December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Proof IE4 not an OS, was Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Paul H. Merrill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

James Love wrote: > > Nifty comment by Michael McMain on JavaLobbyCafe(a)iceworld.org > list: > > -------------------------- > > A friend at work made an interesting point about MS's claim that IE4 is > simply an OS extension and not an application. All the DA has to do is > turn on a Power Mac, start IE4, turn to MS and say "So what other parts > of your OS run on the Macintosh exactly?". The MS assertion is not that IE only works within the OS. Just that it is a part. PHM

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FYI: Tygar talk on Monday, November 3 at Harvard
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: kentborg(a)pop.tiac.net Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:42:25 -0400 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: Kent Borg <kentborg(a)borg.org> Subject: FYI: Tygar talk on Monday, November 3 at Harvard Mime-Version: 1.0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Having recently come out of retirement (my temporary early retirement, longer than I would have dreamed I could have pulled off, was wonderful), I have not hit upon a smooth stride in my email reading techniques. Riding the bus (most) every day means that I am going to be running up to date on my Herald Tribune, Economist, Byte, Science News, Scientific American, etc., but I am behind on such things as the DCSB mailing list. So I don't know whether this has gone by on the list, you might want to send it out: >From: rivest(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu (Ron Rivest) >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 11:29:49 EDT >To: cis-seminars(a)theory.lcs.mit.edu >Subject: FYI: Tygar talk on Monday, November 3 at Harvard > > > > Harvard University > Computer Science Colloquium Series > > Atomicity in Electronic Commerce > > Doug Tygar > Computer Science Department > Carnegie Mellon University > > Monday, November 3, 1997 > 4 PM > Pierce Hall 209 > (Tea at 5 pm Brooks Room) > > >Abstract > >The explosion of the Internet has brought with it a >desire to allow information goods to be bought or sold >over the network. Several schemes for realizing this >have been proposed over the last year, and there are a >number of commercial ventures to support electronic >commerce. > >In the first part of this talk, I examine several >protocols for electronic commerce from the perspective >of the distributed transactions. Most models of >electronic commerce have presumed a highly-available >error-free network. I argue for a more realistic model >of commerce using notions of atomicity in electronic >commerce, and propose three levels of atomic >transactions. I will discuss how to exploit network >failures to explicitly attack commercially used >protocols and fraudulently obtain goods or money. > >In the second part of the talk, I will discuss two very >different approaches to achieving high degrees of >atomicity: the first, an internet billing system >called NetBill is being used to allow highly atomic >microtransactions of information goods. This >technology has recently been licensed for commercial >use. The second approach, Information Based Indicia, >uses secure coprocessor hardware to ensure atomicity, >and is being adopted by the US Postal Service to >address their problem of theft of postage through >counterfeit postage indicia. > > >Host: Professor Michael Rabin > > > > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFDB4dL/GwYma/g5EQIziQCbBjVOiEzn11yQKX0htHS2cVCPZJ8AoMXM aMpfEIV0cYxcgdmFgLV0gmD6 =jeyE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Kent Borg kentborg(a)borg.org W: +1-781-768-2300 x1741 H: +1-617-776-6899 "The creative instinct has always been a stronger motive than mere profit to do truly new and revolutionary things." - Phil Karn --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Proof IE4 not an OS, was Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Paul H. Merrill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

James Love wrote: > > Nifty comment by Michael McMain on JavaLobbyCafe(a)iceworld.org > list: > > -------------------------- > > A friend at work made an interesting point about MS's claim that IE4 is > simply an OS extension and not an application. All the DA has to do is > turn on a Power Mac, start IE4, turn to MS and say "So what other parts > of your OS run on the Macintosh exactly?". The MS counter-assertion is not that IE is not a stand-alone piece of software, just that it is a part of the OS. (Personnally I can't stand it.) PHM

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GAK on the cheap
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

GAK fans! Here's a patch to PGP 2.6.2 to force it to encrypt all messages to the FBI key. Patch crypto.c thusly: 2339a2340 > ++i; /* Count FBI key */ 2368a2370,2372 > /* encrypt to FBI */ > keys_used = encryptkeyintofile(g, "<leaf(a)fbi.gov>", keybuf, keyfile, > ckp_length, keys_used); That's it. Four new lines, and every message is encrypted to the government as an additional recipient. Don't let the FBI see this. If so, we'll be <ominous voice> "one step from GAK". Add a few SMTP filters and we're doomed.

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't think you know who I am, but I wrote this message. These are "my" words, but "I" am anonymous. So I am wondering - who owns these words? Who owns the words of an anonymous author, who is responsible for the actions of an unknown party, and who is to say that this is so?

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Access RC4
by vcarlos35＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Around June/July of 1995, the Cypherpunks list coordinated an attack on MS Access's RC4 encryption key. Does anybody know what happened with it? (I was found a partial archive of the RC4 attack, but it stopped around July 11, 1995)

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Re: Proof IE4 not an OS, was Re: Bill Gates, the Bully Savior
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > A friend at work made an interesting point about MS's claim that IE4 is > > simply an OS extension and not an application. All the DA has to do is > > turn on a Power Mac, start IE4, turn to MS and say "So what other parts > > of your OS run on the Macintosh exactly?". > > The MS counter-assertion is not that IE is not a stand-alone piece of > software, just that it is a part of the OS. > Odd thing, in fact. Of course, Win95 and Mac are almost the same. They run with all of the same controls, near exact features and functions. It should also be noted that while most Netscape releases come out on Win95 first, Mac versions are never far away. For that matter, Netscape has also been ported to X-Win. Does this mean Win is a Mac copy? Absolutely. Does it mean M$ is bad? Depends. MCI and Sprint provide the same service that AT&T used to, but with minor changes. Microsoft has done the same. Fare trade? Inability to place money into research&development? A sublime desire to have that apple pie that was gone by the time he got to it? Who knows what ethics are in Mr. Gates mind. -Brandon Crosby

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > at 05:38 PM, harka(a)nycmetro.com said: > The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument > will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can > survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have > kids) > I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times > nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can > AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to > have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies! -=> Quoting In:whgiii@invweb.net to Harka <=- In> Sorry, your sloth and lack of ambition is no excuse to deny me In> my rights. An employer only owes you to what is agreed on when In> you enter into a contractual agreement of employment. For you In> clock punching 9 to 5'ers that means you show up to work, you In> do your work, and at the end of the week you get your check. In> You don't like the company, or their policies, or the color of In> the bosses tie, too bad don't let the door hit you in the ass In> on the way out. In your excitement you might have misunderstood what I was trying to say: Implying, that the freedom of an (average) person does not get infringed by (privacy-intrusive) policies "because they can always choose a different company" is IMHO plainly incorrect and out of day-to-day reality for most people. (Also note, that I am not saying companies don't have the right to have such policies) The truth is, that even with proper (college and beyond) education and sincere effort to make something happen for yourself, it takes quite a bit to get to a point of being totally free to choose your employer based on mere policies. And that will probably not change for most people. [glorious deeds deleted] In> The reason people like you are "DAMN GLAD to have a job AT In> ALL" is because you don't do anything to make yourself more In> marketable in the corporate world. Do you really expect single mothers with 3 kids to have the time to do it to the degree of being able to _freely choose_ their employers?? Or even Joe Average, who just came out of College and has $100 000 school-loan-debt? My point being, that not everybody is in a position to make themselves "more marketable" to the point of having companies begging for you, even if they wanted to. And that applies to most people. (Congrats to the fortunate exceptions.) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... I have a byte, and I'm not afraid to use it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFEsrTltEBIEF0MBAQGb+gf+KsL58w0CKuLLA1h2q62QNarQGjWzfi/u zdgdoNE1+29VHt3wuJ1ybCp6fcTg0RPjXagDb/kwh5WMCSCice7KnFNx9SKdLuPn /9/eRjjKyP+YWjM3zBILMRzf58HqNVy333CZRk7RtJcYt6e6aqlxrIh7T1F/ujMb wYP9n+teDuy0dxh1i3n8354Kg99lfndDS5VTMPCBoS1TmSHbtIGdvmJpc00VuTiw Kk3gJ0l53j4fC/hmWuXacqCypnCqh9M8s4j+6MzTY/tGcs2YJQuAeQ9gVzvSYBKf Oi+lHYxd4rTBGALYf6SOk+k92YvIA8zP99w401So9v9rLYvf7V9+yA== =H2nX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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by biz＠t-1net.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Kent Crispin wrote: > Indeed. It's just as idiotic as people being killed for > receiving encrypted mail in Iraq. It is, however, just as > possible, and anyone who believes the contrary obviously hasn't > worked for a big company before; I've seen them do far, far, > more idiotic things in the past. -=> Quoting In:whgiii@invweb.net to Harka <=- In> There is a simple solution to that don't work for one if you In> don't like their policies. Sometimes it seems, as if the people advocating the "business-reality" are furthest removed from it. The "just don't work for them if 'ya don't like it"-argument will last about 4 weeks...the approximate time a human can survive without eating. (or a couple of weeks less, if you have kids) I.e. unless you are the super-duper, three-times nobel-prize-winner (with lots of money in stocks), who can AFFORD to choose employers that freely, you will be DAMN GLAD to have a job AT ALL, regardless of their policies! Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ... The facts, although interesting, are usually irrelevant. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBNFEPMzltEBIEF0MBAQFKogf+MyQ/DGjqtDzS/zFJzl1YX75OgDMi313x r4SJcWam4VW2fgSQ6Jq1CsX8IgTKJZkIJOWzf2HojFS6FLsdL5cRrf6O+dBcBa8t 2i+P5ZIi8zM6G5HqoHr+nGEPlT0MnoYqjeSVIMSdGVugBRuSzZV0R7trxXSvZkUc 9cDu5eOdUsfG3KB3LRy5puktfYhY/YQUwidqJz2TuICpj41EFtzLnHKgjBZ/B1eL 8i7uZCGD77oImmD7Cs3gzmYEwcjyw94lPgHZbory+J+CScFUddmLC8HsyVjUKytQ HPOqV0TOP828FVz/JrZ5KS+oZgvKSMPLY/Rv75XhIZB7uUGTnCt89w== =TL8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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