December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: >At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > >>If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are >>implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. How many people have >>objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected >>when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been >>dropped on Japan? None. How many have objected to the notion that >>residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed? Hardly any. >...SNIP... >I have never said "residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed." As I >recall my first comment along these lines, it was, paraphrasing (as I don't >feel like spending 15 minutes sifting through my archived mail), along the >lines of: "I fully expect to wake up some morning and hear that some >terrorist nuke has destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying." Try this: : To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com : From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 : : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any meaningful sense (not even the "will : no one rid me of this corrupt city?" sense, given that I have no : Beckett-like powers). You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree? How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed. It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such an act of cold-blooded terrorism. You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago. >>At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of >>privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and >>murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. > >I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, actually. >And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was the same in >1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called Waco that happened >around that time? Go back and read the traffic. You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them. This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. >Many of us don't "stand" for freedom of speech if it really means >suppression of racist, homophobic, whatever speech, as it seems to me in >many countries today. The Orwellian "freedom of speech does not mean >freedom to say wrong or offensive things" is a meme that seems to be >spreading. Of course you have the right to post what you like. But when you spew garbage, I have the right to say it stinks. It seems that other posters have lost their sense of smell. They say that's what happens when you spend your time wallowing in sewage.

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Ataka Dorn
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous screamed: > Tim May writes: <stuff> > You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. > > Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree? > How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city > proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said > that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed. Are you preparing this testimony for the trial, or for the press? I'd be more than happy to kick in some leftover plutonium for you to plant in Tim's home, if you plan on setting him up after I've finished my...uuhhh...home project. > It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned > discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such > an act of cold-blooded terrorism. Most of the "poison" seems to be coming from Tim's detractors, chief of whom is yourself, at present. Why don't you try limiting yourself to 10,000 words of ranting and finger-pointing for every "Nuke DC" statment Tim makes? > You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of > sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. Apparently > everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago. Please give the rest of us credit for being self-willed individuals who are perfectly capable of promoting our own brand of sickening violence, rather than just going along with the suggestions that Tim makes in our late-night secret meetings where we discuss the our plans for the overthrow of anarchy in the world. > You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong > innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents > in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no > different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. > You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless > and violent as the worst of them. As Robert Hettinga stated in a previous post, I think that your constant rants about innocent childen betray some kind of sick fixation on them. Please try to keep your hands away from your private body parts when thinking about them. That might help. > This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem > which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the > children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on > Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the > children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. Boy, now I'm having problems keeping my hands away from _my_ private parts. Back in a minute... ... > Of course you have the right to post what you like. But when you spew > garbage, I have the right to say it stinks. It seems that other posters > have lost their sense of smell. They say that's what happens when you > spend your time wallowing in sewage. You seem to be the one both pumping most of the sewage and doing most of the wallowing in it. Of course, you're just groping around in it looking for 'bad' people, aren't you? It's not like you get cheap, vicarious thrills dwelling on these kinds of topics. When you testify in court, or give your interviews to the press, remember to keep your hands tucked in your armpits. Folding them together on your lap might prove to be too much of a temptation. TruthMangler BTW, thanks for those pictures of Princess Di's death scene that you sent me. Great closeups!

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Re: degree of anonymity
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ulf Möller wrote: > Have a look at: > > David Chaum: Untraceable Electronic Mail, Return Addresses, and Digital > Pseudonyms, Communications of the ACM 24 (1981) 2, pp 84--88, > http://world.std.com/~franl/crypto/chaum-acm-1981.html Do other list readers agree? How many people would this kill? > Wei Dai: Traffic analyzing Chaum's digital mix, 1995, > http://www.eskimo.com/~weidai/traffic.txt It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list > Lance Cottrell: Mixmaster and remailer attacks, 1995, > http://www.obscura.com/~loki/remailer/remailer-essay.html This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. > Thomas Horton: Stylometry. In: R. Asher (ed.): The Encyclopedia of > Language and Linguistics, Pergamon Press, 1994, pp 4383--4385. You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. > Joseph Rudman, David I Holmes, Fiona J. Tweedie, R. Harald Baayen: The > State of Authorship Attribution Studies, 1997, > http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/achallc97/papers/s004.html Nothing more than a forged spoof by TruthMangler. > Ivan Krsul, Eugene Spafford: Authorship Analysis: Identifying The > Author of a Program, 1997, > ftp://coast.cs.purdue.edu/pub/COAST/papers/krsul-authorship_analysis_NISSC.… You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them. Now maybe everyone will see what I mean when I say that those on this list now only stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and murder, racism, homophobia. Anne Ahole

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How anonymous?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It seems that if Dick has a certain vocabulary, > uses a certain sentence structure, etc., and > regularly posts using a nym, that this form and > content could be traced to Dick, so the likelihood > of the post coming from him and not Jane would > be that much increased. This is true. Probably most people know who I am.

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: > At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> writes: > As for white supremacy, look elsewhere, I think you`ll > find Tim`s post an example of what the developed world knows as humour, > not a serious attack on any ethnic group. Tim May's post seems funny to you? Not a racist comment? His imitation of a Japanese accent is purely offensive. Paul, would you feel comfortable offering this kind of "humor" in a gathering which included Japanese visitors, perhaps potential customers? That comment about kicking Japan's butt would really be humorous, wouldn't it? It is astonishing that people like you and William Geiger, who apparently make their living as consultants, feel so comfortable publicly approving racist comments directed against the Japanese. Does William expect ever to work with a Japanese customer, after suggesting that Truman should have dropped additional atomic bombs on Japan? Even if you share Tim May's lack of moral constraint, you presumably do not also share his wealth. Pragmatic considerations alone should make you reluctant to be an apologist for racist comments, or in William's case to compound the error with shockingly offensive remarks of his own.

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Re: This judge needs killing
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Bradley writes: >Judge David Selwood today sentenced 3 writers for the magazine "Green >Anarchist" to 3 years imprisonment each for their articles in the >magazine which he concluded incited others to break the law. >The magazine contained diaries for the previous months animal rights >activism events and contained articles generally favourable to the cause >of animal liberation. > >Another judge who has richly earned the death penalty. Another example of the violent rhetoric which goes without comment on this list. The death penalty is completely inappropriate for this kind of crime. It should be reserved for the most serious of criminal actions, the most egregious murders, terrorism, genocide. An appropriate punishment for a judge who violates his oath of office and sentences someone wrongly to prison would be a prison sentence for the judge himself, some multiple of the unjust sentence. Calling for the death penalty for crimes which do not themselves involve killing only cheapens life. Before long you too will support shooting graffiti vandals and nuking London.

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Tim plans to kill a federal judge
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:43 PM -0700 11/13/97, Neva Remailer wrote: >Robert Hettinga wrote: >>> If Tim and others fail to exercise their right to say what they >>> believe, then it is likely those rights will be suspended in due >>> time. >> >>Like I said before, it makes sense, but not because Foucault said >>it. Broken clocks, and all that. Besides, Monty, I hate appeals to >>authority almost as much as I hate ad honminae. I just saw this, courtesy of Monty's reply. This is really rich. Hettinga hates "ad hominae." This from the guy who started this latest flame war with such choice phrases as: "Tim's Way Cool Latter-Day Farnham's-Freehold in the Santa Clara mountains.... a bunch of "freedom fighters" like the one you fancy yourself to be these days... instead of shoving your favorite Mac-10 up the nose of every statist treehugger you bump into out there in lotusland.... you won't have to clean the snot off the end of your gunbarrel so often..." Hettinga, heal thyself. A comment or two on the rest of what Monty is saying: >Are you asking me to use Foucault's line without giving him credit? >That doesn't seem right to me. > >Foucault's essay was insightful and significantly influenced my point >of view. Not only does he deserve the credit, but mentioning his name >may direct other interested readers toward his work. > >BTW, how much of Foucault have you actually read? I am generally >unfamiliar with his work, but I have a sinking feeling the same can be >said for certain of his critics. > >It is easy to give French intellectuals a cursory reading and conclude >that there is nothing there. However, often there is quite a lot of >something there, but it comes from people with a different >intellectual tradition than our own so it is harder to understand. An >apparently absurd sentence is often a reference to a body of work with >which we are not familiar. By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. (These same kind of folks use to automatically label anything Nietzsche said as tainted because of the Nazi's later affinity for some of his works, but the "rehabilitation" of Nietzsche has been largely successful, and N. is of course now a hero of the Left. Whatever. Nietzsche was of course neither a leftist nor a rightist...he was just who he was.) Hettinga has admitted basic ignorance of Foucault, just as he backpedalled furiously on the "Aurora" claims he made. (about Hettinga's repeated, and loud, claims in recent days that I have called for the death of a federal judge) >Tim has repeatedly made it clear to the world that this was not his >meaning. What is your purpose in declaring otherwise? > Hettinga shows his true colors by repeating these lies over and over again. I would not be at all surprised if he has forwarded carefully excerpted fragments to his friendly FBI offices, hoping they'll make a move to investigate me. >In every other instance in which Tim has discussed capital punishment, >it has been in the context of a trial. > >If OJ had committed a brutal murder in a state without the death >penalty, say Massachusetts, and Tim said "OJ is guilty of a capital >crime", would you conclude that he was calling for his murder? > I have, over the years, expressed my constitutional opinion about many people whom I think have committed capital crimes. OJ, of course. And Lon Horiuchi, the shooter at Ruby Ridge. And, if you check the archives, Tim McVeigh. Fact is, many people have committed capital crimes. And I don't particularly feel like paying my share of the $50-100K a year to keep them well fed and housed at Club Fed, so I'd just as soon spend a quarter on a rifle round and be done with them. I don't have a clue who "Monty Cantsin" is, but his clear thinking makes it kind of a shame he will remain a nym forever, unless he declares himself. (No one, not even Vinge or Card, ever said nyms would carry the same reputation capital True Names do. Maybe someday. But not in the foreseeable future.) >Clearly that would not be reasonable. So why do you feel the meaning >changes when "OJ" is substituted for "The judge"? Perhaps you harbor >latent urges to murder our public officials and wish to draw attention >from yourself by pointing the finger at Tim. You seem to be talking >about it more than anybody else. > Indeed. Hettinga keeps quoting this "Tim plans to kill a federal judge" mantra so much that I'd better rename the thread to this just to keep Hettinga happy. There, it's done. >Incidentally, it is well documented that in the 1980s, the USG had >detailed plans for mass arrests of dissident citizens. Ten army camps >had been selected for this purpose. The plan was to be executed in >the event the country invaded Nicaragua. The USG has incarcerated >masses of U.S. citizens without trial at least twice during the 20th >century. > Yep. And to show that I am not the jingoist Ito presumes I am, arresting and imprisoning those of Japanese descent without due process was, of course, a capital crime. Had I been a Japanese-American, deprived of my liberty for several years, with no evidence that I had committed a crime, and with my property forfeited to the government (often for failure to pay taxes--duh!!!!), I'd have advocated the death penalty for those who falsely imprisoned me and stole my land. But most Jap immigrants were wimps. .... >Perhaps it is your turn to crack open a book and find the reference. >I would be quite interested (and surprised) if you can substantiate >your claim. Hettinga doesn't bother with research. He just shoots from the hip. He concentrates on _style_ over substance. Must be his liberal arts training. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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How anonymous? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:36:59 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: How anonymous? > > It seems that if Dick has a certain vocabulary, > > uses a certain sentence structure, etc., and > > regularly posts using a nym, that this form and > > content could be traced to Dick, so the likelihood > > of the post coming from him and not Jane would > > be that much increased. > > This is true. Probably most people know who I am. Most people don't care who you are. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Key Signing
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>BTW, I was farting around and discovered that I could change the >password on a revoked secret key. This means that someone can crack >the password on your revoked secret key if they have access to it. >This would make your new key vulnerable if you used the same password. > >I suppose this qualifies as PGP trivia, but if it saves the life of >just one fascist dicator... > >!Knott (Who's dare?) When I read this a quote from Independance Day came to mind. The aliens just blew up New York and a cable exec is sitting in his car. As the firestorm comes towards him and he's facing both immiment death by being crushed by cars displaced by the explosion and becoming a Whopper(tm) from the firestorm he looks out and says simply: "Ohhhhhhhh craaaaaaap."

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Woodwose.Nym
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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