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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was a dark and misty night.

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Deliverable Mail
by 89726768＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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I Broke PGP!!!
by Jon Callas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Secure envelopes
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The only `culture' Timmy May possesses is that cultivated from his foreskin scrapings. \|/ (*,*) Timmy May _m_-_m_

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathan Wienke wrote: >that socialist cesspool New York City. This is true, NYC is an SC. My pinko nose is barely above the surface, for it's a hump treading the globe's shipped in effluvia with concrete boots made of the NIMBYs' unpaid share. And you never get used to it, for sure the waves caused by tens of thousands of NIMBYs cannonballing in for X-rated sin lacking IMBY.

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Re: Orthogonality and Disaster Recovery (fwd)
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: kent(a)bywater.songbird.com > On Sat, Oct 25, 1997 at 04:28:52PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > Any idea how a term meaning 'at right angles' came to hold all the various > > interpretations it now does?... > > > > I see this word in a lot of my reading and it almost never implies any sort > > of 'indipendent multi-variant reference system'. > I can't believe that you haven't studied vector spaces, Jim. In that > particular niche of mathematics, the meaning you quote is precisely the > meaning of 'orthogonal'. Vector algebra underlies a very large part > of mathematics, and modern physics would not exist without it. I believe that is Jim's point. The dictionary definition and "one task, one tool" seem to have quite a gap between them. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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Flag ban in Mississippi [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > FLAG BAN TUGS ON OLE MISS TRADITIONS > > Students wave Confederate flags > > Confederate banner impedes athletic recruiting > > October 25, 1997 > Web posted at: 10:44 p.m. EDT (0244 GMT) > > From Correspondent Brian Cabell > > OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) -- On any given football Saturday, when > the Ole Miss Rebels find the end zone and the crowd explodes, you > can see Confederate flags being waved. > > But there are not nearly as many rebel flags as in years past -- and > there will soon be even fewer if the University of Mississippi's > chancellor has his way. > > This week, chancellor Robert Khayat ordered a ban on all sticks at > athletic events, starting next week. It's ostensibly for safety > reasons, but no one is fooled -- it is clearly an attempt to keep > out the Confederate flags attached to those sticks. CNN's Brian > Cabell reports > icon 2 min., 1 sec. VXtreme streaming video > > At Ole Miss, tradition is grudgingly giving way to the political and > social reality that the rebel flag is perceived by some people, > particularly African Americans, as a racist symbol. > > "We're tired of the attention, the negative publicity that we're > getting," said athletic director Pete Boone. "I mean, we've got a > great university here, a great academic program, and we're being > held back from a national perspective because of this Confederate > flag." > > Saturday's football game against Alabama was the first since Khayat > ordered the ban. And while the student senate this week also > recommended that the rebel flags be left home, they were > particularly visible in the student section. > > "Other people can do things and wave things and it's fine, but if we > do it, it seems like it's racist," complained one student. "But it's > not racist. We're proud of our Southern heritage." > > Ironically, many of those who have forsaken the flag are older Ole > Miss fans, who express fears about what the Confederate flag in the > stands does to the quality of the team on the field. > > Indeed, Ole Miss football coach Tommy Tuberville has told fans that > the university is losing black recruits because of the flag. He says > he's gratified that flags are disappearing. > > "I'm proud of our students and our fans, and I think they understand > the situation," he said. "Hopefully, we can continue to make > progress."

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G7 to meet in Amazon [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > G7 TO MEET IN AMAZON TO REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM > > G7 graphic October 25, 1997 > Web posted at: 8:03 p.m. EDT (0003 GMT) > > BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) -- Brazil and the Group of Seven > industrialized nations meet in the Amazonian capital of Manaus next > week to agree on the next stage of a program promoting sustainable > development in the rain forest. > > The annual meeting of G7 donors to the so-called Pilot Program > (G7-PP), administered by the World Bank, begins formally on Tuesday, > with Monday dedicated to presentations by Brazilian government > officials of projects in the Amazon. > > "When we speak of the future, that means completing and > consolidating current projects and thinking about Phase Two of the > G7-PP," Brazilian Environment Minister Gustavo Krause said. > > Starting six years ago, the program has given out $181.3 million of > a total of $250 million pledged to fund projects such as the > demarcation of Indian reserves and protecting fishing communities > from large-scale competitors. > > The rest is budgeted, one of the aims of the three-day meeting will > be to identify new sources of money and coax fresh funds out of the > participants -- Germany, the United States, the European Union, > Japan, Italy, the Netherlands, Britain and Canada. > > Germany has financed the bulk of projects, contributing 35 percent > of the total and even more as the principal economic power in the > European Union. > > The United States, despite spending pledges made by President > Clinton on a visit to Brazil earlier this month, lags in fourth > place, behind the EU and Japan. > > Environmental pressure groups said the most important aspect of the > meeting is a proposal to establish zones in the gigantic Amazon > river basin. Map of Brazil > > They say Pilot Program managers are resigned to the fact Brazil will > pursue large-scale infrastructure projects in the rain forest, > including paving a road from Manaus to Venezuela and river-widening > projects to boost soybean exports. > > "It seems important that the realities of the Amazon region and of > its political weight and significance must be taken into account if > effective conservation of at least a good part of the Amazon are to > be achieved," the World Bank's Rain Forest Unit said in a memo. > > The infrastructure projects basically correspond to what the bank > calls "development corridors" where the "objective is to increase > and geographically concentrate economic activity." > > Such corridors would be counter-balanced by "conservation corridors" > where biodiversity would be protected. > > In between, in so-called inter-corridor spaces, the Rain Forest Unit > suggests policies should make sure economic activity that preserves > as much of the forest as possible becomes more attractive than > clearing land for agriculture. > > A concrete task set by the officials meeting in Manaus is to decide > when Phase Two of the program will begin. > > They must also decide what type of transition is needed to blend > Phase One projects into a broader, cohesive program that fits into > the Brazilian government's plans for the region. > > Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

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Orthogonal
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I believe the first definition for orthogonal is not the vector or Cartesian definition but rather from geometry. Where, for example, polygonal means a closed shape made up from many line segments, orthogonal means a closed shape made from line segments at right angles to each other. The simplest being the square. DeCarte used the concept of ortho- to describe the relationship between the axis of his measurement system, hence orthogonal. Strictly speaking orthogonal is a misnomer and should be orthometric or 'measurements at right angles'. I am interested in how orthogonal obtained its variety of other meanings. I run across it in linguistics, computer science, philosophy, etc. In most of them it means some sort of pure or simple relationship. Unfortunately I can't find any sort of description of how it got expanded this way. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:anon@anon.efga.org (Monty Cantsin) to Harka <=- In> The government is not Janice's friend. It takes away $18,000 In> from her each year and plunges her into poverty, sort of. If In> you are appealing to the government to assist Janice, first In> ask it to get the hell out of the way. (I realize you may In> just be saying that Janice's plight is unavoidable, not that In> she should be helped with government money.) Hmm, we all agree, that the government is not somebody to be trusted to be your friend. However, we also know the amount of laws possible to "violate" and the consequences that would have. And one of the worst things you can do is evading taxes. At least when they clamp down on you. Not something, I'd recommend to a mother of four kids (that she really doesn't want to give up to government-so-schill-workers). Jim Choate commented on that already, so I save further words. In> Janice should be baby sitting. Were she to take in 4 kids at In> $500/month, she would make as much as her job and be able to In> watch her own kids during the same time. True in short-term. But after 8 kids have been rummaging around in your apartment every day (even without licence and off-the-books and all that stuff) you can definitely expect to spend a couple of grands on repairs in a matter of a month. In> Telephone: $20/month In> Electricity: $40/month (?) In> Heat: $100/month (?) In> Food: $600/month (generous) In> Goodwill Clothes: $100/month (generous) In> Total: $860/month You obviously don't live in NYC (and don't have kids). It costs her alone six bucks a day just to get to work and back (with public transportation). In> The food is generous because four of the five are kids, the In> oldest only being 12. Kids don't each much. You're confirming my suspicion about not having kids :) In> Of course, there is no law that requires one to live in New In> York City. As a matter of fact there is. At least for her. She's _required_ by the divorce-court to live within a 60-mile-zone of her ex-husband and father of her kids (he's in the City too). For visitation-rights and all that (i.e. she can't move out of state without his approval or be charged with kidnapping, if she does it anyway). A thing applicable to probably hundreds of thousands of people (women mostly) in the US. And that alone limits one's "free choice of employers" quite severely. In> It seems pretty clear that making money was not her top In> priority. It's never been a secret that teachers are not top In> earners. I'm not seeing a description of somebody who really In> tried to make money in a serious way. Talking about freedom at the same time then is an oxymoron and you're confirming my "criticisms about the free market" (Yes Tim, I have re-considered my position without changing my perspective in the end). Capitalism in it's current form does not allow for individual freedom for most people (exceptions apply), because they have to make the money to be free (independent). If that requires doing for years, what you don't want to do (working in computers, although you hate them and all you really want to do is paint and live as an artist but can't afford to, for example), then that means by definition, that freedom has to be given up. At least temporarely and as mentioned before, that can be a _very_ long time for most people (who have been born into the "wrong" families, for example). In> Good for her. It sounds like Janice may have the strength of In> character to turn her situation around. Btw., I'll forward her all of the advice and suggestions everybody gave. Thanks for everybodies effort and consideration of the (for her personal) matter. Also, (violins or not :)) : It was not my primary intention to cause tears of compassion for Janices personal situation (a lot of people on and off the list have a rough time too to get on in life), but to introduce some realism into the discussion of "free choice of employers". Cypherpunks sometimes tend to become somewhat theoretical about things, neglecting the possibility, that it may not apply on a larger (real-life)scale. Pointing such things out I regard as a very important thing to the effectiveness of Cypherpunks-discussions and subsequent influence. The argument of an (for everybody) existing "free choice of employers", for example, should by now be seen as rather relativ, if not completely negated. Further it is a social issue of importance also for Cypherpunks. Obviously we don't want governments "taking care of people", but desire individual freedom, self-determination and independence instead. However, as proven such things are possible in the "free market" only to a limited degree, i.e not applicable by default to everybody, IMHO. Do I have a solution? Honestly, I don't and I wish I had. That doesn't prevent me from seeing (and pointing out) things, that I don't agree with when looking out the window or talking with friends, who are in a very different position than I might be in. If anybody _does_ have a solution, that enables _all_ people (regardless of background) to become truly free and also provides a realistic way to achieve that (for everybody), then I'll be more than happy to listen and to adjust my own perspective. Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. 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