December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Is Tim May guilty of illegally advocating revolution?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There's a fallacy which is quite common on this list, especially among members whose positions are otherwise indefensible. It's surprising in a way because this fallacy is more common among statists. There, the fallacy goes like this: if it is immoral, then it must be illegal. We see this all the time. People think of the government as their way of expressing moral values. Drugs are wrong, so they must be made illegal. Discrimination in employment is wrong, so it also must be illegal. We have countless bad laws based on this false premise. On this list we see the same fallacy, turned around: if it is legal, it must be moral. Someone is attacked for posting some vicious, hateful, immoral rant, and they respond that what they said was legal, because of freedom of speech and the First Amendment. Their critic must be opposed to free speech if he objects to their words. Confusing what is legal and what is moral is a dangerous game. It leads to the false reasoning of the statists. We must remember that there is a clear distinction between morality and legality. We all agree with freedom of speech. People should be able to say whatever they like without fear of legal consequences. Cypherpunk technologies can play a major part in assuring this freedom. But this does not mean that all speech is equally valid. If someone calls for murder and they are attacked for it, it does no good for them to hide behind the First Amendment. Their words are wrong - they will have harmful consequences if followed. They cheapen life, and work against the goals we share of a future based on cooperation rather than cooercion. Cypherpunks are intelligent enough not to be fooled by this attempt to use the principle of free speech to justify calls for violence and murder. It's no wonder, really, that people like May and Vulis attempt to confuse the issue by pretending that their critics are opposed to freedom of speech. They know that if they are judged by their own words, their character is revealed for all to see. Any smokescreen is welcome if it helps conceal their vicious, hateful nature.

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Panel names released for Bernstein hrg on 12/8
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just spoke with someone in the clerk's office at the Ninth Circuit - the composition of the panel of judges for next Monday's hearing in the Bernstein case has been released. The judges are Bright, Fletcher, and (Thomas) Nelson. I haven't been able to find information about Judge Bright, but found pages of (meager) ratings/discussion about Fletcher and Nelson at: <http://www.appellate-counsellor.com/profiles/fletchb.htm> and <http://www.appellate-counsellor.com/profiles/nelsontg.htm> I think that Judge Bright may be Myron H. Bright, a senior justice on the 8th Circuit, who sometimes sits on 9th circuit cases by designation. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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PGP bought by McAfee
by steve 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>"Network Associates, Inc. >(Nasdaq: NETA, commencing Dec. 2), formerly McAfee Associates >(Nasdaq: MCAF), announced today that it has a signed a definitive >agreement to acquire privately-held Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. (PGP)." Varous Questions, comments rants, etc.: Does anyone know how this will affect PGP's: security, commitment to no-GAK, Founder (P. Zimmerman), the continuation of the PGP product line? I heard that McAfee's PCCrypto product will still be sold by NETA as a retail product, (are they considering incorperating the 2 together and just using PGP's team for R&D?) steve -- A picture tells a thousand words. Stego

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California
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Fwd: Japs and the UN
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PGP bought by McAfee (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Identities removed to protect the innocent] Forwarded message: > >Does anyone know how this will affect PGP's: > >security, commitment to no-GAK, Founder (P. Zimmerman), the continuation > >of the PGP product line? > > > >I heard that McAfee's PCCrypto product will still be sold by NETA as a > >retail product, (are they considering > >incorperating the 2 together and just using PGP's team for R&D?) > > > Even more basic questions: Will NETA release source code? Will they > continue to develop freeware versions of PGP? What conections does NETA > have to S/MIME? What happens to licensing of things like PGPsdk and the > freeware versions of PGP? Will PGP be seen as a "dead-end" product by > potential new users. What will happen to Open-PGP email encryption > standard? > > This is not good. What's the matter? Finding a free market economy monopolize right in front of your eyes just a tad uncomfortable? Cyber-anarchy in action... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Cypherpunks, PGP Buyout, & Writing Code...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perhaps the buy-out of PGP is a good thing. Consider that now there is a clear and present motive for Cypherpunks to start writing the next wave of world-class crypto...it really is the *only* shure way that the process doesn't get subverted...we're no longer able to rely on a single commen source of crypto tools. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: More Government Sanctioned Theft
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:16 PM -0700 12/1/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >[This message has also been posted.] >In ok.general, Jerry Morgan <jmorgan(a)galstar.com> wrote: >* easttom(a)redriverok.com (Chuck Easttom) wrote: >* > 2. What the hell legit reason is there for a man to be driving >around with >* >132 K in a truck?? >* > >* >* The simple possession of any amount of money is not subject to "police >* approval", unless of course we are living in a police state. >* >* As I understand the "story" the police stopped the guy, searched the >* car, found the money, seized it and then let the guy go without >* charging him with anything. A nice cool 132K profit for a few minutes >* work, just like an armed robbery. It would appear that this "cops and >* robbers scenario" has the cops playing both roles.S This is becoming all too common (cf. online reports, and some good t.v. investigative shows which detailed how this shakedown operation works in many states). As to the question above, "2. What the hell legit reason is there for a man to be driving around with * >132 K in a truck??," this shows the dire state we are in today. After all, what the hell business is it of government/police to tell a person what they may do with their money? If I want to push my money around in a wheel barrow, it may be stupid, but if cops seize it then they are just thieves, plain and simple. (Arguments that the money "must have" been stolen, or to be used for an illegal transaction, or whatever, are meaningless. Unless the money can be shown to be stolen, or unless the person being stopped is actually shown to be in an illegal transaction (not that I support such laws, mind you), the cops can do nothing.) However, cash is on the way toward being outlawed. De facto, if not de jure. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Kashpureff stuff online
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone know of any low S/N lists out there for "Crackerpunks"?? > > > So what did Kashpureff do? Who is Kashpureff? Is he the guy at > > Alternic who did some advanced DNS hacking to get Internic DNS root to > > point to him? Or something else? > > Yup, that's him. > > IIRC, he exploited Bind's failure to check input in certain cases: > He set his DNS server to be the delegating authority for .com, > say; then sent a recursive query to his victim's DNS server to get > the victim to query _his_ server; his server mixed the bogus info > into its response to the query, thus poisoning the victim's DNS. > > Cypherpunks write code. > Crackerpunks read code. > > > > > Ng Pheng Siong > <ngpsstoi(a)pacific.net.sg> >

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