December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nerthus wrote: >>It makes nice rhetoric, but this is simply not true, you know. Most >>people correctly evaluate that you have no chance for freedom at all >>if you commit suicide, whereas a slave *does* have a chance. > >Assuming he recognizes that he *is* a slave. Most people are >oblivious to this fact. >>(By "irrational" here I am referring to behaviour clearly contrary >>to your own survival.) > >'Tis true. War is a perfect example of what happens when too many >people act irrationally. > >I'm interested in avoiding war without becoming a slave in the >process. Anyone else? Sounds like a good deal. However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is the elimination of freedom and privacy. It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first become enslaved. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHEGF5aWtjSmRH/5AQFW2Qf/QoOWdyolTt1IxVUT5Nsa0qD4yog0JIK2 rPuBADWMCNtXh5ZilKdsCGz3Jmg7z5zgLQhvZS7vTLrLwEyPl/bNgai2el2ITUKX gH95qAEyHxZRqSuKEduhCK1sa6gCK+nXxKutpt2QhzGRhU7cSHMcyK/hPAX22jjC OWJib0w1pXKKpLQTHHI2Ec1HBJtzURc6HUU7GmDV7ntdAk37UvPUOQqA8470a8s3 TiGmjVKXljCXXfpA1udF8pPfloXOVn/ff4AxW8rjCJCUFqme3uPXDeaki2Ht5qn8 pnlAqA9A3dD4AotNWPnKGNl62FiJSjK3PrzzG3zxwYGqadgpt9d7Qw== =Pbt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Overcoming War with Information
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin writes: > What the Net and cypherpunkly tools create is a world in which there > are not easily identified disjoint sets because any particular net of > relationships that a person has tends to overlap the relationship nets > of other people who have a dissimilar set of relationships. > > This is a more reliable and robust world to live in because there is a > great deal of redundancy. That is, the elites of two countries cannot > conspire to use their respective sets of serfs as cannon fodder in > some ill advised adventure. It's hard to get excited about a war run > by people who are not your friends against people who happen to live > in another part of the world but with whom you have a relationship. Good point, but it's important to realize that these new attitudes are only available to people who have access to the tools. Much of the world is still trapped in a dark age, without access to the light brought by tools for communication. Powerful interests seek to keep them that way. Until that changes, the old mindset of us-against-them will continue to be a threat to peace. We as cypherpunks must be leaders in encouraging wider access to communications and the tools which manage information. It's not right to target our message narrowly to the militias and racists who gravitate towards anti-government causes. We must be inclusive, offering encouragement to other cultures, other races, other countries. Anti-Japanese, anti-Jewish, anti-Black, anti-Arab sentiments will only hinder our success, and likewise with our emphasis on violence, killing, and death as solutions to problems. The fact that other cultures are often repressive in their own right is no excuse. The tools we offer will help them become more open-minded and inclusive. But we must set an example ourselves. It is a tragedy that the message of hate is being propagated within a technological movement which should foster openness and enlightenment. We can do better than this.

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OECD on E-Commerce Tax
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer an HTML version of OECD's paper: "Electronic Commerce: The Challenges to Tax Authorities and Taxpayers" An Informal Round Table Discussion between Business and Government To be held at the Marina Palace Hotel, in Turku, Finland on Tuesday 18th November 1997 http://jya.com/turku18.htm (122K) This is part of the documentation for a three-day conference on "Dismantling the Barriers to Global Electronic Commerce," November 19-21, Turku, Finland, sponsored by the Government of Finland and OECD, with help of the European Commission, Japan and BIAC, described at: http://www.oecd.org/dsti/iccp/e-comm/dismantl.htm

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obPoliticalIncorrect
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ICC on E-Commerce
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jyri Kaljundi wrote: >There were some reports released lately by the International Chamber of >Commerce (http://www.iccwbo.org/) also. These were in connection with >World Business Agenda for Electronic Commerce conference some days ago in >Paris. Most of the materials seemed to be there on the web. Yes, and good reports they are. We've mirrored one of them: "Guide to International Digitally Ensured Commerce": http://jya.com/guidec2.htm (130K)

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Overcoming prejudice
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Former Klan hotbed elects first black mayor November 16, 1997 STONE MOUNTAIN, Georgia (AP) -- By the light of a blazing cross, the Ku Klux Klan proclaimed its 20th century rebirth on the granite mountain that gives the town its name. For decades, white-hooded Klansmen flocked here for annual gatherings, and Confederate heroes are sculpted into the side of the mountain. Today, the mayor's office once held by an imperial wizard of the Klan is about to be filled by a black man, who also lives in the former KKK leader's house. Elected with biracial support, Chuck Burris is more concerned about getting new sidewalks and more police than with Stone Mountain's old image of racial division. Burris, a city councilman, defeated a six-year incumbent in the November 4 election and will lead a black majority City Council in January. Campaign didn't focus on race <snip> 'We wanted the best-qualified candidate' <snip> New mayor lives in house that belonged to Klan wizard --- >From cnn.com. If the birthplace of the KKK can rise above its racial prejudice, is it too much to ask the same of ourselves?

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: KC is an Idiot
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:09 AM 11/17/97 -0800, Kent Crispin wrote: >You quite clearly don't know what you are talking about, little boy. >My Dad got me my first gun when I was around 8, 40 some years ago. By >the time I was your emotional age (12) I knew that guns weren't toys. Well, you got the edge on me there; I got my first when I was 12, but my dad let me shoot his .357 Magnum when I was 7. I recall a period of time when some punks were following me around because I had ratted on one of their friends. I got tired of it, got a B-27 silhouette target, and shot out the X-ring with my Para-Ordnance P10.45. I nailed the used target to my front door, and started wearing a fanny pack, and it was amazing how the punk sightings diminished dramatically. I never even had to draw my gun--all I had to do was convince them I carried one and was willing to use it effectively if necessary. Of course, if you would rather be shot than live with the consequences of shooting someone that is your choice. But saying that having a gun wouldn't make a difference is pretty ignorant--it can make a HUGE difference IF you are willing to use it--and pay attention to your surroundings such that you have the gun in hand before you are in the middle of a circle of assholes with drawn weapons. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHET0vVLt662DSXhAQE/CAf/Z7rhFGFLS6VFHuXP3/V+LATUh4Syf7Ge g+Fg1FFwf2iV3upBwae7sVTmkv1oQiCYOSo07+Sjl3ot+SsvztztCvFqnUjpFiMg AzQbyG8oKaeyv9qZyvMWTveJz2GkoqFX0MFnRz5ABpqmDS159hCxvs62dMzuo9+X 0mXZA4KLMoXsxiBBKGpwDJr8llcb6eQfaIw1FthZ+lzxrgVFDIl3O5/XyzfH+UPP 4CFf109B+knFIcpAIdQiS9ZQoNZcWTX247kqOm244fk76gluAGy0skT9l1FMCvbG 8LrlKvyO0ZWR39q6fDSPyoD+/os5/9B7oPY7vK71KkwRe3XtiNjneA== =sgBM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anybody remember when people still used the term "ObCrypto" in their posts? That was back when the list still meant something about crypto and freedom, before it became dedicated to racial hatred. I understand that the catchphrase de rigeur is now "ObJapBashing".

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