December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

You're Fired!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor, Just kidding. Say hi to Jim Bell and Tim May for me. (Tell the rest of the CypherPunks I'll be joining UHAUL after my extradition hearing.) {WARNING!!! -- If John Gilmore drops the soap...IT'S NO ACCIDENT!} Toto ~~~~ "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "InfoWar" http://bureau42.base.org/public/infowar3 "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 at 11:27:12 -0500 Bob Hettinga had an epileptic fit induced by excessive pressure in his swollen head and vomited forth: > Tim can make it as "repeatedly clear" as he wants after > the fact. However, he has, on several occasions, made > threats against people with more guns than he has, and, > sooner or later, they're gonna Aw, bullshit, Bob! You were wrong when you started this fuckfest and you're digging yourself deeper and deeper with every post. There was a time when I thought you had a brain and a modicum of common sense, but you've thoroughly disabused me of that fantasy. I once visited your website and thought, "This guy is cool!" Geez, I'm embarrassed to admit that now. You've taken Tim's comments out of context and done yeoman work for the enemy. If (or when) they ever find an excuse to bother him, they won't be showing _his_ posts to the jury -- they'll be showing _yours_, you clueless fuckwit. This is the age of "social convictions," in case you haven't noticed because you've been living in an e-cave. They don't prove cases anymore; they show that you're a "bad actor." It's all done with PR, whether totally in the press or partly in a courtroom. The first piece of paper the feds send out when they attack someone is a press release. The victim often first learns he's in trouble when the reporters call. > ...lucidity, but who has gotten increasingly radicalized > and militant at exactly the same time the world is figuring > out that his earlier... Maybe you're too young, child. The world is not figuring things out fast enough or on a large enough scale to offset the accelerating advance of the state. Tim has been around long enough to have figured out that the statists have pissed away his entire lifetime making him wait for things to get "figured out." You have no respect for your elders, who have gotten bored over more things than you have yet learned. You should be spanked and made to sit in the corner until you can behave. > It's almost as if Tim keeps trying to top himself, with > some newer and more grandiose claim about the impending > collapse of the world as we know it. It just ain't so. > The world don't work that way. Tell that to the Athenians and hundreds if not thousands of groups since who have been surprised when their worlds collapsed. Tell that to the Austrians and Germans of the 1920's. Tell that to the piles of bones in Cambodia. You suffer from the subjectivity of youth. You think that the universe revolves around your time and space and that those are unique in human experience. You're wrong. The times into which we are headed have every promise of being the very most "interesting" in human history. I for one won't feel a bit compensated by your future whines that you "wuz wrong!" If you had two brain cells to rub together you would have taken your lumps in Tim's first brushoff and shut up. He's got a right to his position and you haven't got shit. What you will have is a place in someone's black book if it turns out that your characterizations of Tim's posts ever turn out to be fuel for the enemy's meatgrinder. Ignorance, even stupidity, are pardonable if not too tightly connected to the motor mouth. You should consider that the damage you may do could far exceed the value of whatever pride it is that impels you to continue to articulate the government's ideal (and fatuous) arguments in this matter. > And, Monty, here's another fact: the world isn't going to > end on Thanksgiving Day, much less at the beginning of the > millennium. Only a complete fool would be that sure. > Armed storm troopers are probably *not* going to decend > on the denizens of this list and haul them off to newly > built gulags in the Rockies somewhere, or whatever the > current fantasy of the moment is. Really, if you just stopped and thought about it a moment, there are only a very few regular posters to the list. All of them could be hauled off without making a ripple. We are meanwhile playing war footsie with Iraq after having spent the better part of five years doing Clinton's best to disable, demoralize, cripple, and mismanage the military. We're a few press conferences away from being in way over our heads with a left-wing android in charge. Is this your picture of stable times and a secure Constitution? Do you seriously doubt that there are people in the Administration, at least in the bureaucracy, who wouldn't like to be able to make a few gratuitous PR linkages in a national emergency and have an excuse to get rid of the C-P annoyance once and for all? Did you miss entirely the personal destruction wreaked on Jim Bell _without_ a national emergency? Would you be utterly shocked to learn some day soon that you, too, have ordered odd chemicals from someplace or other over the last few years? Hey! It could _happen_! > However, to say that they're coming to take us all away > on Thanksgiving, or anytime soon, is more than a little > paranoid, and, No, Grasshopper, it is just a _little_ paranoid to suggest that it might be a possibility. You're putting words in Tim's mouth again. You can probably assume that if Tim were really convinced that that were going to happen, they would find only an inflatable Tim sitting in front of a 'puter relaying email through an indirect dial link. Or something like that. He's just concerned. I'm concerned. Anyone with a brain above room temperature is concerned. Ugly things are in the wind. > to attempt to force a confrontation in hopes of > preciptating a revolution, or even gratuitous publicity Why, Grasshopper! He's done no such thing and you well know it. You are the one making such characterizations (as if any of us needed that). Had I the time and the interest, I would check what archives there are to see if you did the same favor for Jim Bell. Fuckwit! Well, there's more, but your time's up. See you in the camps. We Jurgar Din

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Re: FCPUNX:Tim plans to kill a federal judge
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- James Donald wrote: >At 06:10 PM 11/14/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >> By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who >> has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, >> I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. > >Probably because Heidegger *was* a Nazi, who pranced around in full drag >Nazi uniform and sent certain of his colleagues to the concentration camps. > >To very crudely oversimplify the relationship between Heideggers >philosophy and Nazism, it goes like this. > >No objective, only the intersubjective, therefore the community >defines reality, therefore truth is merely relative to the community. > >Yeah, I know it is more complex than that, but it still boils down >to debates being resolved by hanging people from the ceiling with >piano wire rather than by appeal to the external world. You are doing something slightly different from people who respond to a point with "Heideggar? That Nazi!" The people who do this are short circuiting the discussion instead of showing how the point made is in error. In a sense, they are not discussing an idea, but the group affiliations of each speaker. I find that the ideas are more interesting. (Although, if one were interested in Heideggar, his biography would probably be interesting, too.) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHNYfJaWtjSmRH/5AQHHQgf+P4JzdjyftjxLeMONc6BnT+++TO1CDJ9B 2KKQfPwC1nW5vM1eY+Yl1HPK577GYkCWaV1xPfiJ+zNBqgjr3p4vtWJU8RrBGs4Y xHy+4v/r2xSCBaPcBx5/0qqJkWMLr+zntusDfevJOviDcuozXj6uOJfWmg1bTrKz l/qoKTVVVfeNIHYYjWm+BfuNVsar0P5bOx2U6N/FkglK1XZEC+3q4/ibCjhjXCAm TFYuvO1tBlT0DAvjAcjv9m1drISNYVT2SsY4buOqb8CFkegBL9fUDcdPBt7x07rr 9Oe4AVFi17T9x6mP6evdz2ILffC2G8DhPK0Gqqhzlm8bxGcy8Dgq6Q== =ZwGc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Does anybody know ?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know hypo-cypher algorithm ? Symmetric cipher : BATON , JUNIPER Public key cipher : KEA , MAYFLY If anybody know it, Please tell it to me. Thanks

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Free start up kit
by Theresa Lowery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please send me a free start up kit my name and address follows Robert Lowery 1943 Hwy 472 Winnfield, LA 71483 My E-Mail address is tlowery(a)iamerica.net Thank you Robert

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Overcoming War with Information
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(No Subject)
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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SMTP forgeries
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is the state of the art with SMTP mail forgeries? It seems that the forwarding SMTP agent can determine the senders IP address. I am wondering if this could be prevented by using IP level spoofing to put fake return IP address on the TCP/IP connection to the receiving mail hubs SMTP port, in that the sender does not really need the information the SMTP hup sends back. This would then be a variant of the IP spoof attack. What would be needed would be a site which blindly accepted the one sided traffic from the receiving SMTP hub where it thought it was replying to the traffic. eg. Sender says: HELO nsa.gov 250 locahost Hello locahost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you The sendmail seems to be trying to be clever doing a reverse name lookup, and ignoring what you tell it on the HELO line. The 250 reply is not required by the sender. MAIL FROM: nobody(a)nsa.gov 250 nobody(a)nsa.gov... Sender ok RCPT TO: joe(a)acme.com 250 joe(a)acme.com... Recipient ok DATA 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself asdfasdfasdf

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