December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

"YOU TOO CAN MAKE MORE THAN $50,000.- "
by Mary 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

YOU DO NOT WANT TO TRASH THIS ONE !!!!!!!!! PLEASE READ THIS AT LEAST TWICE !!!!!!!!!! Please accept my apology if this were sent to you in error! *************************************************************** You could make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days. Read the enclosed program. . . THEN READ IT AGAIN!!! *************************************************************** Dear Friend, The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, … [View More]sometime later I reread everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years, downsized and they eliminated my position. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors more than $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just could not seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER. . .FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via e-mail. Six months before receiving this program, I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk seeing if they worked or not. One claimed I could make a million dollars in one year. . . It didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But as I was saying, in December I received this program. I did not send for it, or ask for it, they got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I could not believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I did not need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it does not turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT#1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DO NOT, THEN SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program. It WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it will not work if you do not try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2. You will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID!! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,500) look like piled up on a kitchen table? It is AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I should not have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DID NOT throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well. I just had to find the right target group of people to e-mail it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously sucessful for me, but it was not working. Finally, I figured it out. It was not me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I do not have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate. . . because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich," inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you FINANCIAL FREEDOM for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made more than FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out more than 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that market this and several other programs here in the US and overseas. By spring, we wish to market the 'Internet' by a partnership with AMERICA ON LINE. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000. . . and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials, and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE$$$$$$$$$$ Let us say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes. We will assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let us also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list, the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. Nevertheless, continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a .5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, or 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 e-mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 e-mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 2,000,000. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That is 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!! Your total income in the example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,000!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. . . AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR JUST 1/2 SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate is practically nothing if you follow the program as it is outlined. You obviously already have an internet connection and e mail is FREE!!! REPORT #3 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get your mail. If you believe that someday you will get that big break that you have been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly. . . 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of the pie!!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold by Multi-Level methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the USA, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in the MLM industry. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millio naires everyday throught Multi-Level Marketing. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what we do: As with all multi-level business, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME AND ARE FILLED THROUGH THE MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. Step (1) Order all four (4) REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering the REPORT from each of the four (4) names listed on the next page. For each REPORT, send $5.00 cash and a SELF-ADDRESSED STAMPED ENVELOPE (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed on that SPECIFIC REPORT. International orders should also include $1.00 extra for return postage. For orders to Canada from the USA NO return postage is required. The USA exchange rate on the $5.00 will cover the return postage, just send the self-addressed envelope with your $5.00. It is essential that you specify the NAME AND NUMBER OF THE REPORT requested of the person you are ordering from. You will need ALL FOUR (4) REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING AND RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with your name, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list, and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING THE PRODUCT OR REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever e-mail program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of BULK E-MAILING and acquiring e-mail lists. Step (4) E-mail a copy of the entire (all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then e-mail to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get e-mail addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in e-mail lists. They are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. *** IMPORTANT *** You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW LIST. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four (4) REPORTS. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5.00 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER!!! ____________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: M. A. STELLATO 584 RIDGEMOUNT CRES. SUITE 201. MISSISSAUGA ONTARIO L5G1Z1 CANADA _____________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM G. P. CALLARMAN P.O.BOX 13526 ODESSA, TEXAS 79768-3526 ____________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: M+P FORGUES Box 2085 Hearst Ontario P0L1N0 CANADA ____________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Associated Business Connections P.O.Box 643 New Albany, OH 43053-0643 ____________________________________________________ CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. Yo u will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs me pennies to produce and e-mail. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times, you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractiv e. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four (4) FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reporduced at a local copy center for a cost of about 5 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and GOOD LUCK! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four (4) REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive an order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECIEVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1, and all the others move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many e-mail addresses as possible to send until you recieve the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four (4) REPORTS so you are able to send them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, e-mail out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 orders or more for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back an relax, because YOU COULD MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathmatically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, everytime your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT IS THAT EASY. REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ********************************************************************** [View Less]

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Humor? - WARRANTY CARD ON PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL[tm]
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WARRANTY CARD ON PURCHASED GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL[tm] Dear Special Interest, Congratulations on the purchase of your genuine Government Official[tm]. With regular maintenance your Government Official[tm] should provide you with a lifetime of sweetheart deals, insider information, preferential legislation and other fine services. Before you begin using your product, we would appreciate it if you would take the time to fill out this customer service card. This information will not be sold to any … [View More]other party, and will be used solely to aid us in better fulfilling your future needs in political influence. 1. Which of our fine products did you buy? __ President __ Vice-President __ Senator __ Congressman __ Governor __ Cabinet Secretary - Commerce __ Cabinet Secretary - Other_____________ __ Other Elected Official (please specify)______________ __ Other Appointed Official (please specify)_____________ 2. How did you hear about your Government Official[tm]? Please check all that apply. __ TV ad. __ Magazine / newspaper ad. __ Shared jail cell with. __ Former law partner of. __ Unindicted co-conspirator with. __ Arkansas crony of. __ Procured for. __ Related to. __ Recommended by lobbyist. __ Recommended by organized crime figure. __ Frequently mentioned in conspiracy theories. (On Internet.) __ Frequently mentioned in conspiracy theories. (Elsewhere.) __ Spoke at fundraiser at my temple. __ Solicited bribe from me. __ Attempted to seduce me. 3. How do you expect to use your Government Official[tm]? (Please check all that apply.) __ Obtain lucrative government contracts. __ Have my prejudices turned into law. __ Obtain diplomatic concessions. __ Obtain trade concessions. __ Have embargo lifted from own nation / ally. __ Have embargo imposed on enemy / rival nation / religious infidels. __ Obtain patronage job for self / spouse / mistress. __ Forestall military action against self / allies. __ Instigate military action against internal enemies / aggressors / targets for future conquest. __ Impede criminal / civil investigation of self / associates / spouse. __ Obtain pardon for self / associates / spouse. __ Inflict punitive legislation on class enemies / rivals / hated ethnic groups. __ Inflict punitive regulation on business competitors / environmental exploiters / capitalist pigs. 4. What factors influenced your purchase? (Please check all that apply.) __ Performance of currently owned model. __ Reputation. __ Price. __ Appearance. __ Party affiliation. __ Professed beliefs of Government Official[tm]. __ Actual beliefs of Government Official[tm]. __ Orders from boss / superior officer / foreign government. __ Blackmail. __ Celebrity endorsement. 5. Is this product intended as a replacement for a currently owned Government Official[tm]? ______ If you answered "yes," please indicate your reason(s) for changing models. __ Excessive operating / maintenance costs. __ Needs have grown beyond capacity of current model. __ Defect in current model: __ Dead. __ Senile. __ Indicted. __ Convicted. __ Resigned in disgrace. __ Switched parties / beliefs. __ Outbribed by competing interest. Thank you for your valuable time. Always remember: in choosing a Government Official[tm] you have chosen the best politician that money can buy. [The joke appeared on a mailing list. No attribution.] [View Less]

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 11/14/97, Tim May wrote: > Which explains why that Japanese-produced RSA chip was suddenly withdrawn > from the market shortly after Jim Bidzos held it up in fron of Congress as > an example of how foolish the U.S. export laws are. The Japanese stooges > were ordered by their masters in Washington to conform to U.S. policy. So, Tim, exactly how much stock in RSA did you have in RSA at the time, and how much did the stock tank afterward? Say hello to Bidzos from us the next … [View More]

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobody(a)replay.com spake: >Step back from this immersion in a culture of violence. Draw the cloak >of privacy about your actions. That is the true cypherpunk way. Now this is A-1 cpunk-bonic blacknet stocking. Hectoring, condescending, intolerant, imperative, in perfect denial of all possible put-ons save the sound of one maggot gobbling a numbskull's braincell, backgassing a heed-this screed. As H bobs, eye *snot* dis lip. Suss is lisp (wa tmor (wa rc4)). wa locking intel … [View More]

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The V-Chip for PCs, the FCC, and broadcasting on the Net
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My original article on the VChip for PCs: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1528,00.html -Declan ********** Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:37:34 -0800 From: Robert Cannon <cannon(a)DC.NET> Subject: Re: VCHIP (was Son of CDA) >>> David Lesher <wb8foz(a)NRK.COM> 11/14/97 09:37am >>> Cassidy Sehgal sez: >> >> The FCC proceedings currently on the mandatory inclusion of the V-Chip >> in televisions also refer to including the … [View More]chip in personal computers. I >> think that is the back door the administration and groups like CDT are >> looking for to censor the net. > >If I recall correctly, that was an interpretation by a reporter >and has been revised... > The interpretation of the proceeding is correct. There has been no revision. There have been quotes in the press from FCC officials stating VCHIP does not apply to PCs because PCs cant display broadcast. This is inaccurate. Here is the language from the rulemaking itself: <SNIP> Para. 22: Other Television Receiving Apparatus. . . . In addition, personal computer systems, which are not traditionally thought of as television receivers, are already being sold with the capability to view television and other video programming. Section 551(c) of the Telecommunications Act makes it clear that the program blocking requirements were intended to apply to any "apparatus designed to receive television signals" that has a picture screen of 13 inches or larger. Accordingly, we believe that the program blocking requirements we are proposing should apply to any television receiver meeting the screen size requirements, regardless of whether it is designed to receive video programming that is distributed only through cable television systems, MDS, DBS, or by some other distribution system. These requirements would also apply to any computer that is sold with TV receiver capability and a monitor that has a viewable picture size of 13 inches or larger, as we currently do for closed captioning. <END SNIP> First, there have been a series of articles lately on technical developments for computers. There is the expectancy that soon all PC's will be able to receive and display broadcast signals. W3C is developing a standard for the display of broadcast over the Internet. So, if all future PC's can display broadcast, they fall under the provisions of para 22. See Spec to bring TV-like content to Net C|NET November 6, 1997; W3C Issues First Public Draft of Synchronized Multimedia Integration Language (SMIL): Key Industry Players and Research Organisations Team-Up to Merge the Web with Television (Nov 6, 1997); Changing Channels: Will the Internet Become TV, PC Magazine (November 1997). Second, if they fall under para. 22, then the VCHIP would be required to block the transmission, whatever the source. Para 22 states that the VCHIP will block "video programming that is distributed . . . by some other distribution system." Arguably, the Internet falls under "some other distribution system. Final thought, if you think this analysis is wrong, make sure you file comments with the FCC by November 24 at vchip(a)fcc.gov telling them so. Make sure the FCC understands this issue the way you think it should be understood. -Robert Cannon Internet Telecommunications Project http://www.cais.net/cannon/ [View Less]

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Re: Victory for Microbroadcasting
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > The Intenet Content Coalition (ICC) made a cheap grab at trying to form > a corporate FCC to put the InterNet media-power brokering in the hands > of those who already rule the roost overseen by the FCC. > The fact of the matter is, the mainstream media is not going to have > a lot of trouble herding the majority of the sheeple into their feeding > pens, given the power, money and position that they already have, so > it is a bit tacky for them to … [View More]have made an attempt to put themselves > in a position to 'enforce' standards favorable to themselves. Amen! These fools have to start realizing that their best allies in getting out from under the thumb of big gubmint are the citizens, many of whom share similar goals in this regard. If the corporations try to get too greedy, then they will be no better option for the citizens than the government currently is, and will have to fight their war on two fronts, which history has shown to be a very untenable position. > The difference between MicroBroadcasting and the MicroWeb/WebRings > that are being independently formed, is that MicroBroadcasting is > trying to get back what was stolen, and those on the InterNet are > trying to keep from getting what we already have, stolen in the > future. We should all encourage ourselves and others to develop as many communities and inter-related/active communities on the Net as possible in the near future. The more people who have something to defend, something to lose, by the loss of freedom on the Net, then the more who will be ready and willing to raise their voice when the Fascist Censors/Controllers attempt to steal what does not belong to them--our speech, privacy, and liberty. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > National Lawyers Guild Committee on Democratic Communications > 558 Capp Street, San Francisco 94110 > COURT REJECTS FCC's CONSTITUTIONAL CATCH 22 > In 1995, Judge Wilken rejected the government's first motion for a > preliminary injunction against Dunifer's broadcasts. At that time > the Court found merit in Dunifer's argument that the FCC's ban on > low power, affordable FM broadcasting was a violation of the First > Amendment's guarantee of free speech to all in the United States. ... > In response to pressure from the commercial broadcaster's lobby, > the National Association of Broadcasters (N.A.B.), the FCC has in > recent months been stepping up its campaign of harassment against > the thousands of micro radio stations now on the air in this > country. They are trying to find a few sympathetic/bought judges to make rulings which they can use against those who do not have the funds and the political savy that the Berkeley people do, in order to have a basis for further injunctions while they apply pressure from other fronts, as well. > Hiken commented ... > "In trying to do the N.A.B.Õs bidding, the FCC demonstrates > that it is nothing but an enforcement arm of the commercial > broadcast industry and the multi-national corporations which own > it." > In its > Friend of the Court brief the Lawyers Guild pointed out that FCC > regulations make it impossible for all but the very wealthy to > even apply for a broadcast license. This, they told the Court, is > the equivalent of saying anyone could speak from a soap box in the > park, but the box had to be made of gold. Freedom of speech for the rich and powerful...sound familiar? > For almost 70 years, the FCC has catered solely to the > interests of commercial corporate giants, through their > mouthpiece, the National Association of Broadcasters. These are > the pirates, who have stolen the airwaves from the American > people, and who represent corporate interests valued at more than > 60 billion dollars. > The legal team welcomes the opportunity to have a court identify > the real pirates of the airwaves -- not the thousands of > microradio broadcasters who seek to communicate with the people of > their communities, but rather the billionaire commercial interests > that control the airwaves as if they own them. We have criminals running the government, and pirates running the corporations. What should our role, as citizens, be? I submit that our role in society is to support the organizations (government, corporate, secular, religious...ad infinitum) which will serve our best interests in the process of serving their own. I further submit that the Globalization of society and government brings to life the concept that 'no man is an island,' and that it is no longer possible for us to support discrimination against, or oppression of, any individual or group of individuals without it coming back to haunt us much more quickly than in the past. The recent initiative by the US, Candada and Mexico, in conjunction with one another, to seek out 'bad' information/behavior in the health area on the Internet, is but one example of those who are thinking locally and acting globally. i.e. - If Canucks support legislation which will 'stick it to the Spics,' they will find themselves freezing to death because of a ban on jalopenos because of unsupported health claims by the Mexicans that jalapenos are 'good for you.' It is imperative that those of us concerned with the development and regulation of the Internet resist falling into the same sense of fatalism that has led us to allow the government and corporations to lead us into narrower and narrower chutes which separate us into feeding pens designed to turn us into docile consumers of spoon-fed government and corporate fascism. We need to make every attempt to keep the Internet a form of free- market socialism where 1 Byte == 1 Byte, no matter whether it is a Swedish byte, a communist byte, an Afro-American byte, a liberal byte, a gay byte, a Marv Alpert bite, etc. The minute that a Holocaust byte becomes of more or less inherent value or righteousness than an anti-Holocaust byte, then we enter the same quagmire which is suffocating and oppressing the established forms of government and society. We have allowed the mediums of politics and social customs to turn our world into a place where there is a difference of value in a symbol of currency, such as a dollar, which is dependent upon whether it is in a rich man's pocket, a poor man's pocket, a government pocket, a church pocket, etc. We have allowed ourselves to be sucked into the belief that we are separate individuals, separate nations, and that we can gain by taking from others. This is true, to a certain extent, as long as we remain prisoners of local geographical borders, but it will be less so in a global society. Who is the enemy? The enemy is whoever takes away your freedom. The enemy is whoever takes away my freedom. The enemy is whoever takes away our neighbor's freedom, or the freedom of strangers throughout our global community. The same applies to privacy, free speech, money, dignity, and a host of other things which are basic to our personal and group liberty. Who is our friend and ally? It is whoever mirrors the web site which is banned/stolen from us, whether they agree or disagree with our beliefs and goals. It is the anonymous remailer operator who replies to the anti-remailer lies and diatribes I send through their system, rather than blocking them. It is the person who attacks the organizations that seek to censor or ban our individual beliefs and opinions, even while attacking our beliefs and opinions in expressing their own. Freedom is our friend. Censorship is our enemy. George Spelvin (Mein Fuhrer--and nobody else's!) [View Less]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How "anonymous" (to what degree) are email messages sent through the various remailers (Mixmaster, EFGA, ml.org, etc)? Have there been any studies done as to the degree of anonymity obtained from using these remailers? (I haven't been able to find any.) And does anyone know of any studies being done in determining whether or not content-based analysis - diction and language - is a reliable way to determine identity? It seems that if Dick has a certain vocabulary, uses a certain sentence … [View More]

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cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous blathered: >If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are >implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. How many people have >objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected >when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been >dropped on Japan? None. How many have objected to the notion that >residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed? Hardly any. How many of us SHOULD bother … [View More]responding to these trolls? Tim May froths at the mouth. William Geiger froths at the mouth. Dimitri Vulis (KOTM) froths at the mouth. Paul Bradley froths at the mouth. (I just included him as a troll.) Anonymous froths at the mouth. How much pointless outrage should I feign everytime one of these people posts? How much crap do you want to read? If you don't like 'em, stick 'em in your kill file. It's your right to complain, but don't expect me to give a shit. >At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of >privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and >murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. No, we've always stood for homophobia, you anonymous cocksucker. >It's ironic to see that the kind of off-topic, flaming, irrelevant >posts which have caused such consternation in the past are now the norm. >Reasonable people have been largely driven off the list, leaving it to >supporters of violence and hate. Is it better to wave your magic wand and ignore the erosion of our rights, or take up a gun and defend them? You can try the political route if you want, but we're stuck in a tyranny of the majority. The politicos stand behind a podium, claim they've got to "do something" to "save the children" and nobody argues. How can you win an argument on free speech when Joe Sixpack only sees the EyeWitless News drones crying "Children get porn on the Internet!"? Joe Sixpack would like nothing better than to silence the minority. The other 49% of people really piss him off, what with their crucifixes in urine and that other liberal shit. And Catholics. They piss him off too. The Constitution is supposed to protect our right to free speech. Congress, at the urging of this majority of Joe Sixpacks, is trying to suppress it. The answer cannot come through congress. Cypherpunks would have to outnumber the civilians in an election, and that's just not gonna happen. Our only hope is the defenses we can provide ourselves, and if that's court challenges, guns and crypto, well then as Tim almost sez: Lock and load and encypher. (Nuke the lawyers anyway.) >The sad thing is, this is all unnecessary. The original conception was >that cryptography would allow people to protect the privacy of voluntary >interactions. Laws forbidding voluntary transactions will be difficult >or impossible to enforce. We will move into a world where there is far >more liberty and freedom for everyone. > >There is no need to blast government agents' heads open. There is no >need to nuke D.C., or Japan. There is no need to disparage people of other >races and cultures. > >Step back from this immersion in a culture of violence. Draw the cloak >of privacy about your actions. That is the true cypherpunk way. Oh, come on, Zooko (oops, did I write that? I meant "anonymous".) What the hell do you know about the "True Cypherpunk Way", other than that's the name of the street in Bienfait, Saskatchewan that I live on? JoeSixpackMonger [View Less]

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Re: Br'er Tim and the Bug Hole
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >> If Tim and others fail to exercise their right to say what they >> believe, then it is likely those rights will be suspended in due >> time. > >Like I said before, it makes sense, but not because Foucault said >it. Broken clocks, and all that. Besides, Monty, I hate appeals to >authority almost as much as I hate ad honminae. Are you asking me to use Foucault's line without giving him credit? That doesn'… [View More]t seem right to me. Foucault's essay was insightful and significantly influenced my point of view. Not only does he deserve the credit, but mentioning his name may direct other interested readers toward his work. BTW, how much of Foucault have you actually read? I am generally unfamiliar with his work, but I have a sinking feeling the same can be said for certain of his critics. It is easy to give French intellectuals a cursory reading and conclude that there is nothing there. However, often there is quite a lot of something there, but it comes from people with a different intellectual tradition than our own so it is harder to understand. An apparently absurd sentence is often a reference to a body of work with which we are not familiar. >> It seems to me that Tim said "The judge in the Paladin case >> committed a capital crime" and not "The judge in the Paladin case >> committed a capital crime and should be gunned down in the streets >> like a dog." > >Frankly, I believe that the two sentences above are exactly the same >thing,... No, in the first case the possibility of a fair trial with an impartial jury exists. They are different statements. >...but that it was pretty apparently a wish (if not a threat, if you >want to pull semantic hairs until one bleeds) that the judge be >assassinated,... Tim has repeatedly made it clear to the world that this was not his meaning. What is your purpose in declaring otherwise? >...because a judge can't be killed, legally, for *any* decision he >makes. I expect that gunning the judge down in the street like a dog >would fit Tim's bill quite nicely. In every other instance in which Tim has discussed capital punishment, it has been in the context of a trial. If OJ had committed a brutal murder in a state without the death penalty, say Massachusetts, and Tim said "OJ is guilty of a capital crime", would you conclude that he was calling for his murder? Clearly that would not be reasonable. So why do you feel the meaning changes when "OJ" is substituted for "The judge"? Perhaps you harbor latent urges to murder our public officials and wish to draw attention from yourself by pointing the finger at Tim. You seem to be talking about it more than anybody else. >And, Monty, here's another fact: the world isn't going to end on >Thanksgiving Day, much less at the beginning of the millennium. Armed >storm troopers are probably *not* going to decend on the denizens of >this list and haul them off to newly built gulags in the Rockies >somewhere, or whatever the current fantasy of the moment is. When you drive do you always wear your seat belt, or just when you are going to have an accident? Incidentally, it is well documented that in the 1980s, the USG had detailed plans for mass arrests of dissident citizens. Ten army camps had been selected for this purpose. The plan was to be executed in the event the country invaded Nicaragua. The USG has incarcerated masses of U.S. citizens without trial at least twice during the 20th century. To claim it cannot happen again seems a little naive. >> The book I am reading is called "The Aurora: A Democratic-Republican >> Returns" by Richard N. Rosenfeld. > >Okay. Here's where I cop to bad craziness. It's now time for me to >fess up and get my butt hammered like a gentleman. :-). You certainly take your medicine like a man. Good. >> 1. Publius was John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and James Madison. >> Jay and Hamilton were leaders of the party attempting to subvert >> the Constitution. > >Mostly Madison, I believe, and, oddly enough, a protoge of Jefferson >at one point. Hamilton wrote 51 of the essays, Madison 26, Jay 5, and 3 were written jointly by Madison and Hamilton. If you are saying he attempted to subvert the Constitution, this letter will be of interest. (May 20, 1798 Madison to Jefferson): >The Alien bill proposed in the Senate is a monster that must forever >disgrace its parents. I should not have supposed it possible that >such a one could have been engendered in either House & still >persuade myself that it cannot be fathered by both... These addresses >to the feelings of the people from their enemies may have more effect >in opening their eyes than all the arguments addressed to their >understandings by their friends. The President also seems to be >co-operating for the same purpose. Every answer he gives to his >addressers unmasks more and more his principles & views. His >language to the young men at Ph[iladelphia] is the most abominable & >degrading that could fall from the lips of the first magistrate of an >independent people... It throws some light on his meaning when he >remarked to me "that there was not a single principle the same in the >American & French Revolutions;"... the abolition of Royalty was, it >seems, not one of his Revolutionary principles... >> 6. Jefferson did not write the Bill of Rights. He was in France at >> the time and was pleased to hear these amendments had been added to >> the Constitution. > >I don't believe that's right. I believe, if you check it out, that >Jefferson sent the Bill of Rights to the Constitutional Convention >from France, and that Madison, ironically enough, had a hand in >getting it passed. Perhaps it is your turn to crack open a book and find the reference. I would be quite interested (and surprised) if you can substantiate your claim. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGwLVZaWtjSmRH/5AQEvNAf9HjMM4D8eB2Uv+h+IqxvMCgY1fFMpt1Cx IuvO2Q8OUrg1HaQxJ52c4HDPms56rbBUw1slwTqL0hIVcdAENy4v/rU5NXodvsLJ 9CS9eWn1MJb1vxZLj+B3z9p/yhVYYeedbTFKt1chy2Y7OOuDGTcSUS8BSH7CK8Fp s7nVPQSuTZ60O3Md58qGh+aRT3wHBNxNcwNdtuiCA1knZehhRrQe2qX6PMzt9app MmNJ01PNcKp1X1cLhmtu/jfbeFlUp0V44YAo2D+RVgvrzP8B4C+avAWoO96d4KhY krE6bRQZ443D2Ktkc6D7QVxAu0tmHnjADftRAHf6W3A8tER8KcAgJQ== =6DIt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [View Less]

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May writes: >At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > >>If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are >>implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. How many people have >>objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected >>when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been >>dropped on Japan? None. How many have objected to the notion that >>residents of … [View More]Washington, D.C. should be killed? Hardly any. >...SNIP... >I have never said "residents of Washington, D.C. should be killed." As I >recall my first comment along these lines, it was, paraphrasing (as I don't >feel like spending 15 minutes sifting through my archived mail), along the >lines of: "I fully expect to wake up some morning and hear that some >terrorist nuke has destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying." Try this: : To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com : From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 : : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any meaningful sense (not even the "will : no one rid me of this corrupt city?" sense, given that I have no : Beckett-like powers). You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree? How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed. It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such an act of cold-blooded terrorism. You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago. >>At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of >>privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and >>murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. > >I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, actually. >And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was the same in >1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called Waco that happened >around that time? Go back and read the traffic. You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them. This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox. >Many of us don't "stand" for freedom of speech if it really means >suppression of racist, homophobic, whatever speech, as it seems to me in >many countries today. The Orwellian "freedom of speech does not mean >freedom to say wrong or offensive things" is a meme that seems to be >spreading. Of course you have the right to post what you like. But when you spew garbage, I have the right to say it stinks. It seems that other posters have lost their sense of smell. They say that's what happens when you spend your time wallowing in sewage. [View Less]

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