December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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NSA Job Offer
by William J. Clinton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Randall I saw your post on the cypherpunks list debunking the forgery of my good friend Phill Zimmerman. As you are no doubt aware my Deputy Director of the NSA retired recently and I've decided that Barbie is no longer suitable following certain uncomplimentary remarks she made after a fireside shagging^H^H^H^Hchat we had last night. I am therefore looking for a supersluth to fill this challenging position. If you would be interested in taking the bit between your teeth, so to speak, please email me and we'll do lunch. -- Bill C. "The next person who mentions my penis gets an ICBM up their ass"

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Spoofing
by semprini＠theschool.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't think I'm out of line here in saying that all this spoofing of other users is a bit childish. I'm sure there are better things one could find to do with one's time. (Possibly work on cracking RSA's 128- bit key?) --Dylan

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Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking?
by spencer_ante＠webmagazine.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

With all due respect to Tim May: As a person whose been at work on a very long feature about PGP Inc. for Wired, I can tell you that businesses really don't care that much about PGP's civil liberties advocacy. In fact, its rep could hurt as much as help them. The Fortune 500 is much more pragmatic: They want solutions that work, that help them maintain security for their intellectual property and capital. To that extent, PGP 5.5--which enables IS directors to manage a public key infrastructure and enforce company-wide security policies-- is a step in the right direction. But with this new product, I agree that they run the risk of alienating their core user group of cypherpunks and hackers. Encryption is a very complicated topic that doesn't lend itself well to sloganeering and histrionics. And one major thing that needs to be pointed out: PGP's key recovery system is *voluntary and private*--not mandatory and gov. controlled, which is what the Feds and Louis Freeh have been pushing for. One potential positive side effect of PGP 5.5 is that it could realign the crypto debate and force people to consider this question: Whose back door should netizens be more worried about: Big Brother or The Boss? Spencer E. Ante Associate Editor THE WEB Magazine To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu cc: (bcc: Spencer Ante/PCWORLD) Subject: Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking? At 1:45 PM -0700 10/22/97, Anonymous wrote: >>Agreed. What amazes me is how PGP, Inc. would decide this should be a core >>part of their company. "PGP for Business," indeed. What were they thinking? > >Um, maybe that they wanted to stay in business? This is a truism, that businesses want to stay in business. (And thrive, etc.) The interesting question is whether this action will help them. Why it may not is what we're talking about. For example, if PGP loses its "little guy fighting the system" image, and the company is seen as a major supplier of snoopware and GMR systems, it will have squandered the good will which led many of us to support PGP. And it's by no means clear that corporations will pay enough for PGP for Business if this good will has been squandered. The free status of most versions of PGP is indeed an impediment to PGP making a profit. That's an unchangeable situation. Lots of copies of PGP are already out there, and lots more are available from many sites. The "commercial use" vs. "personal use" dichotomy is largely unenforceable. If Joe Employee uses PGP 2.6 or even 5.0 for his messages, PGP, Inc. will have a very hard time proving in court that Joe or his employer can be held liable for this use (at most, maybe Joe will have to pay $50 or so...and probably not even that, as PGP 5.0 is not serialized (so far as I can find) and records aren't kept...Joe can just claim he did in fact buy it, blah blah). This means PGP, Inc. faces a Netscape-like battle in finding revenue sources. Will they succeed? Will people like us continue to give PGP, Inc. the good will it has enjoyed? Stay tuned. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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(Fwd from f-c) Note from PGP employee on MRK
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-POP3-Rcpt: declan(a)relay.pathfinder.com >Subject: Re: PGP, Inc.--What were they thinking? >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 20:38:14 -0400 >x-sender: Jamie-McCarthy.org(a)mm.mailbank.com >From: Jamie McCarthy <jamie(a)mccarthy.org> >To: <fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu> >cc: "Jason Bobier" <jason(a)pgp.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >X-Loop: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >X-FC-URL: Fight-Censorship is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/ >X-FC-URL: To join send "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request(a)vorlon.mit.edu > >A friend of mine by the name of Jason Bobier <jason(a)pgp.com> happens >to work at PGP, Inc. I'll preface his comments by pointing out that >I'm sure he doesn't speak for the company in any way. > >> Unfortunately these people just don't get it. Corporations refused >> to buy 5.0 because it did not have any way for the corps to get at >> email encrypted to their employees. There are some very legitimate >> uses of this, such as when an employee dies and someone else has >> to take over for them. >> >> Without corps buying the product, there is no PGP, Inc., and thus >> no dedication of resources to the production of PGP. This leads us >> back to the floundering state of development that PGP was in >> before 5.0. >> >> They also don't seem to realize that you always have the ability >> to remove the MRK from your list of recipients. >> >> Sometimes I really feel like screaming at these people. _All_ of >> the developers at PGP are personal privacy zealots and no one >> likes the idea of the MRK. That is why we refuse to make them >> required. It is also why there still are freeware and personal >> versions of the product. I wish they would just realize that we >> aren't some evil group of people that are solely plotting how to >> make the most money off of this. Most everyone at PGP has >> internalized personal privacy as a cause (actually most had it >> before they joined PGP). >> >> *sigh* OK, enough ranting. Feel free to quote various parts of >> this if you feel like responding to the list. >> >> Jason > > >-- > Jamie McCarthy new email => jamie(a)mccarthy.org > homepage: http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/ > fan of: http://www.nizkor.org/ >

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[RANT] Why America Can't Compete
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've just uncovered a massive plot to destroy our nation's competitiveness and inculcate its young people in the collectivist mentality. The tool? Youth sports! This morning's AP wire reports that two football coaches are suing a youth football league after being banned for life because their 11 and 12 year old players won by too large a point spread. Apparently, and I find this truly shocking, it is a common practice in youth sports today to have a rule limiting the number of points by which a game may be won, with horrendous sanctions for violating it. Winning by more than that, it is argued, is "demoralizing" to the other team, and (Gasp!) UNETHICAL! Once the designated point spread is reached, coaches must order their players to deliberately lose, play badly, and act retarded. I became aware of this idiotic practice after I mentioned the AP article to several people, and rather than throwing up their arms in horror, they volunteered that their own local teams had such rules as well. It's time to check closely, to make sure such shenanigans are not afoot in your town, polluting the entrepreneurial spirit of your very own children. Imagine if Ross Perot had played on such a team, or Bill Gates, or Adolf Hitler? The entire course of history might have been changed. ----- FRIENDSWOOD, Texas (AP) -- Two volunteer coaches are taking a youth football league to court after they were banned for life because their 11- and 12-year-old players couldn't resist playing hard. After the Sagemont Cowboys destroyed the Friendswood Chiefs 62-0 on Oct. 4, the Bay Area Football League banned twin brothers Roy and Rene Aguilar -- whose team has dominated the league for several years. ``They're saying that because we demoralized the other team and that we are teaching the kids unethical practices that we're out for life,'' Rene Aguilar, the team's assistant coach, said in Wednesday's editions of The Galveston County Daily News. The league has a rule that prohibits teams from winning by more than 42 points. The Aguilars say they told the team to slow down after building a 42-0 lead, but the players couldn't help scoring again. The Friendswood Chiefs, named after this Houston suburb, fumbled the ball in their own end zone and Sagemont recovered to increase its lead to 48-0. Rene Aguilar said the coaches tried to tell the players not to recover the fumble. ``That's confusing to them,'' he said. ``One minute we're trying to tell them to play hard, then we're telling them to lay down.'' Recovering that fumble, according to a league rule, meant a one-game suspension for the head coach and a $100 fine for the team. Rene Aguilar said the Sagemont club president was at the game and told the coaches to handle the situation however they saw fit. ``So we played the rest of the game because we already knew we were going to be penalized,'' he said. The Cowboys went on to score another 14 points. League officials met two days later and gave the Aguilars a lifetime ban. A judge granted the Aguilars a restraining order to prevent the ban from taking effect, but the order expires Friday. The Aguilars met with the league officials late Wednesday for private mediation in an effort to avoid a court hearing Friday. ``We're not allowed to discuss what went on,'' Peggy Bittick, the coaches' attorney, told The Associated Press late Wednesday. ``We're going full force to court.'' Calls to league officials were not returned. Ms. Bittick said she watched a videotape of the game and it appeared that Friendswood was not trying to recover the fumble. ``It looked like the other team just threw up their hands and gave up.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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CMR versus GAK?
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Big Brother or the Boss?" Are you SURE that's a dichotomy? Big Biz and Big Gov are almost inextricably intertwined these days. If dot-com pushes for snoopware, it is called CMR. If dot-gov pushes for it, it is called GAK. The real question is, if the interests of Biz and Gov coincide, and "real cooperation" is achieved, does it really matter where the idea originated? Either way you still have snoopware. Cpl Kaos

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Re: Singaporean control freaks & CMR
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: > The problem is that pgp5.x is both an email encryption system and a > file encryption system. So PGP Inc argue that they need the recovery > features for files. Well OK, but for emails in transit? Define "in transit". Specifically, when exactly does email stop being "in transit". When it is received on a mail server? Transfered to the destination computer? Displayed to the user? Saved in an archive? How long might a piece of email spend "in transit"? Compare and contrast with the amount of time a piece of data from an encrypted phone call spends in transit. Or an SSL protected HTTPS web transaction. Do you understand the difference between transit times of a fraction of a second and of days or weeks? Does this suggest any differences in the need for recovery of encrypted data "in transit"? Not all communications are alike. The longer data spends "in transit" the more need there is for recovery features.

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Singapore TOILET ALERT
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Apologies to my friends in Singapore, but I am NOT making this up. --Declan] And the top five toilets are... SINGAPORE (Reuters) - A drive to keep public toilets clean and dry is meeting with overwhelming success, the Ministry of Environment said in a "toilet alert" Tuesday. The statement said that in the first week "5,000 Singaporans have called the Clean Public Toilets hotline to identify Singapore's model toilets and to vote for their top five favorite toilets." The ministry launched a poster competition earlier in the month featuring three model toilets and inviting the public to identify their locations, as well as to nominate their favorite public toilets in five categories of locations. Various prizes are involved, including a return trip to Hong Kong to be won in a draw. Singapore is known for public campaigns promoting causes ranging from discouraging littering to encouraging people to have more children. ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Is mixmaster dead?
by Russell Nelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lance hasn't updated his mixmaster page in over a year. Is mixmaster dead? -- -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson | Freedom is the Crynwr Software supports freed software | PGPok | primary cause of peace. 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Taxes feed the naked Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | and clothe the hungry.

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