December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [cpe:4985] State Department Advisory Group
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: > > I'm surprised they don't want a sperm sample, too. > --- begin forwarded text > To expedite admission for those of you wishing to attend, please provide > your name, affiliation, address, telephone number, date of birth and social > security number by close of business, Wednesday, December 10. Joe Smith, Joe Smith Organization, 123 Joe Smith drive, Smithville, JS, (JOE) JOE-SMITH, JO/ES/MITH, JOE-SMITH-JS, <squirt-squirt>.

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Further Costs of War
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A few more comments on World War II. Had World War II been prevented, along with deaths of 50 million or so people, we would also have been spared (in the United States) income tax withholding. Previously the only people paying income tax were fairly wealthy and there was no withholding. I doubt very much that income tax withholding would have been accepted if the War were not used to justify it. ("You don't want to pay taxes? What are you, a traitor?") Without income tax withholding, it would have been hard to get to the point where we are now. The U.S. Federal government consumes about 40% of the GDP. When the resources aren't wasted outright, they are used to perpetrate evil in the world. To put this in perspective, multiply your income by 1.4. For example, if your income is $50,000, that would be another $20,000 you would have every single year. Where could you spend that money? If you simply saved it at 3% a year, in 30 years you would have about $950,000. That's all for doing exactly what you do now. Who needs national health insurance? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHX525aWtjSmRH/5AQF3TQf+LWjfFPOsg3oOk2B00v9gFCiQumz7ZELg o+JFTi9sepLrhAnA7GdsnzPU2yPmJ5Q9w0j08AaBCEb29a7FNt/xX18V2XUGav9J KWVK1CTDTLBeC1iX8rUhnqhidV/pIZjIg860LllEg7T8jdQfwaaz+EeoH/egod6f C2Nd8D9wFlyGGxh992stC5/aicxTxwzVX9UgAox5iwdQIE0WEFRj+KAoBAfd+v6t BQ0qhLVpHmGKRnLO4I2IYXBwzIvzRtOcYAGcy7A/k/XbVSvKs9I7vHMhJAFUDqWw RECgxQKtKy1DK1S/xOed5oW/m52YvvIez2NDLsYoGAVeCuLNJja5Xw== =xefg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Good recent books on encryption, privacy, etc.?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: ddfr(a)shell9.ba.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:39:58 -0800 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: david friedman <ddfr(a)BEST.COM> Subject: Good recent books on encryption, privacy, etc.? To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM I am getting ready to teach my seminar on Computers, Crime and Privacy again, and wondering if there is something new that I should substitute for _Building in Big Brother_. Are there any recent books that have a reasonably accessible treatment of encryption, the controversy over regulation, etc.? For that matter, are there any good recent books on computer crime? I may end up simply substituting in a lot of URL's, but I thought it was probably worth including some old technology as well, if available. David Friedman Professor of Law Santa Clara University ddfr(a)best.com http://www.best.com/~ddfr/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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[Fwd: [cpe:4980] Factoring a 2048 bit key]
by Electronic Forgery Foundation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Hettinga, The Electronic Forgery Foundation's legal counsel informs us that, as hypocrites, we have a right to sue you for elevation of character for forging posts in our name (even if we did it ourselves when we were drunk and later forgot about it). If our legal counsel confirms this opinion once she sobers up, you can expect to hear from us upon her graduation from law school. (She is currently in Grade Six, so there is no rush for you to consult your own attorney on this matter.) Insincerely, Jess Fission Robert Hettinga Alternate Persona Appointee, Electronic Forgery Foundation Subject: [cpe:4980] Factoring a 2048 bit key From: Robert Hettinga <eff(a)dev.null> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:01:50 -0600 Delivered-To: mailing list cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org Mailing-List: contact cypherpunks-e-help(a)htp.org; run by ezmlm Organization: "Electronic Forgery Foundation" References: <4a1a277e757631dec78e33b98a7bdfcb(a)anon.efga.org> Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Reply-To: eff(a)dev.null Sender: cypherpunks-e-owner(a)htp.org Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Anonymous wrote: > > I factored a 2048 bit key and all I got was > Jerry Springers' "Too Hot for Television" > videocassette and this bumber sticker, > "I Brake For Illegal Immigrants" I factored it and got: > "I want to kill judges." > > - Tim May Go figure...

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What REALLY happened to Flight 800...
by Brian W. Buchanan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Algebra.com is down, so I'm resending this through cyberpass. Gotta love distributed mailing lists. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" <brian(a)smarter.than.nu> To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: What REALLY happened to Flight 800... >From comp.risks: | An article `Windows added to cockpit choices' in Flight International, 5-11 | November 1997, p 25, explains that the US company Avidyne has certificated | an avionics system based on Windows NT. The hardware supplier is Electronic | Designs, who has recently received approval from the FAA (approval for what | is not specified). Avidyne is apparently working on Level-C approval, which | will allow use of its moving-map display for IFR navigation. One of the | benefits is said to be the wide range of interfaces available to other | devices. "Good afternoon, Microsoft technical support." "This is TWA Flight 800. Our avionics system just shit itself! Something about a segmentation violation in the hydrolics interface driver!" "Hmm. Did you try rebooting it?" "Yes, several times! Losing attitude control!" "Hmm. This may require a reinstall of the operating system then. Please hold for a moment while I connect you to one of our reinstallation support technicians." "No! Wait! The center fuel tank's thermostat control dialog is full of random garbage now! *SCREAM* *BOOM*" ... And in today's news, despite a leaked report from the NTSB that it was not "digital sabotage," but a critical bug in Microsoft Windows NT for Avionics that was responsible for the crash of TWA Flight 800, President Clinton has asked Congress to introduce legislation that would enable the FBI to monitor so-called computer hackers more carefully through digital wiretaps and mandatory key escrow, to "save the children from the info-terrorists on the other side of the Bridge to the Twenty-First Century." Microsoft is not commenting at this time, but a source within the company has informed us that a fix for the "center fuel tank bug" will be included in NT for Avionics Service Pack 4, to be released in the first quarter of 1998. -- Brian Buchanan brian(a)smarter.than.nu "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you." No security through obscurity! Demand full source code! 4.4BSD for the masses - http://www.freebsd.org

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HAYEKWEB: M Friedman Interview on Hayek & The Road to Serfdom
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:17:30 -0500 Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Greg Ransom <Gregransom(a)AOL.COM> Subject: HAYEKWEB: M Friedman Interview on Hayek & The Road to Serfdom To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >> Hayek on the Web << C-SPAN 'Booknotes' Interview with Milton Friedman on Friedrich Hayek and his _The Road to Serfdom_. On the Web at: http://www.c-span.org/mmedia/booknote/lambbook/transcripts/50060.htm Excerpt: "Booknotes Transcript Author: Milton Friedman Title: Introduction to F. A. Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" Air date: November 20, 1994 BRIAN LAMB: Dr. Milton Friedman, why did you choose or why did they ask you to write the introduction to the F. A. Hayek "Road to Freedom" 50th anniversary ... MILTON FRIEDMAN: ""Road to Serfdom"." LAMB: Yes, that's your title on your book. Why did you do it? FRIEDMAN: The reason they asked me was very clear, because Hayek and I had been associated for a very long time, in particular in an organization called the Montbelleron Society that he founded. The charter meeting was in 1947 in Switzerland. Hans Morgenthau, who was a professor at the University of Chicago when I was there, a political scientist, when I came back from the meeting, he asked me where I had been, and I told him that I had been to a meeting that had been called by Hayek to try to bring together the believers in a free, open society and enable them to have some interchange, one with another. He said, "Oh, a meeting of the veterans of the wars of the 19th century!" I thought that was a wonderful description of the Montpelleron Society. Well, Hayek and I worked together in the Montpelleron Society and we were fostering essentially the same set of ideas. His "Road to Serfdom" book, the one you have there, which was published 50 years ago, was really an amazing event when it came out. It's very hard to remember now what the attitude was in 1944-45. Throughout the Western world, the movement was toward centralization, planning, government control. That movement had started already before World War II. It started really with the Fabian Society back in the late 19th century -- George Bernard Shaw, the Webbs and so on. But the war itself and the fact that in war you do have to have an enormous amount of government control greatly strengthened the idea that after the war what you needed was to have a rational, planned, organized, centralized society and that you had to get rid of the wastes of competition. That was the atmosphere. Those of us who didn't agree believed in what we would call a liberal society, a free society -- 19th century liberalism. There were quite a number of us in the United States and in Britain, but in the rest of the world they were very isolated, indeed. Hayek's idea was to bring them together and enable them to get comfort and encouragement from one another without having to look around to see who was trying to stab them in the back, which was the situation in their home countries. LAMB: The New York Times put on the Op-Ed page your introduction to this edition. Do you know why they did that? What got their attention? FRIEDMAN: I can't answer that. You'd have to ask the people at the New York Times. On the whole, they have in the past not been very favorable to these ideas -- quite the contrary -- but they've been changing. About two or three years ago, they published -- they've turned down many an Op-Ed piece from me, which I subsequently published in the Wall Street Journal or somewhere else. But a couple of years ago, they did publish an Op-Ed piece from me about the situation after the fall of the Berlin Wall, in which my thesis was a very simple one. Everybody agrees, as a result of the experience in the West, that socialism has been a failure. Everybody agrees that capitalism has been a success, that wherever you have had an improvement in the conditions of the ordinary people over any lengthy time, it's been in a capitalist society, and yet everybody is extending socialism. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, there were no summits in Washington about how we cut down government. The lesson from the fall of the Berlin Wall was that we have too extensive a government and we ought to cut it down. Everybody agrees, but yet wherever you go, we have to extend socialism. The summit in Washington was about how you enable government to get more revenue in order for government to be more important, which is exactly the opposite. So socialism guides our behavior in strict contrast to what we believe to be the facts of the world. LAMB: Let me ask you a little bit more about Friedrich Hayek. Who was he? FRIEDMAN: Fritz Hayek was an economist. He was born in Vienna. He started his professional career in Vienna. In the late 1920s, some people in Britain at the London School of Economics were very greatly impressed with the book he had written and with the work he had done, and they invited him to come to the London School. At a relatively young age, he became a professor at the London School of Economics. He spent the 30s and most of the 40s there. Early in the 1950s, he left London and came to the University of Chicago where he was a professor for about 10 years, and then he went back to Germany. He essentially retired to the University of Freiberg in Germany. LAMB: How long has he been dead? FRIEDMAN: He's been dead about two years now, I think. He lived to be 90, and he has an enormous list of books and articles and so on he has published. The "Road to Serfdom," the one we're showing here, was a sort of manifesto and a call to arms to prevent the accumulation of a totalitarian state. One of the interesting things about that book is whom it's dedicated to. It's dedicated "to the socialists of all parties," because the thesis of the book is that socialism is paving the way toward totalitarianism and that Socialist Russia, at the time, is not different from Nazi Germany. Indeed, it was National Socialism -- that's where "nazi" comes from. This was a kind of manifesto and had a very unexpected effect. It was turned down by several publishers in the United States before the University of Chicago published it, and both in Britain and the United States, it created something of a sensation. It was a best-seller. The Reader's Digest published a condensation of it and distributed 600,000 copies. You had a big argument raising about people who were damning it as reactionary against all the good things of the world and people who were praising it and showing what the real status was. It's a book well worth reading by anybody because there's a very subtle analysis of why it is that well-meaning people who intend only to improve the lot of their fellows tend to favor courses of action which have exactly the opposite effect. I think from my point of view the most interesting chapter in that book is one labeled "Why the Worst Get on Top." It's, in a way, another example of the famous statement of Lord Acton that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Hayek on the Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III, well known Nativist (if not Native) American, writes: > In <199711192035.VAA20768(a)basement.replay.com>, on 11/19/97 > at 09:35 PM, Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> said: > > >Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, > >make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their > >access to government services. > > Yes and 4 out of 5 doctors in an independent study prefer Buffren. Would > you care to back this up with some actual facts. >From the Cato Institute, a well known libertarian think tank, http://www.cato.org/dailys/4-22-97.html: > Myth number four: Immigrants impose a financial burden on > taxpayers. Immigrants do make somewhat heavier use of means-tested welfare > programs than natives. There have been especially flagrant abuses by > immigrants of particular welfare programs, such as Supplemental Security > Income. But because immigrants tend to come to the United States during > the start of their working years --between the ages of 18 and 35 -- > they make very large net contributions to the two largest income transfer > programs: Social Security and Medicare. When the payroll tax contributions > of immigrants are taken into account, the Urban Institute found that the > foreign born constitute a net fiscal windfall to the public sector of > some $20 billion a year. To the extent that welfare use by immigrants is > a problem, this can be addressed by restricting the welfare eligibility > of immigrants, not by keeping immigrants out. More details can be found by searching for "immigration" on www.cato.org.

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Re: Alternative Apology
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

igor said: >I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. > >Igor Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. doormouse

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Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

reuters Florida State News Reuters 20-NOV-97 (TAMPA) -- Federal marshals and local deputies have shut down three Tampa area ``pirate'' radio stations, silencing unlicensed sources of rock music and far-right ideology. Authorities carted off broadcast and studio equipment from all three stations and dismantled a rooftop antenna that stood over one broadcaster's home. One of the stations was operated by 53-year-old Arthur Kobres, who is named in a 14- count indictment alleging violations of national broadcasting laws. Authorities say Kobres used his equipment to broadcast anti-government messages. Also silenced was ``Tampa's Party Pirate,'' a 100-watt F-M station run by Doug Brewer. A third operator who was shut down... 22-year-old Kelly Benjamin... was also arrested for possession of marijuana.

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The 4th Great Awakening
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Read "Speed" by William Burroughs.

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