December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I wrote: >I have my doubts as to whether it is possible to set up a really good >anonymous insurance scheme. At some point the customer must >physically be matched up with the policy. The damage may be >minimized by putting a hash of the customer's DNA markers in the >policy instead of the markers themselves. But, when the customer >wishes to draw on the policy, his or her markers will have to be >taken. > >If there were a way for the representative of the insurance company >to absolutely verify the DNA markers such that the customer could be >absolutely certain the information didn't leave the room, a really >good anonymous policy would be feasible. But, I can't think of a way >to do this. I've thought about this some more and there is a way to do this that at least works in theory. Let's say there are 30 DNA markers to be used to uniquely identify a physical person. When creating the contract, the customer creates 30 hashes based on each marker. Prior to the time the customer has a health problem, privacy is well assured assuming he or she doesn't have a blood sample taken forcibly. When the customer goes in for treatment, the insurer selects at random one of the 30 markers and verifies it. If it checks out, treatment is provided. The way to prevent people from trying to get lucky on the markers is for the customer and the insurer to make a bet before the test. This is a safe bet for the customer - he or she knows the outcome. If the odds and payoff are set correctly, it's a good deal for the insurer, too, because he or she will make money on fraud attempts. Let's take the worst case: only one of the 30 marker is different. Let's say the insurance contract consists of a health bet with a payoff of $100,000 if the ailment insured for is found. If the customer is willing to bet $3 million that any marker selected will be correct, the insurer breaks even. However, since the customer knows with certainty the outcome of the bet, he or she is safe betting (theoretically) any amount. This can be set arbitrarily high so that the insurer actually stands to make a substantial amount of money off fraud attempts. In practice some provision will have to be made for people who can't arrange the $3 million, such as taking fraud artists out to the parking lot and shooting them. And there still needs to be a way for one DNA marker to be tested for in a way which guarantees that none of the others are studied. Perhaps when the customer goes in, he or she takes samples of DNA with all thirty markers. When the insurer selects a particular marker, a blood sample is drawn, and the customer puts in DNA with the 29 other markers so that it will not be possible to study any marker other than the one intended. If each insurance contract is linked to only one type of illness, then the only information revealed is that somebody with one particular DNA marker had such and such an illness. This seems pretty secure. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFjP6JaWtjSmRH/5AQGwjgf/SIMSKV3prkmD3WDaiwojOhgxA+V0iLeY UAwHUKoOgIQAZ+5SKz2SsP6219jyi4i1mGbQFwXc8kydeEuia81/gAReo+63wZgB S6hlh9bUc4lp//S/ql5YISypNEKWXE6o7hE3IvdAeUrRlxEyU04fLmwW2UcejeFB rTdqFQLsTbONf1bvevJ4MplnhG/O7fRUDF3jneRxDZuib60EO8zUvbvpvDhaYM/e TMeuK5OywHOCX6EQc5eZ7ER1pIWgxR1cXwm428Qvk07z8VoTDJyy6QMLs+EzPcp6 Es94M2JezFmDAfD6nDGdLzrs8h4IJITdjWujLL4VQeJi6LwP7RB5NQ== =eHkn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Seige of Mayonnaise Mountain Ends Peacefully!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] TIM C. MAY, CYPHERPUNKS PHILOSOPHER KING, announced earlier today that the seige of Mayonnaise Mountain by local, state, federal, and global assault teams ended peacefully when the heavily armed members of the NWO forces were knocked down with a wide variety of projectiles the size of drainplugs, ranging from lead elephant-shotgun pellets to homemade nuclear slingshot ammunition. Mr. May was pleased to announce that the scattered body parts of his assailants, "are SAFE, now." When informed by members of the news media that he could be subject to a fine of up to a hundred dollars by EPA officials for using lead shot in his elephant gun, Mr. May smiled, and said, "Well, they know where to find me."

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Siege Update!
by Canadian Nutly News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[COAL DUST SALOON, Bienfait, Saskatchewan: CNN] A BAR WHORE donated to the TruthMailer operator by the local chapter of "Ladies Against Women" announced to gathered reporters, after showing them her tits for ten dollars, that the bodies of the Whitehouse occupants and the scattered body parts of the members of the Mayonnaise Mountain assault teams had been examined by the Coal Dust Saloon bar owners, who had declared, "Those fuckers were crazy, alright, messing with the CypherPunks." Chief CypherPunks Spokesperson, Anonymous, declared that the merry band of anarchists was happy to be exonerated in the face of claims by the head of the American Medical Association that those slain by the CypherPunks were mentally stable. "We were certain that the opinion of our own psychiatric specialists, Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM, and the world-renounced Dr. Grubor, would be upheld by the Circle of Eunuchs schills who count on the Last Canadian Outlaw to singlehandedly keep their bar operating in the black." When asked about the Coal Dust Saloon bar owners' decision in regard to the mental stability of Jon Bonet Ramsey, Anonymous leaned over and whispered to the Canadian Nutly News reportwhore, "If anybody asks, I was with _you_ when the little tart 'bought it', OK? Can I buy you a beer?"

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PGP question
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Not being very knowledgeable in the cypher world, are there any good online >references that compare RSA vs DSS PGP? and why one would be better than >the other? > >thanks If you use PGP 5.0 many people will refuse to read your messages and send them to you. They won't be able to decrypt your messages, verify your signatures, or use your keys. In general, using 5.0 just pisses people off. 5.0 is purposefully incompatable with all previous versions of PGP, they purposefully haven't released usable versions except for Windows and possibly Mac, they've purposefully broke any scripts and programs which invoke PGP, they purposefully made command-line versions of PGP many times more annoying to use, and PGP 5.x encrypts to a "CMR key" without having the decency to ask. Generally the PGP 5.x folks are being complete and total assholes about this entire thing and haven't done anything to improve the state of cryptography today and a whole lot to worsen it. Somebody recently posted a large rant about this titled "PGP 5.0: What were they thinking? (revisited)." CompatabilityMonger

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North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

#Subject: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture CBS news tonight showed cops in a northern CA town use swabs to apply "pepper spray" directly to the eyes of demonstrators in some Congressman's office. One cop administered headlocks, another pried eyelids open and a third administered discipline. That's the ticket. Skip the judge and jury, just let the cops torture the perps. Why stop at pepper spray? Why not bamboo shoots? Electric shocks to the genitals? We must have order. Glad none of those human-rights protestors in DC will care. And none of those left-wing-commie-pinko llllliberals. And none of those right-wing Christians. FedUpMonger

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democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 01:42:37 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)) > > > If we abandon democracy then we are admitting that ALL social systems are a > > failure. > > I fail to see the inference there. If we as individuals can't make our own decisions about what is best for us, what makes you think some stranger will do any better? By our initial assumption we are assured that they can't make adequate decisions about their own life. Every form of government other than democracy assumes a priori that noble oblige is prima facia. To paraphrase an old questions of politics, who governs the governors? Or do you feel we have found angels in the form of kings? Democracy says, you don't need a governor (in that sense). You ARE held responsible for your actions AFTER your actions, not for simply thinking about them or even speaking them. Juries are supposed to be composed of your peers, not who the prosecution or defence believe will best support their case. It should be that the first 12 poeple called who don't have a valid excuse to be excused are the jury, the next 12 are the back-ups. This would guarantee that getting a conviction for anything other than the most heinous crime with the most explicit and incontrovertible evidence will be well nigh impossible, as it should be in a democracy. It should be a mother fucker to put somebody in jail in this country. Judges should not be able to tell someone they need permissio to file a legal complaint. Nor should a judge be able to refuse a juries request to have testimony transcribed because it costs too much. That isn't justice, that is systemic expediency and criminal indiference. Which means we should have the lowest number of incarcerated individuals instead of the most. > Democracy doesn't work that well. Probably no government at all would > be better. Doesn't work what way? Consider, other than democracy, that every form of government has an implicit assumption that there is some base sets of activities that citizens should be permitted and they will be happy. Those activities are determined, except in democracies, by those in power who are NOT elected or otherwise responsible to the people as a whole. In a democracy the people are given the opportunity to make up their mind what to do with their lives and property without having to obtain permission from some authority. Why? Because there isn't such an authority to get permission from in the first place. > > No, it is time WE take responsibility back for our actions and control our > > own lives and quit abrogating it to some asshole who will promise anything > > to get us to give them money for nothing (ie taxes). > > Same thing applies to most government functions. In what way? Paying a government to keep the park clean and mowed and the lights on at night or my streets well paved and de-iced in winter is not quite the same thing as having black-suited ninja wann-be's kicking my door in at 2AM because I choose to smoke a joint or even grow my own weed; or spend six weeks in jail for possessing vitamins that some cop THINKS is drugs; or perhaps because I happen to be a doctor and know how to read and might take exception to being told what I can or can't say; or because I might be of Jewish decent or a Muslim or a Catholic or Anglo or Negro; or etc. etc. There is a reason behind the madness of "Congress shall make no law...". ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 7:59 PM -0700 10/30/97, Anonymous wrote: > >#Subject: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture > > > >CBS news tonight showed cops in a northern CA town use swabs to apply > >"pepper spray" directly to the eyes of demonstrators in some Congressman's > >office. One cop administered headlocks, another pried eyelids open and a > >third administered discipline. > > > >That's the ticket. Skip the judge and jury, just let the > >cops torture the perps. Why stop at pepper spray? Why not bamboo shoots? > >Electric shocks to the genitals? We must have order. > On the other hand, the perps were trespaassers in private offices. Me, I > would've been inclined to fire up my Stihl and separate their little fairy > circle at their wrists. The manufacturer of the pepper spray used warns that it should be used from a minimum of three feet away, as closer use will result in tissue damage. Videos show the police spraying it directly in the non-violent demonstrators eyes from inches away. Naturally, even if they shot the non-violent demonstrators in the eye from inches away, with their guns, they would be provided with a taxpayer-supported legal team to claim that the officers were in fear for their lives from seated, handcuffed, unarmed, non-violent demonstrators. If I trespass on Tim's property, I would fully expect him to deal with me in a manner consistent with his declared intentions. I would expect the same from those who claim to be bound by the same rule of law that they _force_ on the citizens. This non-violent demonstrators were willing to accept the agreed upon punishment/cost of their actions in protest of the actions of their public servants. Their public servants, as usual, chose to to act in the manner of savages who are incapable of holding to the rule of law which they use to justify their confiscation of the citizen's right to bear arms in the face of tyranny. Twenty years or so ago, after seeing pictures of mothers and children in chains at a Livermore Labs protest, I wrote a song called "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey." If more people had followed my example, we would be singing the praises of government, as Bozo sits in the Oval Office typing new legislation which would likely be far superior to anything we have seen in the last twenty years. "Time flies like an arrow...fruit flies like a banana." TruthMonger

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Cypherspeak
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Canadian Nutly News wrote: > Canadian Nutly News reportwhore ^^^^^ The answer to InfoWar is more InfoWhore!

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What Will Revolution Look Like?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some of the questions by Mark Rogaski and others ask about the nature of the revolution I and others are predicting and encouraging. What will a just revolution, like those anticipated by Jefferson, Franklin, and others, look like? The British thought the colonial rebels were "playing dirty" by shooting from behind trees instead of marching in bright uniforms with drums and bugles to herald their way. Modern armies think freedom fighters are "terrorist scum" for not fighting honestly and fairly in their own M-1 Abrams tanks and aircraft carriers. So, too, will revolutionaries be seen as fighting "unfairly" and being unethical sneaks, child killers, and terrorists. (As if children and other innocents did not die in various incidents in past wars, on all sides.) When Jefferson predicted that a revolution was needed every 20 years or so, he surely was not saying that throwing one party out of leadership and putting the other party in was an example of such a revolution, or that "campaign reform" is such an example. Nor was he saying that the only valid revolution would be when a buch of citizens or states got together their own army and marched on Washington. (Actually, raising such an army is in violation of numerous laws about heavy weaons, licenses to carry weapons, etc. No doubt illegal. Ironically.) No, the revolution, when it comes, will likely be different from anything quite like we've seen to date. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: North CA cops skip preliminaries, get straight to torture
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The manufacturer of the pepper spray used warns that it should be > used from a minimum of three feet away, as closer use will result > in tissue damage. http://www.tscm.com/mace.html On the third page of Brisbane's Courier Mail yesterday, "Policeman Accused of Assaulting Rape Witness Promoted." ::Boots "Any weapon must be kept concealed until the exact moment of its use"

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