December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

MEGAVAPOUR ENCRYPTION [was CHALLENGE to Meganet VME...]
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on or about 971108:1121, in <3.0.32.19971108112126.006dab28(a)ibcnet.com>, Matrix Encryption <matrix(a)meganet.com> was purported to have expostulated to perpetuate an opinion: >Dear Atilla, > normally I would not waste my time replying to an illiterate, ignorant flim-flam artist with a forced error [sic] of superiority to hide his/her paranoid insecurity. first: I am not, and have never been, a coward hiding behind a nym. I have been known by "Attila T. Hun" for more years than you have probably been alive. thus, the interNIC record: 20:56:01 attila 501-> whois hun.org Attila T. Hun (HUN5-DOM) 31 N. 700 E. Suite 134 St. George, UT 84770-3208 US Domain Name: HUN.ORG ... Record last updated on 31-Jul-97. AND Welcome to Primenet, Attila T. Hun Your last login was Thu Nov 13 22:19:11 PST 1997 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE WHAT attila p3 attila.infowest. 7:02AM 0 w attila processing mail folders msgs lines chars message group 21 2157 98506 .incoming_mail 00:02:25 attila 501-> finger attila(a)primenet.com [primenet.com] Login: attila Name: Attila T. Hun Directory: /user/a/attila Shell: /bin/bash Mailbox last read: Fri Nov 14 00:02 (MST) Plan: ENCODE ALL MESSAGES WITH 2048 BIT SIGNAL KEY: 2048/463141C9 now, all that being said... it has been asked... "attila, who the fuck are you?" "just nobody, I guess; "well, let's see... "I have a Piled higher and Deeper in Information Techniques from Zuerich (undergrad at Harvard in dual honors physical chemistry); "I have been around since before the dawn of arpanet, probably even longer than TCMay; in fact, I was born before Franklin D. Roosevelt dusted off Wendell L. Willkie; "I've never held a job; "but, I have personally coded more than a few 250,000+ line packages, which made me quite comfortable at one time, even if more than one did go down the black hole (along with countless other projects like the bit-slice hardware and firmware to replace B3500s in missile silos); "I have been the hatchet man in a few bleeding tech recoveries; "I have been detained for crypto offenses by the Feds; "I have been detained for 'treasonable' technology export; and, I have been charged; "a long time ago, in a land far, far away, there was more than one tour in "deep-deep black" special operations; the battalion commanding officer for the 'Let's do some serious killing...' permanently vacant eyes, misfits; "a combat chopper pilot; an instrument rated multi-engine pilot; a rider of a 102 cu. in. 115+ mph qtr. miler hawg on the street; "plus a few other reasons to guarantee an autobiography to be found on the fiction shelf. "if you really want to know... just play Hotel California, but I live in the high desert country of Utah with a bunch of gun nuts (only state in the Union where opening day of the hunting season is a state holiday). "So, who the 'fuck' am I? Just another aging 300 lb gorilla, "Oh, yeah, I forgot, I hold a license to practice before the court in a couple European countries... "So, who am I, really? "Nobody, I guess, just attila! "you probably will not be last, you may not be next, but you are certainly too late to have been first." --attila >Youe letter show us that you might not be aware of all the facts >surrounding VME. now, let's get several important points straight out front: 1. matriculate in a liberal arts program for English grammar and composition; your writing is unintelligible, often contradictory --no class. 2. until you publish the algorithm[s] and the implementation code, you do not have a product, you have "vapourware" in the encryption business --your trust model reputation capital is zero. 3. anybody can propose a specification; but over the last 25 years less than a handful of the hundreds proposed, have been bullet proof --so far; they can still fail. 4. a 2^20 keylength is an absurd dimension, more than 120Kbytes; the efficiency for an average 2K memo is less than 2%. just handling the data stream is a load on both the processor[s] and the communication link[s]. if you are still with me... 1. I do not believe your claim that you have placed your encryption with 250 of the top software companies; there are not 250 software companies in the world who could afford your outrageous $1 million base licensing be --particularly for what appears to be vapourware. Nobody in this business places that level of financial commitment on the PASS line in las vegas. and to pay this fee annually? well, dreams are still permissable; but outside of that forum, your hypothesis is a dream. corollary: the way to make money is to sell millions of licenses at $10, not get down on your knees and pray that someone will lay $1 million on you for something which has not been proven in the trenches. 2. I do not believe you _ever_ had the $1 million prize money for your alleged contest. 3. I do not believe you even have a working model or beta release of the software. 4. I do not believe you are doing anything other than putting us all on. now, if we can get past the above problems for YOU to solve, and/or demonstrate the efficacy thereof, to US, the final "problem" in your demonstrated inability to communicate can be addressed: I did NOT ask to participate in your EXPIRED CHALLENGE; that was obviously a farcical expression of egotistical tomfoolery or shenanigans --maybe even hooliganism. that not withstanding, you never had the money to pay a claim; your ego told you there would never be a claim. I DID CHALLENGE YOU to publish your algorithms, source code, and implementations to the group for evaluation. if your hypothesis survives a rigorous exercise and proof of its claims, you will be a hero. if your hypothesis, which from this perceptive point appears to be vapourware, goes down in flames, you will be no worse a fool than any of the last crop of bulletproof pretenders. and that, my friend is living in the real world, not even the fast lane. the rest of your letter is hokey. ...it's your move. attila out... ------------ balance of your original drivel follows ----------- >Well, lets start: >1) The is no "secret" behind the VME flowchart - we have filed with the US >patent office, and when it's approved, anybody in the world can see the >flowcharts and diagrams. >2) We have given a select 250 major software corporations ALL of the >flowcharts, diagrams and even a WORKING COPY of the VME application. >3) Why don't we do the same with the general public ? a copule of reasons: > a) Due to VME key size (1 million bits) we are forbidden by the US export laws >to put > it on the Internet, which is a world wide platform (see Paul Zimerman & PGP >case). > b) For the above reasons we can not put any of the flowcharts, diagrams or a >demo of > of the application without violating the law and getting Big Bro real >upset. > c) VME is currently targeted at the large corporations and a site licensing >fee is > currently a $1,000,000 annualy, so we have no "General Use" version for >public use. >But, as I mentioned before, the top 250 software corporations DO HAVE the >flowcharts, diagrams and a working copy of VME. Therefore, we do have a team of >the leading cryptographers working on VME to credit or discredit our claims, >and that was the challenge all about to begin with. >Thank you for your interest in VME. >Saul Backal, >Project Manager. p.s. - I've noticed too late of the title to your email - just for your knowledge, the million dollars challenge have ended May 15,1997 and the current challenge bear no monetary prize. Take Care, Saul. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQBVAwUBNGwYjrR8UA6T6u61AQHMTQH9HWjpk7vS6YfvyXRgQdy70X4YoptHA2Q4 asWcwSr962+JHNqbNPEgaBJbZWT4vesR+NsOtOCUNy4ylatwO3WeLA== =ymMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Nader on CBS
by Carol Anne Cypherpunk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ralph was just on CBS "Up-To-The-Minute", bashing MS.... I think it is running every hour, so you might still be able to get it on the West Coast. I wonder though, if all this "Bill-Bashing" is somehow causing problems in the financial markets. Yet "Bill-Bashing" in the political sense doesn't seem to have done that. hmmmm... http://uttm.com/drive/ is their site, and there is a RealAudio clip available for the day owls..... Member Internet Society - Certified Mining Co. Guide - Webmistress *********************************************************************** Carol Anne Braddock (cab8) carolann(a)censored.org 206.165.50.96 My Homepage The Cyberdoc *********************************************************************** Will lobby Congress for Food & Expenses!!!

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Re: MEGAVAPOUR ENCRYPTION [was CHALLENGE to Meganet VME...]
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun wrote: > on or about 971108:1121, in <3.0.32.19971108112126.006dab28(a)ibcnet.com>, > Matrix Encryption <matrix(a)meganet.com> was purported to have > expostulated to perpetuate an opinion: > >Dear Atilla, > 1. I do not believe your claim that you have placed your > encryption with 250 of the top software companies > 2. I do not believe you _ever_ had the $1 million prize > money for your alleged contest. > 3. I do not believe you even have a working model or beta > release of the software. > 4. I do not believe you are doing anything other than > putting us all on. I shook down their entire web site and could find no indication that these fuckers even existed before Oct. 30/97. (Shortly before their announcement of the supposed million dollar encryption challenge that expired in May/97, which no cryptographer I know has ever seemed to have heard of.) It is also interesting that there seems to be no actual mention of real, live people connected to their corporation, whom one can contact. (Although there is contact information for their press agents.) Meganet is either one of the best Bad-Encryption spoofs to the list, to date, or one of the best Bad-Encryption scams going. Maybe Maganet was formed by the press agent that DataETRetch fired. That would explain why they only seemed to have offered their challenge to corporations with no cypherpunks in them. I will shortly be announcing my Million Dollar Encryption Challenge which, unfortunately, expired on Jan 1, 1754. (However, if you check the Document Source on the files at my web site, they will confirm that the HTML document announcing the challenge was created in 1753.) BaitrickS MegaNut <bs(a)meganut.com> "Navel Ho' encryption products since 1753."

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Nov 12, 1997 at 01:16:36AM -0800, Blanc wrote: > Kent Krispin wrote: > > >Tim, like many, rationalizes his simmering anger by blaming it all on > >the "bastids in the gubmit". But it doesn't take much insight to see > >that there is something a little deeper going on, something a little > >sad. > .................................................. > > > By jove, I think I've "got" it - there *is* something deeper going on here: > > Tim is really an undercover 'narc' - through his provocative remarks he's > actually encouraging all the violent terrorists on the list to come out of > their lurking holes and reveal themselves. Then he's going to turn them > all in for a cash reward, which he'll use to buy more high-tech stock. > > Yeah, that's it! Could be, almost. He wouldn't be a narc -- he would work for another agency -- and he doesn't have to turn them in: they reveal themselves. In any case, he serves the function, whether deliberately or not. This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Re: Key Signing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing a key which has the > private keys made public - so I signed it, and revoked it, > and you're welcome to the signed revocation certificate :-) > > The keyserver says it accepted the certificate, but doesn't > find it when I query it for the key, but then it did that to me > earlier today, so I'm not sure if it's there or not. > (It's the server at http://www.pgp.com/keyserver/pks-lookup.cgi .) > > The KeyID was 0x61C747B1 - 512-bit RSA The PGP Keyserver could not find the key when accessed from the PGP web site (Find a Public Key), but when requesting it from inside PGP 5.0, it retrieved the key, revoking the key on my secret key ring, in the process. Necessarily Knott, ME (Although it _may_ be me, since I have not signed the message... Or is it the other way around? This is getting confusing.)

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Re: Key Signing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > I'm not sure how comfortable I am signing a key which has the > private keys made public - so I signed it, and revoked it, > and you're welcome to the signed revocation certificate :-) BTW, I was farting around and discovered that I could change the password on a revoked secret key. This means that someone can crack the password on your revoked secret key if they have access to it. This would make your new key vulnerable if you used the same password. I suppose this qualifies as PGP trivia, but if it saves the life of just one fascist dicator... !Knott (Who's dare?)

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Developing Non-Commercial Products with the PGPsdk!
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:23:46 -0800 To: mac crypto list <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)vmeng.com> Subject: Developing Non-Commercial Products with the PGPsdk! Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk Status: U --- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:22:04 -0800 To: vinnie(a)vmeng.com From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)pgp.com> Subject: Developing Non-Commercial Products with the PGPsdk Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Attention: freeware and non-commercial developers. PGP would like to encourage the development and deployment of PGP Secured freeware or other non-commercial products and will grant you a licence to develop to the PGPsdk and distribute the PGPsdk shared libraries with your non-commercial application. We have added a special section for freeware or non-commercial developers to the PGPsdk website http://www.pgp.com/sdk/ Shareware developers take note: PGP hasn't forgoten about you. we are working on a licence agreement forS hareware or small developers too. Stay Tunned! ________________________________________________________________________ _ PGP Developer Support main: 415.572.0430 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. 2121 S. El Camino Real <sdkinfo(a)pgp.com> http://www.pgp.com/sdk/ San Mateo, CA 94403 DH Key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE12C71C1 ________________________________________________________________________ __ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNGunuIjx9Q4HClz/EQKWRACfXp9rkKs+OFu5jnl3Y3nXdn2WqIcAoOFr /+NBznWGPMHC/mPIP6ZUfCE6 =Mv4V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text Vinnie Moscaritolo http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 "You can get a lot more with a smile and a gun then a smile, alone." - Al Capone --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Scared of US; Where to relocate?
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > It has become very clear to me over the past few years that amerika > > is headed for some pretty rough times, and I've decided to leave before > > it becomes illegal for me to do so. The only question is, where to? > > Comet CypherPunk Bop-Shoo-Bop will be approaching close to earth > in late 1999 to drop off Jesus and pick up the CypherPunks. > We're meeting at Tim's place. > {Anyone who makes it to the pick-up site get's a T-shirt that says, > "Darwin was right!"} A splinter group of cypherpunks will be taking a boat from Anguilla to the volcanic island of Montserrat for a religious experience. The prophecy is that at 2:33 during the afternoon of Feb 26th, 1998 the island will be consumed by total darkness. T-shirts expected. Watch http://fc98.ai/ for details. -- Vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vincent Cate Offshore Information Services Vince(a)Offshore.com.ai http://www.offshore.com.ai/ Anguilla, BWI http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> >This illustrates what a liability the poster has become to the >cypherpunks. The group is becoming just another militia front, >identified with racism and white supremacy, applauding violent murder >of government agents, one step from applauding the Oklahoma killings. >Its original purpose all but forgotten, the list has died, poisoned >by the hatred flowing from its leader. What would be the most effective way of managing the problem you perceive? Probably by writing the kinds of articles you would like to see on the list. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGtyvpaWtjSmRH/5AQGnuAf8DuLcPSSxta4H5/1C0Apwn98wB2sSn4NT 4VcIfgZo/xQrQcb5HjMIj6F1mJ2modxqM4o33/SqKjceMZxGKPh3lmzraiogM7TS V/saJqc0hS4Dx7FheUeA6l6WO1vlLmDBgWBF6Wza4F2finYdviB7YOKA2PW9Qm9w uC1SQEO90mZfNHbQPYUAFXmVMSf9fvLbJL273YViV8NDWI6Fgca9gc5MZKuOyv2G 1IreweSHPfJLi0005bMKFrQWdMW+0DPUBoDTXLAzL87b9P7oRL+iDdrGqF9tc2H8 SJQ8WZpi2/tCMK15UQyNkFydm3gS29wjhToZQWK07T18SC6tDqcpww== =vTAR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Find the Mole in the Mirror
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- John Young wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >>The right thing to do is to assume there are a certain number of moles >>around and engineer your activities accordingly. If you really think >>you can Find The Mole, then I would think your first step is to keep >>quiet about what you are doing. > >Like, if you will, Monty Cantsin, the venerable generic pseudonym for >sub rosa strategems. You fingering yourselves, Monty? > >If you haven't been IDed as a mole here yet, you will, probably by >your own woefully engineered statements. > >All of us are moles for one ideology or another, maybe for several if >the blowing wind tosses us that way. What's the point of being here >if not for relishment of deceitful faux combat, to draw out the enemy >(enemies) as Tim and Bob admirably display in their artful allure of >ulterior motivated peacemakers and condescendors, me for one, as >Declan love jousts CDT, as many us pisswind DC, NWO, ZOG, Armenians, >Nipponese. No, I mean a real mole. The kind that gets people killed or imprisoned. Actually, the nature of this particular group imposes some twists on Find The Mole. If this were some church group, and we tapped the phone of a suspected mole, and all we could get is 3DES encrypted speech, we could be pretty sure we found one. But that doesn't work around here. Anytime you see somebody doing something unusual, it is just as likely to mean it's Just Another Cypherpunk Who Is Up To Something. Likewise, operators of a mole will have a terrible time determining mole loyalty. A problem with informants is that they sometimes discover the target group is made up of pretty reasonable people and go native. And since using remailers is part of the cover... Moles can burrow in two directions. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGtwoZaWtjSmRH/5AQFW1Af9Fu1B4bSiUbIiJuJnE48Xv/qScqldFqzT htUV4ZPHNzNvb3hQpaZMq5P1Lnyil2ZyhCA7u8ld6zbwfTc9JNMxb6OmWQN+pXdt 5ceDScGKtbp5uLtyaW0MbRvYPhY9RTvCl4IQbu++6AojiGd6/JxJFHD8L7XOlWV6 /IgfJ4r3aldRXZQpo+jTN2BL4HuvcrUSbBcj4H/rT7iZTS+Id1ZaR2FwxT01+z1g NaNxjaa83zlCyIUfRydPCmUPzk1lBjVQ3D6FKJjQ2A/PpQAly0Ynz6WQEYqE8h5N vA7vlm7W48kDS86DvK7RCaSe0w19BHcWQxyhDprAYUQ+XIrD2jZNaA== =mzrr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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