December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

15 Nov 97 at 0:45, Anonymous wrote: > Tim May writes: > >At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > > > >>If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, > >>you are implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent. No it does not. Silence may mean you are to appalled to even post! > >>How many > >>people have objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or > >>two. How many objected when William Geiger suggested that more > >>nuclear bombs should have been dropped on Japan? Maybe the little marine was right about that. > >through my archived mail), along the lines of: "I fully expect to > >wake up some morning and hear that some terrorist nuke has > >destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying." > > Try this: > > : To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > : From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers > : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 > : > : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at > least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. > nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any > meaningful sense > You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked. > > Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers > agree? No way. But I feel, at times, it's bad enough to be *reading* that stuff let alone posting about it! > How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in > the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You > have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of > people killed. I think "nuke DC" has become almost a turn of the phrase, these days. > It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned > discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support > such an act of cold-blooded terrorism. > > You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind > of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains. OK. Here I go. I come down on the complaining side. > Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list > long ago. Nope. Just lurking. > >>At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and > >>protection of privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, > >>threats of terrorism and murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism. Those things all go hand in hand. > >I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, > >actually. And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was > >the same in 1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called > >Waco that happened around that time? Go back and read the traffic. I first signed on in 1994. > You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong > innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in > Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no > different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in > Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as > ruthless and violent as the worst of them. > > This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no > problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of > D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. > Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a > government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your > mailbox. Well, I used to say Kill Them All And Let God Sort Them Out back when I was in the military. NoMongerHere

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Re: Jim Bell's Mug Shot
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: >Jim Bell's mug shot from US News (and mine): > > http://jya.com/jbjy.jpg ............................................. Well, John, this is kind of amusing - why in the world did you put your photos together? You could become confused as being associated, you know. .. Blanc

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by BSAFE International 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark Koernke "Mark of Michigan" Arrested Today by WebToday Staff Writers November 14, 1997 Mark Koernke (aka "Mark of Michigan") was arrested on Friday, November 14, 1997. A warrant for his arrest was issued on November 7 in Washteneau County for aggravated assault for allegedly beating up process server Roger Gainer while being served with a summons by the defense lawyers of John Stevenson. Stevenson had plead guilty of being an accessory after the fact in the murder last year of William "Bill" Gleason in Hillsdale, Michigan. More charges are expected to be filed against Korernke and other individuals in the ongoing investigation of the Gleason murder which is often referred to as "the Hillsdale murder." Richard Champion (aka Carl Miller) was arrested two weeks ago for failure to respond to a subpoena but has since bonded out of jail. Bond was set at $22,000. Bill Gleason was reportedly one of Mark Koernke's bodyguards. Both were members of the U. S. Militia. Neither Koernke nor Gleason were ever members of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines (MMCW). The MMCW, headquartered in Muskegon, Michigan and is led by Commander Lynn Jon Van Huizen. It is believed to be the largest militia group in Michigan and perhaps the largest in the U. S. Koernke is a resident of Dexter, Michigan and works for the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. He is known for his "American in Peril" video and is a shortwave radio commentator. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This is confirmed as I spoke with John Statdmiller personally 10 minutes ago. Mark Koernke was arrested a few hours ago. Charges are felony firearms possession.Local County prosecuter bringing the charges is Donald Ray of the 14th District. His office number is 313 971 0078 Mark is scheduled for arraignment at 2PM Eastern Time

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Tim May wrote: > At 8:00 PM -0700 9/26/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >Does anybody want MISTY algorithm ? > >If you want it,Please send e-mail to me. > > > > I thought we got rid of your sorry ass two weeks ago! > > Go back to trying to arrange "male penpals," which Dejanews shows to be > your activity on the Net prior to this recent playing of Misty. > > You go, chop chop. More of Tim "chop chop" May's racism. This is the man that you claim to have respect for. You must be turning your head away in embarrassment from this offensive behavior. But he's not embarrassed about it, so why should you be? Look plainly at the kind of man you are dealing with, and ask whether he deserves your respect.

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Joichi Ito wrote: >But, I suppose chaos is good. For you and for us. It's always nice to >be reminded that racisms in the US is still alive and >active. Sometime I forget and almost identify with you folks. Wait a second. Are you claiming that because one (1.) racist is on a list, that everybody on the list is a racist? How curious. Could this be an artifact of Japanese culture? I have heard that Japanese culture emphasizes collective responsibilty to a higher degree than in the United States. So, for instance, a group like this one would be both more formally regulated and also informally socially regulated. That is, when Tim makes some sort of comment, everybody else would be somehow responsible for it. I am glad this is not that kind of group. I believe such groups are not very interesting and have difficulty exploring novel ideas. Perhaps it would be better to think of this list as a park which can be visited by anybody in the world. (1. Even that one is greatly in doubt!) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNG5Rw5aWtjSmRH/5AQENCQf+LQNUA59hnT8jmXue6Hxm687Ujwzo2+fm iFc1TRRXElVW4w2iCUA+HG3NJTHkqeTIlz7gibNN7ZiF4VGOam73Ys4MQsZ8hP9n wFGIPwsS5XYWAo6eGaCclUejT1AMWlyFRS5ErOpCnnMo4JVQiWXdCT80rrVH+eZJ pa3fj3TLrw4W7Pj8l2OgIhaDk0DD1DDTBz3eo1q7js/S5EL6jwnq1i1zy7B8sVEo 8ud6dU/aSS8VTObZrNalzlYd6NU1gigRc3/SxeZUdHH+/Y3dw2+VAILjiEcnGmv6 5q6Qf2mrXjXA6f62ByW+H3VZ+4HcOQ1XjNN9g9UJN0+1kSsfIgaawg== =0U9X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGPsdk is now free for non-commercial use
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, PGP has come to it's senses and is allowing non-commercial developers to use the sdk for free. I didn't notice anything too ominous in the license agreement, and they promise a new licensing/prices for shareware and small commercial developers. Perhaps nobody is buying the sdk at it's current highly inflated licensing price. http://www.pgp.com/sdk/noncomm.cgi -- Phelix

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PGPsdk and freeware developers
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just had a thought. How does a freeware developer in the US distribute a program that uses PGPsdk? Would one have to set up an export-controlled web site to make sure them 'bad' foreigners don't get it? -- Phelix

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 9 May 1997, Tim May wrote: > Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the > Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors. Not much ambiguity here, is there? No waffling about what a capital crime is. This is a clear statement that Florida governor Chiles as well as various federal officials should be shot. More deaths, more killings, more murders. That is what Tim May stands for. > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that. This speaks for itself. Only an utterly depraved, sick, and vicious individual could support the killings in Oklahoma City. This is the man who many would say is the most respected on the list.

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May-San says: > At 6:54 PM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote: > >It is astonishing that people like you [Paul "Fatmans" Bradley] and > >William Geiger, who apparently make their living as consultants, > > Their likely clients don't given one whit what comments they may have made > on mailing lists. Tim: Fatmans doesn`t have any clients. He`s just a wannabe consultant. He`s actually an undergrad at some limey univesity, and has too much time on his hands. > Hell, their clients don't even care if they're card-carrying members > of the KKK. Yeah likely. > >Even if you share Tim May's lack of moral constraint, you presumably do > >not also share his wealth. > > Sensitive flowers such as yourself need to move out of places like > Amsterdam and get with the program. Oooo another subtle suggestion that the Journeyman is the anonymous poster. TruthMongrel-San

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