December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

technical issues of the list
by Jenaer Mixmaster Anonserver 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Issues: 1. Robustness. Usenet wins. 2. Efficiency. Usenet loses, but perhaps some kind of hack could be implemented combining mail and news delivery for greater efficiency without losing robustness? I'm not familiar with NNTP. 3. Access control. Usenet is too easy to get in to. We need to discourage clueless newbies from bothering us. This too could be hacked, e.g. set up a PGP cancel bot which only allows PGP signed posts. (This has many other convenient benefits such as encouraging nyms, and preventing spam.) Hm.. But people might worry that sigs could increase their legal exposure, even if they use (less than perfectly strong) nyms. So a good variation is to generate the canonical key pair and share the secret key around. Hell, post the secret key once a week in the FAQ... The cancel bot should allow sigs by either that key or any arbitrary key. Whoops! Such a cancel-bot undermines our goal of robustness.. HMMMmm. Okay the best solution to signal/noise management is (as always) filtering at the reader's desk. I don't read William H. Geiger III or Paul Bradley posts (usually), I don't read anything Subject: "Make Money Fast", from "Graham-John Buellers" or containing "Timmy" in the first sentence, and if we switch to Usenet, I won't read articles posted by unknowns without PGP sigs. There. :-) Regards, Zooko P.S. I am not a crook. Nor am I the anonymous who is so earnestly pleading for some sanity-checking around here, although I tend to agree with some of his points. P.P.S. Hi, Joichi Ito! Nice to see some articles from the Japanese chapter of The International Committee to Put The Bastards Up Against A Wall--- whoops- I mean, the Japanese chapter of the Peace-Loving, Code-Writing, Money-Making Cypherpunks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: http://www.c2.net/~bryce -- 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.01 iQCVAwUBNG3T6hiDTlaqCaKdAQGTBwP+MFtiUEyD0zMCmhTUXA6vz4Ije/2qvPEP ckhFUlw4qLDg0cW0uXsS6Dl4HKhIV9Iu8DtC8BA7C692vC6E6EH5xQIQW6BmajOp gxhECxeCT2zrtGRKwDV5GMEtLsJ5Splp7qxlGJW4o1/16rhGVpxWzqESgC8PhDaT uAyb49at0pM= =HMRX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Policeman Inside
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May says: > Of course, an alternative is to say "Fuck you" to those who want us to shut > up, to deploy more unbreakable crypto, to encourage more armed militias to > spring up, to destabilize the regimes in Hong Kong, Japan, and India, and > to "Just Say No" to backdoors in PGP and other crypto products. Bring on > crypto anarchy. Sounds like a good plan to me! What do people think this nym is for? Only nyms can trade with impunity in the tax free cypherspace. Amad3us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i iQCVAwUBNG8x7PKMuKFNFivhAQEKBgP9EajcgwZUJjxsZQtUmXERBbX1bwBQFypG n/piLEJdGEDDyquJ9Co14Aa6VbYkbfuzWoosnkutbyjZDRJdHM39DxzvcPhiKrIl 6JtY/regsDdwgeZHD4qIBs9TPlqbdWB2mieCB+HX8yrM5HOlrTq9xqF0de6lhfTi 3Q3NhhyClPc= =dGoV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Nakatuji-san and Male PenPals
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 10:37 AM -0700 11/16/97, xxxxxxxxx wrote: > >Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> said: > >>(I did the same search several days ago, as Nakatuji once again became > >>news here, and couldn't find any references at all to his exact name. > >>Maybe the sites or archives that carried his pen pal requests, if it was > >>he and not some other with the same name, had flushed this older stuff.) > > > >Well I did some searching myself and the only thing I could find out side > >of the CP-Archives was the one post to the Einstein Male PenPal webpage > >using the e-mail address below. > > > >http://cuy.net/~einstein/local/malebook.html > > > >Nobuki Nakatuji <nn1332(a)galaxynet.or.jp> > Is this the same Nobuki Nakatuji asking for money for descriptions of > crypto programs? ("What am Misty?"..."You send money, I send description") ROTFL! I look up all of the URLs in the InfoWar Chronicles sent to the list and I was mystified as to why the one you just mentioned (http://cuy.net/~einstein/local/malebook.html) was linked to when I clicked on the word _extortion_. Now it makes sense. Kinda. Maybe. If you click on the highlighted text _terrorists steeped in extremism and political hatred_ it sends you to whithouse.gov. When I get one of those chapters when I am too fucked up to read I just read the highlighted text and see where it goes and its usually pretty weird. I wonder if Nobuki charges his _pen pals_ the same price as he charges cypherpunks. ;P ($50 to have him _play Misty_ for us). ;P

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri, Thanks for reposting Kent's slur of toads. Where to begin defense of toadism? Why not with Toad, (see from above) the mother of toads, the nodehome of thousands of Toadies, year after year, even now for few, until ... well, no need for that again. How about the newly built To, the safehome of www.cpunks. Toto? Maybe a stretch. Request-Remailing-To:? Now, that's close family. Reply to: X-post to: And forward to: Come on, Kent, why deny the fundamental purpose of the Net: Send to: Spoof to: Lie to: Obnox to: Joke to: Friendly crowds of to-addicts.

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the art of fighting without fighting
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bruce Lee film. Scene on a sailing ship headed for island where tournament is to be held. Thug karate type hassles Mr Lee, picking a fight. Thug asks: "so what kind of karate do you fight." Mr Lee: "the art of fighting without fighting." Thug asks for fight. Mr Lee: "not here, on that island over there," points. OK says thug eagerly and climbs down into rowing boat. Mr Lee unties end of rope and hands to children playing, leaning over edge of ship. Thug screams obscenities from row boat, trys to pull himself in but children threaten to let go of rope. Mr Lee walks off camera unperturbed with smug look. Moral of story: fight smart. That's what cypherpunks tactic is. Multiplies your efficacy. Anonymous decries talk of violence on list. Understand anonymous, we are not the aggressors, we are the aggressed. It is annoying being on the receiving end of aggression especially where the aggressor is the local force monopoly and you have no recourse. Hence talk of nuking DC, and of capital punishment for criminal government officials. There is certain poetic karmic value to these expressions of annoyance. Helps spread the dissatisfaction with government. However, the fact that criminal officials deserve punishment does not mean that any of us are interested to actually deliver that punishment. There are more efficient methods of utilising our available resources: write crypto code, hasten crypto-anarchy. Have the government collapse through lack of funding, have it's power eroded. Let's get to it. Amad3us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 6.6.6 iQCVAwUBNG9DLvKMuKFNFivhAQEwQgP9E/gJyEqdczO9epkmXJ35swOcDId2W+N4 lpLX8fsE3g7PTxMGb4CMCOftqRPbYZ5F5ZLeFKjQGQG5/7D99n8dWiNFERRM5/Go s6CSIYzM3jKXVYrW7NxbjCvw/IfDv9QGLZphU7ZK41efU/4Y0OXydQJAO+AHsFFk 1end8q1QRPM= =hc+j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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kiwi not home (was: getting premail)
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov wrote: > > Bill Stewart wrote: > > > > At 11:11 PM 11/13/1997 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > >Anyone know of a WORKING site where I can download premail from? > > >kiwi...berkeley is refusing connections. > > > > http://atropos.c2.net/~raph/premail.html > > > > Also look at www.publius.net > > Nope, all of these sites refer me to kiwi, which is refusing > connections. kiwi is NOT refusing connections. It is just not there. There's a difference. The host: http://kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu/ does not respond to connection requests to port 80, nor 8080, nor 8001. Ping yields "Host lookup failed - Non-authoritative host not found." The browser indicates it is trying to contact, which can mean anything up to and including that it is awaiting a cascading name lookup, but has not yet opened a TCP connection to the target. I'm guessing kiwi is Raph's computer in Computer Science and that maybe it is hosed. Maybe Raph has been hosed... "(WHAP!) Tell us the name of your leader! (WHAP!) Talk! (WHAP!)" Maybe Raph will turn up one of these days writing plaintive notes of contrition. Maybe... oh, never mind. Oddly, while Raph has a home page at www.cs.berkeley.edu and at atropos.c2.net/, all the critical roads seem to lead to kiwi, including the mixmaster list. Search engines show precious few references to critical remailer files except in the links that point to the dead host. Is it really this easy to make the whole remailer network go stale -- like cutting off jet fighter spare parts to suddenly unfriendly nation-states? Wouldn't it be prudent to mirror the remailer lists, keys and stats at a few dozen places scattered around the world? Would it take more than a few percent of the effort and time that have recently been pissed down a hole writing and reading the flames that have consumed the list of late? Hmmmm?

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Politically Correct Riding Hood
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Author Unknown (to me at least) but it fits in well with our current discussion of how not to offend various minority groups. ----- There once was a young person named Little Red Riding Hood who lived on the edge of a large forest full of endangered owls and rare plants that would probably provide a cure for cancer if only someone took the time to study them. Red Riding Hood lived with a nurture giver whom she sometimes referred to as "mother," although she didn't mean to imply by this term that she would have thought less of the person if a close biological link did not in fact exist. Nor did she intend to denigrate the equal value of non traditional households, although she was sorry if this was the impression conveyed. One day her mother asked her to take a basket of organically grown fruit and mineral water to her grandmother's house. "But mother, won't this be stealing work from the unionized people who have struggled for years to earn the right to carry all packages between various people in the woods?" Red Riding Hood's mother assured her that she had called the union boss and gotten a special compassionate mission exemption form. "But mother, aren't you oppressing me by ordering me to do this?" Red Riding Hood's mother pointed out that it was impossible for womyn to oppress each other, since all womyn were equally oppressed until all womyn were free. "But mother, then shouldn't you have my brother carry the basket, since he's an oppressor, and should learn what it's like to be oppressed?" And Red Riding Hood's mother explained that her brother was attending a special rally for animal rights, and besides, this wasn't stereotypical womyn's work, but an empowering deed that would help engender a feeling of community. "But won't I be oppressing Grandma, by implying that she's sick and hence unable to independently further her own selfhood?" But Red Riding Hood's mother explained that her grandmother wasn't actually sick or incapacitated or mentally handicapped in any way, although that was not to imply that any of these conditions were inferior to what some people called "health". Thus Red Riding Hood felt that she could get behind the idea of delivering the basket to her grandmother, and so she set off. Many people believed that the forest was a foreboding and dangerous place, but Red Riding Hood knew that this was an irrational fear based on cultural paradigms instilled by a patriarchal society that regarded the natural world as an exploitable resource, and hence believed that natural predators were in fact intolerable competitors. Other people avoided the woods for fear of thieves and deviants, but Red Riding Hood felt that in a truly classless society all marginalized peoples would be able to "come out" of the woods and be accepted as valid lifestyle role models. On her way to Grandma's house, Red Riding Hood passed a woodchopper, and wandered off the path, in order to examine some flowers. She was startled to find herself standing before a Wolf, who asked her what was in her basket. Red Riding Hood's teacher had warned her never to talk to strangers, but she was confident in taking control of her own budding sexuality, and chose to dialogue with the Wolf. She replied, "I am taking my Grandmother some healthful snacks in a gesture of solidarity." The Wolf said, "You know, my dear, it isn't safe for a little girl to walk through these woods alone." Red Riding Hood said, "I find your sexist remark offensive in the extreme, but I will ignore it because of your traditional status as an outcast from society, the stress of which has caused you to develop an alternative and yet entirely valid world view. Now, if you'll excuse me, I would prefer to be on my way." Red Riding Hood returned to the main path, and proceeded towards her Grandmother's house. But because his status outside society had freed him from slavish adherence to linear, Western-style thought, the Wolf knew of a quicker route to Grandma's house. He burst into the house and ate Grandma, a course of action affirmative of his nature as a predator. Then, unhampered by rigid, traditionalist gender role notions, he put on Grandma's nightclothes, crawled under the bedclothes, and awaited developments. Red Riding Hood entered the cottage and said, "Grandma, I have brought you some cruelty free snacks to salute you in your role of wise and nurturing matriarch." The Wolf said softly "Come closer, child, so that I might see you." Red Riding Hood said, "Goddess! Grandma, what big eyes you have!" "You forget that I am optically challenged." "And Grandma, what an enormous, what a fine nose you have." "Naturally, I could have had it fixed to help my acting career, but I didn't give in to such societal pressures, my child." "And Grandma, what very big, sharp teeth you have!" The Wolf could not take any more of these specist slurs, and, in a reaction appropriate for his accustomed milieu, he leaped out of bed, grabbed Little Red Riding Hood, and opened his jaws so wide that she could see her poor Grandmother cowering in his belly. "Aren't you forgetting something?" Red Riding Hood bravely shouted. "You must request my permission before proceeding to a new level of intimacy!" The Wolf was so startled by this statement that he loosened his grasp on her. At the same time, the woodchopper burst into the cottage, brandishing an ax. "Hands off!" cried the woodchopper. "And what do you think you're doing?" cried Little Red Riding Hood. "If I let you help me now, I would be expressing a lack of confidence in my own abilities, which would lead to poor self esteem and lower achievement scores on college entrance exams." "Last chance, sister! Get your hands off that endangered species! This is an FBI sting!" screamed the woodchopper, and when Little Red Riding Hood nonetheless made a sudden motion, he sliced off her head. "Thank goodness you got here in time," said the Wolf. "The brat and her grandmother lured me in here. I thought I was a goner." "No, I think I'm the real victim here," said the woodchopper. "I've been dealing with my anger ever since I saw her picking those protected flowers earlier. And now I'm going to have such a trauma. Do you have any aspirin?" "Sure," said the Wolf. "Thanks." "I feel your pain," said the Wolf, and he patted the woodchopper on his firm, well padded ass, gave a little belch, and said, "Do you have any Maalox?" -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: Naziworld
by Dave Van Domelen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Which link? And which Naziworld are you referring to? There's lots out there in comics, fiction and gaming. Dave

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Citizenship, soverignty and insular areas
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A very interesting report just published which, while explaining to a Congressional Committee about the legal status of certain small U.S. possessions and territories, touches on differences in the application of U.S. law and citizenship in these areas. Interestingly, "The Constitution does not apply in its entirety to territories solely by virtue of the fact that those territories have come under the possession and control of the United States. Whether rights under the Constitution apply to a territory and, if so, to what extent depends essentially on either of two factors, according to a series of Supreme Court decisions called the Insular Cases.15 The first is whether the right in question is considered to be "fundamental" or not; the second is whether the Congress has taken legislative action to extend the Constitution to the territory." In particular, federal income tax does not apply to many of these possessions (e.g., Saipan) and have become tax havens for some U.S. citizens. - U.S. Insular Areas: Application of the U.S. Constitution. OGC-98-5. 13 pp. plus 7 appendices (58 pp.) November 7, 1997. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/og98005.pdf

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House Panel Questions FBI Implementation of Wiretap Law
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I doubt any of these revelations will come as a shock to list members. --Steve ------------------ Excerpt from ACLU News 10-26-97 House Panel Questions FBI Implementation of Wiretap Law FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, October 23, 1997 WASHINGTON -- Amid growing concerns about privacy implications and costs, a House subcommittee today questioned FBI implementation of a controversial 1994 law that forced telephone companies help law enforcement agencies gain access to digital phone lines for surveillance operations. During the four-hour hearing before the Crime Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, two Republicans -- Bob Barr of Georgia and Steve Chabot of Ohio -- were harshly critical of the 1994 law, has implemented it, saying it represents an enormous invasion of privacy and could lead to a system of ongoing government surveillance. Seconding those criticisms, the American Civil Liberties Union said that safeguards originally implemented in the legislation have failed to protect the American public. "The hearing today clearly revealed that the FBI is embarked on a scheme to undermine the privacy of every law-abiding American," said Donald Haines, a Legislative Counsel with the ACLU's Washington National Office. "From the very beginning, the FBI has flagrantly violated both the process and the requirements set out in the legislation," Haines added. "The FBI has repeatedly sought to coerce the telecommunications industry into changing its technology so that law enforcement agencies could increase their wiretapping." The 1994 telecommunications act is far from the only effort by the FBI to gain backdoor access to private communications. In another ongoing Congressional debate, the FBI is trying to impose restrictions on the use of privacy-protecting encryption technology. "Congress must squarely confront this persistent pattern of FBI and law enforcement intrusions into our privacy," Haines said. "Congress should act immediately to repeal the 1994 law, or, at an absolute minimum, refuse to fund any implementation activities."

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