December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

PGP and CMR: Just a Few Lines...
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A point that I still feel gets lost by some participants in this issue is that the changes to PGP for CMR/GMR are very minor -- all that needs to occur is to get the CMR keys from wherever they are stored, and then add them as additional recipients. The political value of persuading PGP to adopt CDR >> actual technical value, as the change to CMR should involve < 10 lines of code (said, of course, without actually inspecting the code :). ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-POP3-Rcpt: declan(a)relay.pathfinder.com >From: spencer_ante(a)webmagazine.com >X-Lotus-FromDomain: PCWORLD >To: whgiii(a)invweb.net >cc: hallam(a)ai.mit.edu, declan(a)well.com, aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk, tcmay(a)got.net, > fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:36:44 -0700 >Subject: Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >X-Loop: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >X-FC-URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ >X-FC-URL: To join send "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request(a)vorlon.mit.edu > > >So, I was driving to work this morning listening to KQED's Forum program >and lo and behold: Good 'ol Michael Krasny is leading a discussion on >surveillance in the workplace that centered around a new survey/special >report that PC World just published in its November issue. > >You Are Being Watched >An exclusive PC World survey of 200 company executives shows that more and >more businesses are >monitoring their employees' Web use. Here's the lowdown on what you should >know about surfing >the Net on company time. > >http://www.pcworld.com/workstyles/online/articles/nov97/1511p245.html > >Should provide some interesting points for discussion. > ><<<S>>> >

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No Subject
by LEANDRO R. PREDA 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please I need your help! I need of coputers virus , To I infectin the my computers school

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP > AWAY FROM GAK. FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT > IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK! FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR > ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK!! FORCING ENCRYPTION TO > MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM GAK!! > !!!*FORCING ENCRYPTION TO MULTIPLE KEYS FOR ONE RECIPIENT IS ONE > STEP AWAY FROM GAK*!!! Mark, just remove the self signature on the user key. The message recovery key packet goes away! That's all you have to do. Is that so tough? This big threat, the dangerous CMR key, turns out to take two seconds of user actions to be destroyed. Something this easy to turn off will never be good enough for GAK. People say, "Oh, but then the government will make everybody run the policy enforcer and reject any mail not encryped to the government." First, if they were going to do this, they could do it with old versions of PGP too. Multiple recipients have been around practically forever. Second, it's a ridiculous idea which ignores how email works. More and more people are running systems at home which could send and receive SMTP mail. The trend is towards home servers which support the multiple home computers people will have in the next decade. There's no way to make those people run filters! People say, "Oh, but they'll make it illegal to receive mail at home without going through an ISP." I'm serious, this has actually been suggested on this list. It has to be suggested, because it's the only way this incredibly stupid scenario could be made to work. I can only assume that people are blinded by emotions or they wouldn't suggest such a bizarre idea. Making it illegal to implement probably the most widely used internet protocol package (email) would be a totally unprecedented, invasive, unjustifiable and unenforcable intervention by government. If the only way the government can enforce GAK is by making it illegal for people to receive email through paths which don't pass through government filters we can all rest easy, because it will never happen. Even for the cases where filtering is done (like businesses), there are easy countermeasures, described by no other than Jon Callas, PGP's chief scientist! Why would he say this if there were a massive conspiracy to enable GAK? He's also the one who explained the point above about the self signature. He has suggested two other easy workarounds: Modify the PGP 5.0 source to put a fake recipient block on it. How many companies release their source so that you could do this? Or superencrypt to the real end user, like you suggested in your scheme. Why is this OK as a privacy workaround for your idea but it doesn't count for PGP? Then people say, "Oh, but PGP shouldn't have written the SMTP filter anyway (or at least they shouldn't have put that one policy in) because it would make it easier for the government to make everybody use it." Ignoring all the considerations above about what a stupid idea this is, the fact is that a simple filter like this is incredibly easy to write. I'm sure a skilled Perl hacker like Adam Back could put together something to check that a PGP message is encrypted to a desired key in a few hours. There are already Perl scripts out there to help parse PGP messages. You just have to look at the recipients and compare with the key you want to see. The existence of such a filter is totally insignificant in the big picture. If we are ever forced into a GAK system and filtering turns out to be a part of the picture, it will be trivial for such filters to be created. PGP's SMTP product will not make any difference one way or the other. The fact is, nobody has come up with a scenario where PGP's CMR feature can be turned into GAK in any practical way. They have to assume that all kinds of changes and additions are made - inability to remove CMR keys, forcing everyone to run SMTP filters, making it illegal to receive email at home, preventing people from implementing clients with workarounds, changing the technology to make it harder to implement workarounds using binding cryptography. Any system can be turned into GAK if you're allowed to postulate these kinds of changes. And the fact is that every GAK system so far designed can be trivially defeated. The big GAK danger has always been that the encryption manufacturers would release GAK-only versions of their software, so that you have a choice between an easy to use system with GAK support, or a difficult and balky product like PGP 2.6.2, distributed via underground means and with GAK workarounds. Now at last you can be sure that even if the very worst happens, you will at least have the convenience and ease of use of PGP 5.0 as the GAK disabled product, via a non-GAK international version. This doesn't have anything to do with PGP's policies or motives; it is strictly because of PGP 5.0's source distribution, which will make it easy for cypherpunks to modify it to look compliant with GAK while using superencryption or some other technology to avoid it. No longer will it be a choice between convenient GAK or clumsy non-GAK, opening the latter option only to cypherpunks and hackers. Now people opposed to GAK will be guaranteed an option of making their software at least as easy to use as PGP 5.0. If source code becomes available for PGP 5.5, that will raise the guaranteed ease of use of non-GAK software even further (by all accounts, 5.5 has an even better interface than 5.0). The existence of these products in source code form will forever stand as a barrier to any hope to coax (most) people into using GAK software by forcing it into built-in products, leaving the alternative of non-GAK software only to a tiny minority. This in itself should monkey wrench any government plans for requiring GAK.

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Re: PGP 5.5 and the corporate environment
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Just a small aside. Our help desk handles about 50 to 75 > "I forgot my password" requests per day. This might be one > small motivating factor why corporations desire an alternative > method to recover encrypted files. >From my experience I'm sure most of those are due to daft password aging mechanisms. over-frequent compulsory changes forcing a change at no notice (password expired - think of a new one RIGHT NOW) forcing a new password on Fridays (Monday morning: I know my _old_ password!) I have practically no trouble remembering numerous passphrases upwards of 20 mixed chars if I use them semi-regularly and they don't change often. Anyway, when I have forgotten a long passphrase it has only been temporarily - a few days. If your employee is reasonably confident of decrypting his work within the week you're no worse off than if he'd fluffed his cooking ("stand in boiling water" or something). -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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Re: Note from PGP employee on MRK (sic)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Declan McCullagh wrote: >A friend of mine by the name of Jason Bobier <jason(a)pgp.com> happens >to work at PGP, Inc. I'll preface his comments by pointing out that >I'm sure he doesn't speak for the company in any way. > >> Unfortunately these people just don't get it. Corporations refused >> to buy 5.0 because it did not have any way for the corps to get at >> email encrypted to their employees. There are some very legitimate >> uses of this, such as when an employee dies and someone else has >> to take over for them. >> >> Without corps buying the product, there is no PGP, Inc., and thus >> no dedication of resources to the production of PGP. This leads us >> back to the floundering state of development that PGP was in >> before 5.0. >> >> They also don't seem to realize that you always have the ability >> to remove the MRK (sic) from your list of recipients. >> >> Sometimes I really feel like screaming at these people. _All_ of >> the developers at PGP are personal privacy zealots and no one >> likes the idea of the MRK (sic). That is why we refuse to make them >> required. It is also why there still are freeware and personal >> versions of the product. I wish they would just realize that we >> aren't some evil group of people that are solely plotting how to >> make the most money off of this. Most everyone at PGP has >> internalized personal privacy as a cause (actually most had it >> before they joined PGP). >> >> *sigh* OK, enough ranting. Feel free to quote various parts of >> this if you feel like responding to the list. I would hope that the employees of PGP, Inc. take a deep breath and seriously consider the many cogent and well thought out points its critics have made. We haven't seen much of this, unfortunately. (And those who are claiming that their critics are rude should recall how Dorothy Denning was treated.) It is the unfortunate reality that good people can join a good company which then later does bad things. This can occur due to moles and internal subversion, greed, or simply foolishness. I have seen repeated claims by PGP, Inc. employees that they are privacy zealots. I'm sure some of them really believe what they are saying. But, these points are irrelevant if the result is the wide dispersal of tools which can be effortlessly converted into a mandatory GAK system. A number of people have been arguing that it is necessary for the company to issue snoopware because they can make money doing it. How often have we rejected this argument when the company is AT&T, ITT, Standard Oil, United Fruit, or Microsoft? This rejection is proper, and it applies to PGP, Inc. like any other company. Another claim is that by making money selling snoopware, the proceeds may be taken and used for privacy software. Wouldn't it make more sense to earn money in some more palatable way and then plough the proceeds into a company which is writing privacy software? I'm sure most PGP, Inc. employees would reject the "We had to destroy the village to save it" line of thinking if it were found in any other context. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNE+ow5aWtjSmRH/5AQFsWAf+LWjZNCdR6jdAsffX4PR6KLhX8W+V4jkQ J6odSQNpStVkFhPtcByG+AWaPQLmKxlwVKcO44pQVhTIDhMUlFniSnYtQ/zq+6RF aeqNG7WLE/58g9Pgh78iBOfJ4wKLi/U5dzpdDX1Ua86B8uzcGKVGTerbN6QoFwH2 aOd2tytomYWmFQeMdguN43Ak9hP+ruA1dcqrlZjRPhEBhBJOfbYLSYt3GPDn6Cqq jTL/Ui3fu4KHcK8zGgVnXVwQNL0XubBhQmTZ54ohxywejt1A2Q4g4sh0oxvSCEDY giqk4uElp5an7K+N1tY+vExvkjdRkjsAQEtFAgp4fzHozbS5jNXBWA== =FFl7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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US Senator Lott Criticizes FBI Crypto Plans (fwd)
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An entity claiming to be Matthew Gaylor wrote: >From freematt(a)coil.com Thu Oct 23 18:18:01 1997 X-Sender: freematt(a)bronze.coil.com Message-Id: <v0213050bb0756fe15ee5(a)[198.4.94.192]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:01:40 -0400 To: freematt(a)coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) From: freematt(a)coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Subject: US Senator Lott Criticizes FBI Crypto Plans From: "--Todd Lappin-->" <telstar(a)wired.com> Subject: Senator Lott Criticizes FBI Crypto Plans Posted to the fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu mailing list URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ To join send "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request(a)vorlon.mit.edu From: http://www.cdt.org/crypto/legis_105/lott.html In a statement entered into the Congressional Record, Senator Lott urged his Senate colleagues to "deal with reality" by passing legislation to relax cold-war era export controls on encryption, and to reject FBI efforts to impose new domestic law enforcement access requirements. Full text from: http://www.cdt.org/crypto/legis_105/971021_lott.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ENCRYPTION (Senate - October 21, 1997) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Page: S10879] Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I would like to report to my colleagues on the activities in the House to establish a new export policy on encryption. This is an issue that is still at the top of my list of legislation I hope this Congress can resolve within the next 2 months. The House's actions last month turned a spotlight on how this issue should ultimately be resolved. Let me briefly review the issue. Encryption is a mathematical way to scramble and unscramble digital computer information during transmission and storage. The strength of encryption is a function of its size, as measured in computer bits. The more bits an encryption system has, the more difficult it is for someone else to illegally unscramble or hack into that information. Today's computer encryption systems commonly used by businesses range from 40 bits in key length to 128 bits. A good hacker, let's say a criminal or a business competitor, can readily break into a computer system safeguarded by a lower-technology 40-bit encryption system. On the other hand, the 128-bit encryption systems are much more complex and pose a significant challenge to any would-be hacker. Obviously, all of us would prefer to have the 128-bit systems. And equally as important, we would like to buy such systems from American companies. Firms we can routinely and safely do business with. Foreign companies and individuals also want to buy such systems from American companies. They admire and respect our technological expertise, and trust our business practices. The United States remains the envy of the world in terms of producing top-notch encryption and information security products. However, current regulations prohibit U.S. companies from exporting encryption systems stronger than the low-end, 40-bit systems. A few exceptions have been made for 56-bit systems. Until recently, it has been the administration's view that stronger encryption products are so inherently dangerous they should be classified at a level equal to munitions, and that the export of strong encryption must be heavily restricted. While we are restricting our own international commerce, foreign companies are now manufacturing and selling stronger, more desirable encryption systems, including the top-end 128-bit systems, anywhere in the world they want. Clearly, our policy doesn't make sense. Just as clearly, our export policies on encryption have not kept up to speed with either the ongoing changes in encryption technology or the needs and desires of foreign markets for U.S. encryption products. My intention is neither to jeopardize our national security nor harm law enforcement efforts. I believe we must give due and proper regard to the national security and law enforcement implications of any changes in our policy regarding export of encryption technology. But it is painfully obvious we must modernize our export policies on encryption technology, so that U.S. companies can participate in the world's encryption marketplace. The legislative initiative on this issue has always been about exports, but this summer that changed. During the past month, the FBI has attempted to change the debate by proposing a series of new mandatory controls on the domestic sale and use of encryption products. Let me be clear. There are currently no restrictions on the rights of Americans to use encryption to protect their personal financial or medical records or their private e-mail messages. There have never been domestic limitations, and similarly, American businesses have always been free to buy and use the strongest possible encryption to protect sensitive information from being stolen or changed. But now, the FBI proposes to change all that. The FBI wants to require that any company that produces or offers encryption security products or services guarantee immediate access to plain text information without the knowledge of the user. Their proposal would subject software companies and telecommunications providers to prison sentences for failure to guarantee immediate access to all information on the desktop computers of all Americans. That would move us into an entirely new world of surveillance, a very intrusive surveillance, where every communication by every individual can be accessed by the FBI. Where is probable cause? Why has the FBI assumed that all Americans are going to be involved in criminal activities? Where is the Constitution? And how would this proposal possibly help the FBI? According to a forthcoming book by the M.I.T. Press, of the tens of thousands of cases handled annually by the FBI, only a handful have involved encryption of any type, and even fewer involved encryption of computer data. Let's face it--despite the movies, the FBI solves its cases with good old-fashioned police work, questioning potential witnesses, gathering material evidence, and using electronic bugging or putting microphones on informants. Restricting encryption technology in the U.S. would not be very helpful to the FBI. The FBI proposal won't work. I have talked with experts in the world of software and cryptography, who have explained that the technology which would provide compliance with the FBI standard simply does not exist. The FBI proposal would force a large unfunded mandate on our high technology firms, at a time when there is no practical way to accomplish that mandate. Rather than solve problems in our export policy, this FBI proposal would create a whole new body of law and regulations restricting our domestic market. This and similar proposals would also have a serious impact on our foreign market. Overseas businesses and governments believe that the U.S. might use its keys to computer encryption systems to spy on their businesses and politicians. Most U.S. software and hardware manufacturers believe this is bad for business and that nobody will trust the security of U.S. encryption products if this current policy continues. In fact, this proposal appears to violate the European Union's data-privacy laws, and the European Commission is expected to reject it this week. So, the FBI proposal would: Invade our privacy; be of minimal use to the FBI; would require nonexistent technology; would create new administrative burdens; and would seriously damage our foreign markets. This is quite a list. Mr. President, the FBI proposal is simply wrong. I have learned that even the administration does not support this new FBI proposal. So why does the FBI believe it must now subject all Americans to more and more surveillance? This independent action by the FBI has created confusion and mixed signals which are troublesome for the Senate as it works on this legislation. Perhaps the FBI and the Justice Department need to focus immediately on a coordinated encryption position. Mr. President, I congratulate the members of the House Commerce Committee for rejecting this FBI approach by a vote margin of more than 2 to 1. I am sure all of my colleagues are sympathetic to the fact that emerging technologies create new problems for the FBI. But we must acknowledge several truths as Congress goes forward to find this new policy solution. People increasingly need strong information security through encryption and other means to protect their personal and business information. This demand will grow, and somebody will meet it. In the long term, it is clearly in our national interest that U.S. companies meet the market demand. Individuals and businesses will either obtain that protection from U.S. firms or from foreign firms. I firmly believe that all of our colleagues want American firms to successfully compete for this business. Today there are hundreds of suppliers of strong encryption in the world marketplace. Strong encryption can be easily downloaded off the Internet. Even if Congress wanted to police or eliminate encryption altogether, I am not sure that is doable. So, let's deal with reality. Clamping down on the constitutional rights of American citizens, in an attempt to limit the use of a technology, is the wrong solution. The wrong solution. This is especially true with encryption technology because it has so many beneficial purposes. It prevents hackers and espionage agents from stealing valuable information, or worse, from breaking into our own computer networks. It prevents them from disrupting our power supply, our financial markets, and our air traffic control system. This is scary--and precisely why we want this technology to be more available. Only a balanced solution is acceptable. Ultimately, Congress must empower Americans to protect their own information. Americans should not be forced to only communicate in ways that simply make it more convenient for law enforcement officials. This is not our national tradition. It is not consistent with our heritage. It should not become a new trend. Mr. President, I would like to establish a framework to resolve this difficult issue. I hope to discuss it with the chairmen and ranking members of the key committees. I especially look forward to working with the chairman of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Subcommittee on Communications, Senator Burns. He was the first to identify this issue and try to solve it legislatively. His approach on this issue has always been fair and equitable, attempting to balance industry wants with law enforcement requirements. I believe there are other possible ideas which could lead to a consensus resolution of the encryption issue. It is my hope that industry and law enforcement can come together to address these issues, not add more complexity and problems. The bill passed by the House Commerce Committee included a provision establishing a National Encryption Technology Center. It would be funded by in-kind contributions of hardware, software, and technological expertise. The National Encryption Technology Center would help the FBI stay on top of encryption and other emerging computer technologies. This is a big step. This is a big step in the right direction. It is time to build on that positive news to resolve encryption policy. Mr. President, there is an op-ed piece which appeared in the Wall Street Journal on Friday, September 26. It is well written and informative, despite the fact that its author is a good friend of mine. Mr. Jim Barksdale is the president and CEO of Netscape Communications and is well-versed in encryption technology. Mr. Barksdale's company does not make encryption products; they license such products from others. They sell Internet and business software and, as Jim has told me many times, his customers require strong encryption features and will buy those products either from us or foreign companies. Again, let's deal with reality. The credit union manager in Massachusetts, the real estate agent in Mississippi, the father writing an e-mail letter to his daughter attending a California university, each want privacy and security when using the computer. They will buy the best systems available to ensure that privacy and security. And, in just the same way, the banker in Brussels, Belgium, the rancher in Argentina, and the mother writing e-mail to her daughter in a university in Calcutta, India, each of these people also want privacy and security. They also will buy the best systems available to ensure that privacy and security. And they want encryption systems they trust--American systems. That's what this debate is about. Mr. President, if Congress does not modernize our export controls, we run the real risk of destroying the American encryption industry. And we risk giving a significant and unfair advantage to our foreign business competitors. [Page: S10881] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 Archived at http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=FA@coil.com ************************************************************************** -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger."

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Snoop Remailer Statistics
by Snoop Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Snoop Remailer Statistics for week ending Oct 23, 1997: Percentage of PGP Employees anonymously supporting PGP 5.5: 35% Percentage of PGP Employees anonymously slamming PGP 5.5: 35% Percentage of PGP Employees anonymously pissing in both directions: 35% Percentage of PGP Employees anonymously fooling anyone: 2% Percentage of PGP Employees who can't figure out how to use anonymous remailers: 3% Percentage of PGP Employees about to quit using the Snoop Remailer: 100%

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Lucky Green wrote: >I have watched this silly debate for some time now. PGP pulled an >awsome hack on corporate America, bringing strong crypto to thousands >of corporate drones, while Cypherpunks, the crypto elite, seems >incapable of reponding with anything other than to engage in frenzied >mutual masturbation fueld by GAK fantasies. > >This is sad. Very sad. What is sad is that people who are capable of expositing their beliefs in a clear and coherent way choose instead to stoop to name calling. Wouldn't it be more effective to explain exactly how our views are "silly"? If what you say makes sense, some of us may even agree with you. You describe PGP's achievement as "an awsome hack on corporate America". Yet, Jason Bobier, an employee of PGP, Inc. says "_All_ of the developers at PGP are personal privacy zealots and no one likes the idea of the MRK." What is it that has Jason and his friends concerned? Clearly there are legitimate concerns and some people inside PGP, Inc. have them like everyone else. For that matter, why was it that Phil Zimmermann spoke out against exactly this sort of product not so long ago? What was it that concerned Phil? Why is this concern no longer relevant to the point of being "silly"? While we are at it, why was it that we didn't like Clipper? After all, its use was entirely voluntary and it would have disseminated crypto widely. In many instances, it would actually be preferable to 'PGP for Business' because the Feds wouldn't be tattling to your employer if you were considering employment elsewhere or complaining about your boss. 'PGP for Business' doesn't have the government's key built in, but the infrastructure is all there. It will get people accustomed to the idea that it is reasonable to be under constant surveillance by your employer, an idea which is easily extended to other listeners. And we've already seen members of Congress using 'PGP for Business' to justify GAK. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNE/J3ZaWtjSmRH/5AQF1Qwf/SA169EBTJ5XPC7By/nkiUMYNb9kZLoRP FExdNTiKw0hsRP45i99YhKebCifFwHCgGxhCu/Shw8RkHMWziVt0AhvcVUq4FM67 rHDQ9rzX6JTra8yI+esHmxk7A8C/FlaJJP7HHI38kBzd9XP9HMb7FE/OBF39sYvs RYE6VPKfXv4dL44j90PrJHeTaKRZCDObsauuGWBvynzsZRNNp90dXU9SJiBXQV3e rtmr0bo+IGmumiI1zpMta2jHguCH+16YWlaOoIOe6Ql5fh6KLqTouI+o5PlHM31S eqL6uLdEBUOwVFgbTtcdOlJbnWCvNLVgy/y9AhEr1sU0qYbC+jFcEA== =cVS2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by apache＠bear.apana.org.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WARNING: Bad signature, doesn't match file contents! Bad signature from user "Monty Cantsin". Signature made 1997/10/23 19:43 GMT using 2047-bit key, key ID A6447FF9 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > >A friend of mine by the name of Jason Bobier <jason(a)pgp.com> happens > >to work at PGP, Inc. I'll preface his comments by pointing out that > >I'm sure he doesn't speak for the company in any way. [...] > I'm sure most PGP, Inc. employees would reject the "We had to destroy > the village to save it" line of thinking if it were found in any other > context. > > Monty Cantsin > Editor in Chief > Smile Magazine > http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html > http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQEVAwUBNE+ow5aWtjSmRH/5AQFsWAf+LWjZNCdR6jdAsffX4PR6KLhX8W+V4jkQ > J6odSQNpStVkFhPtcByG+AWaPQLmKxlwVKcO44pQVhTIDhMUlFniSnYtQ/zq+6RF > aeqNG7WLE/58g9Pgh78iBOfJ4wKLi/U5dzpdDX1Ua86B8uzcGKVGTerbN6QoFwH2 > aOd2tytomYWmFQeMdguN43Ak9hP+ruA1dcqrlZjRPhEBhBJOfbYLSYt3GPDn6Cqq > jTL/Ui3fu4KHcK8zGgVnXVwQNL0XubBhQmTZ54ohxywejt1A2Q4g4sh0oxvSCEDY > giqk4uElp5an7K+N1tY+vExvkjdRkjsAQEtFAgp4fzHozbS5jNXBWA== > =FFl7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

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