December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Quoting Portions of a Signed Document
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin writes: 01> It would be neat if you could quote people and prove that they signed 02> the particular paragraph quoted without supplying the entire text. Is 03> there a way to do this? (It seems impossible, but so does mental 04> poker.) 05> 06> A crude approach would be to sign every paragraph or line separately, 07> but that's obviously inelegant. 08> 09> Monty Cantsin 10> Editor in Chief 11> Smile Magazine 12> http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html 13> http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm An easy way to do this works only if the quoted paragraph comes from the very end of the text. You can supply the cumulative hash of all the material before the quoted part, then the quotation itself, which goes all the way to the end of the document. From this the hash of the whole document can be calculated, and the signature checked. A more general approach calculates the document hash in a line oriented way. Normally we start at the top and work down through the document to get the hash, which is signed. Instead, we would calculate a hash for each line of the document separately, and then combine them using a tree. In the example above hashes would be calculated for lines 1-13. Call these H1A - H13A. Then second level hashes could be calculated by taking H1A through H13A in pairs: H1B = hash(H1A,H2A) H2B = hash(H3A,H4A) H3B = hash(H5A,H6A) ... H6B = hash(H11A,H12A) H7B = H13A We repeat this until we have one hash for the whole document: H1C = hash(H1B,H2B) H2C = hash(H3B,H4B) H3C = hash(H5B,H6B) H4C = H7B H1D = hash(H1C,H2C) H2D = hash(H3C,H4C) H1E = hash(H1D,H2D) We sign the final hash, H1E. Now you can extract a paragraph, say lines 6 and 7 above. The hashes H6A and H7A can be calculated from this. Supply the other hashes needed to calculate the final hash: H5A, H8A, H1C, H2D, will be enough. This will allow calculating H1E and the signature can be verified. The required number of hashes will generally be logarithmic in the size of the missing part of the document.

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Re: FCPUNX:Internet Casinos
by Sal Denaro 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Steve Schear wrote: > FilterBot V2.11: Originally from cypherpunks/coderpunks/elsewhere > --------------------------------------------------------------- > From : Steve Schear <schear(a)lvdi.net> > Subj : Internet Casinos > Date : Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:09:16 -0800 > Forward? : No > Return : schear(a)lvdi.net > MsgID : <v03102804b091551631d5(a)[208.129.55.202]> > FromList : owner-cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM Thu Nov 13 20:21:47 1997 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > <bold>Internet Casinos Find a Haven in the Caribbean > </bold>Los Angeles Times > ST. JOHN'S, Antigua and Barbuda-None of the 64,000 residents of this > small, three-island Caribbean nation have complained about the latest > international gambling boom to sweep their secretive little piece of > paradise. > > In the past few months alone, more than a dozen casinos have opened > here. But most Antiguans don't even know they exist. > > That's because you can't see them. If you can't see the tables, how do you know the games aren't rigged? And do they offer Wayne Newton over streaming Video? What about free drinks?

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Re: DaBORG
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Panhead <Knucklehead(a)webspan.net> wrote: > Certainly, there must be more than these?: > > I am James T. Kirk of Borg you will be assimil..... ated. > I am John-Boy of Borg. G'night, Hugh! G'night, Lore! G'night, Data! > I am Kira of Borg. Wanna make something out of it??!!!! > I am Kojak of Borg: Who loves to assimilate ya, baby. > I am Ginsu of Borg. You WILL be ASSIMILATED, but wait! That's not all! > I am Hamlet, prince of Borg! Prepare to be. . . or not to be > I am Haskell of Borg. You resist well, Mrs. Cleaver. > I am Lancelot of Borg. Resistance is feudal. > I am Lennon of Borg. Imagine there's no assimilation . . . > I am Madonna of Borg. Resistance turns me on. > I am Mr. Rogers of Borg. Won't you be assimilated with me? > I am Obi Wan of Borg. Killing me is futile. > I am Odo of Borg. No, now I'm a Cylon. No, now I'm a... > I am Opie of Borg. Can I assimilate 'em, Pa? > I am Oprah of Borg. So, why did you assimilate your husband? > I am Quayle of Borg. Speling is irelevante. > I am Ronald Reagan of Borg. Prepare to be ... uh, I don't recall. > I am Rush Limbaugh of Borg. That's a scary thought, eh? > I am Scooby of Borg. Reware roo re arrimirated, Raggy! > I am Skywalker of Borg. So, Ben, what do I do now ? > I am Smiley Face of Borg. Nice days are irrelevant. > I am Smorgas of Borg. You will be marinated. I am Gary Burnore of Borg. Rational debate is futile. Prepare to be assimilated, f*ckhead! *PLONK* --

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Re: Microsoft's compelled speech, compelled marketing
by Glenn Hauman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:40 PM -0500 11/25/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Former NY Times and Newseek reporter David Burnham writes in his book about >the Justice Department: "The record is clear. Political campaign >contributions, personal bribes and other direct and indirect favors have >frequently influenced important Justice Department disions about the >enforcement of law... Virtually every administration has demanded that the >Justice Department bend the law..." Hold it-- are you suggesting that the DOJ is being restrained in going after Microsoft? By who? Best-- Glenn Hauman, BiblioBytes http://www.bb.com/

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Re: Microsoft's compelled speech, compelled marketing
by Christian Goetze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:04 PM 11/25/97 -0500, Glenn Hauman wrote: > >At 12:40 PM -0500 11/25/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >>Former NY Times and Newseek reporter David Burnham writes in his book about >>the Justice Department: "The record is clear. Political campaign >>contributions, personal bribes and other direct and indirect favors have >>frequently influenced important Justice Department disions about the >>enforcement of law... Virtually every administration has demanded that the >>Justice Department bend the law..." > >Hold it-- are you suggesting that the DOJ is being restrained in going >after Microsoft? By who? I suppose that the slant was more like this: either Microsoft pays up and gets a restrained treatment from the DOJ or else... -- cg

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Re: The Policeman Inside
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: >The whole notion of "the policeman inside" is stupid sloganeering. Of >*course* we have a policeman inside -- we have something that tells us >(at least some of us) that murder, theft, and dishonesty are >behaviors to be avoided. We have something that tells us (some of us) >it would be foolish to make a habit of running red lights. "The policeman inside" is neither a conscience nor an instinct towards self-preservation. I'm familiar with the term being used to refer to the internalization of a system of external rules, coupled with a belief in pervasive surveillance and/or the adoption of the viewpoint of an external supervisor, such that one with a "policeman inside" learns to fear punishment at every moment and in every situation. See, for example, Bentham's Panopticon or Foucault's _Discipline & Punish_ for more on the topic. Also, you may note that two of the three terms you used as examples of "wrong" behavior themselves imply judgments and a moral position - "theft" and "murder". Whether or not the taking of a physical thing is "theft" can be a complex question, that has a lot to do with contracts and agreements and socially constructed ideas about property. Similarly, "murder" is (to adopt a broad definition) an unlawful and intentional homicide - which, again, presupposes certain judgements about relationships between people. It's easy to say that "theft and murder are wrong", because wrongness is part of the meaning of the terms "theft" and "murder". It's much less satisfying to say something like "it's wrong to take things that someone else thinks they own, unless they're mistaken or you have a superior claim" or "it's wrong to shoot someone who didn't deserve to be shot". It's the creation of a "policeman inside" which causes people to lose their ability to make judgements about which people (if any) ought to be shot and which people deserve to keep their stuff. And that loss of the ability (cognitive and moral) is, I think, a direct cause of the very crimes (theft and murder) you mention. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:45 AM 11/24/97 -0500, Jon Galt wrote: >> >> Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of >> >> committing a crime. >(Galt) >> >And who is it that gets to decide what is a "crime" and what is not? >(Frieden) >> It would appear to me that an illegal in the country is as much in >> the act of committing a crime as a burglar is while in a place other than >> his own. >I don't dispute this. If a "crime" is defined as whatever the >politicos/bureaucrats/hoodlums say it is, then a "crime" is certainly >being committed. (Of course there is another definition of crime.) Actually there are the courts who write their own law by intuition protected by life tenure. >(Galt) >> >The >> >politicos, the bureaucrats, the hoodlums in DC and elsewhere who think >> >they have the right to run the lives of everybody else. >(Frieden) >> The politicians are responding to voters. The voters who are >> pressuring them are siding with foreign nationals against the interests of >> the United States which is presumed to be their new country of loyalty. >"If voting could change anything, it would have been outlawed long ago." >Not strictly true. But if I vote or don't vote...well it's just about >the same difference as whether I buy a lottery ticket or not. >Don't vote - it only ENCOURAGES them! There has been a suggestion to outlaw political parties. Once outlawed solicitations and organizations could be criminalized. More practically, the ultimate objective if to find a way to prohibit politicians from being involved in any that can yield a profit. Force they to stick to the "thou shalt nots." Never let them get into areas where compliance with the law can yield a profit. "For only from profits can come campaign contributions." >> That siding should be sufficient justification remove citizenship and >> return them to the land of dysentary and mui Ninos. >Citizenship, Schmitizenship. Granted I don't want to renounce my >citizenship - at least not at the moment. But the whole game of riling >up people's emotions about "citizenship" and "patriotism" is just a bread >and circuses ruse to keep us focused on something other than what the >professional control freaks are doing to us. But certainly any professed citizen acting in a manner other than the pure self interest of the US be sent elsewhere. Or as RAH suggested, voting should not be matter of age and breathing only. >(Galt) >> >Again I ask the question: >> >What gives the hoodlums in Washington DC the right to draw a line on a >> >map and control people's travel across that line? >> The people who made handgun ownership a felony gave them that right. >The people who made handgun ownership a felony should be sent down a dark >alley without any means of self-defense. Perhaps they would gain a small >glimmer of understanding of the real issues - unless they already >understand that they are the hoodlums around the corner in the dark >alley. In that case.... Anyone involved in the illegal drug business and in his right mind does everything he can to assure that his drugs remain illegal. That includes encouraging every manner of condemnation of drugs even if only inviting the simpletons to give their anti-drug speech for a hefty honorarium. >> Lawmakers are resonsible for all foreseeable consequences not just >> the intended consequences. >Lawmakers can hardly be held responsible for tying their own shoes! I >suspect you had your satire mode on full when you wrote this. I have often suspected this is the alternate reality created by a satirist. Nothing can really be as absurd of this. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Microsoft's compelled speech, compelled marketing
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 07:15 PM 11/25/97 -0800, Christian Goetze wrote: >At 09:04 PM 11/25/97 -0500, Glenn Hauman wrote: ... >>Hold it-- are you suggesting that the DOJ is being restrained in going >>after Microsoft? By who? >I suppose that the slant was more like this: either Microsoft pays up and >gets a restrained treatment from the DOJ or else... Well, Gates has given bucks to the gungrabbing campaign, one of the issues Slick has not waffled on... JMR [I'm not on c-punks, please cc any replies to me.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQEPAwUBNHvS1TUhsGSn1j2pAQHFMAfQr1IEMqUVlWnzljI+GQIjm0QSLVGQiM+x JK/X0PZuqGxp+ilAlE/6MPoXGMBccRvKIeUdYpegZyTMUkbBv7D+aAVaXHotAYgA vravGwUYlxkKpUzP3+jWfkNT07BvaxHLD9uue7/nDa9RYXQx+FHjlRvfFzas3oC9 1Uw04XH2cfAri0laHGu3L2UxYH3dsuyZC6BLQUIOUnSYSkOZfROm/C/bPjz6w+m4 ZK+HCPnqU0mas27GJ8pfyHO//ikjaJJ5r+ruBbEIfzp1KaFTPBgzhESiypua4siN X9KYLW9PY6m17Zn9lbnqoCs9SyLF/ZATf0sob5+w7V3eHw== =tk7P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Open Letter from ClickZ Publisher
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:00 AM 11/25/1997 -0000, some flamer using lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote: > For further info on Gary's arrest, visit: > http://www.e-media.com/cm/sac.html >First off, it eventually became "a ticket actually" because it was plea >bargained down to that. That's one of the advantages of committing a >"politically correct" offense in a city like Frisco. The San Francisco >Police Department presumably doesn't take people into custody and impound >their vehicles for mere traffic tickets. The SFPD _was_ arresting several hundred people that night and impounding their bicycles for what might normally have been traffic tickets, though many of the arrests were for "failure to disperse" -- Mayor Willie Brown had been taking enough PR heat for the Critical Mass bicycle rides, and decided he had to "do something". All but a few of the arrestees were out in a few hours, with at most traffic tickets, and got their bikes back the next day (the city DA had to keep reminding Da Mayor that he couldn't legally just confiscate them.) I wasn't on the same block as Burnore, so I don't know if he was being personally obnoxious when he got busted, or was one of the many who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Not that Critical Mass isn't somewhat confrontational :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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