December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Direct satellite systems?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My local cable killing Mars rover deployment in favor of local dog tag ordinances (as required by the city), made me realize it that getting my own dish is way overdue. I would appreciate reports on any first hand experiences subscribers to this list have with satellite services. Yes, NASA TV and the SF channel is a must. :-) Thanks, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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The international PGP pgae ?
by Jason William RENNIE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know if the international PGP page is down for some reason. I cant get to it ?? Jason

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Germany Wants A Rematch
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: 100566.2620(a)compuserve.com (German Embassy/Canada) From: TruthMailer <tm(a)dev.null> X-Mailer: WinSock Remailer Version ALPHA1.3B X-Comments: - X-Comments: "He who shits on the road will meet flies upon his return." X-Comments: - X-Comments: This message is NOT from a death camp volunteer. It was X-Comments: sent via an automated anonymous remailer much as bullets X-Comments: were sent by snipers in the French Resistance during X-Comments: World War II. X-Comments: - X-Remailer-Setup: Maximum Message Size -- None Subject: Germany Wants A Rematch bennett wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Jim wrote: > > GERMANY PASSES WORLD'S FIRST CYBERSPACE LAW > > > > BONN, Germany (AP) -- Germany on Friday became the first country to > > pass a law regulating the free-wheeling global electronic space > > of the Internet. > Which cypherpunk said that he wouldn't go to a conference to get > arrested for making a funny comment about a resurgence of fascism in > Germany? Dear Mr. & Ms. G. Embassy, Perhaps you've forgotten why freedom lovers kicked your ass in "The Big One." Far be it from me to rain on your jackboot parade, but this time the underground was put in place long before the war on freedom and liberty was officially announced. XS4ALL's efforts to allow citizens to have the information needed to interfere with train schedules to Auschwitz was just the tip of the iceberg. Strong encryption and anonymous remailers are likewise only visible symbols of the electronic weapons that have already been prepared in defense of free speech, privacy and freedom. {Fool me once...} If you are of the mistaken notion that the rise of fascist limits on freedom in now laughably democratic countries around the world indicates that the world is now in alignment with the goals of a "Fourth Reich"/"New World Order", then you are in for a very rude awakening. The fact of the matter is that Germany is not only sucking on hind-tit in terms of being far behind the designers of the internet in controlling the worldwide flow of information, but all those whose aim is to use information control to futher the purpose of domination and oppression are sucking hind-tit to those who are prepared to prevent this from coming to fruitation. Long before the "Internet" and the "World Wide Web" were being publically touted as the "Information Highway" of the future, citizens throughout the Internet were being organized into small, disparate cells for the purpose of educating and preparing them to provide an underground resistance to the fascist designs of those who fully intended from the start to use this technology as a weapon against freedom and liberty. If you wish just the slightest taste of what I am speaking about, then read "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" or "Webworld & The Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" at http://bureau42.base.org If you would rather access it from a Soviet source, then I suggest you try http://www.tigerteam.net/anarchy Or you can find it in France, Australia, Great Britain, China, Burma, Africa, South America, ad infinitum...as part of a trilogy named "The True Story of the InterNet." If you want a small taste of what lies in wait for fascists in the Unix Operating system, then study the archives of the "Cypherpunks" mailing list. DOS/Windows? Find the "Secret Gates" mailing list (if you can). OS/2, Macintosh OS, Novelle...ask your father and mother, your sister and brother, your best friend...they may well be among those who have been preparing for decades to tear down the walls you are only now preparing to build around freedom and privacy on the Internet. If you want a small taste of how your own tools are already being turned against you, as weapons and munitions, then I suggest that you try to find the hidden stego in the map of Germany (map2-2.gif) at the URL for your German Embassy in Canada... http://www.DocuWeb.ca/Germany If, on the other hand, you wish for a small taste of true freedom, then I suggest that you resist falling prey to the fascist mindset that others have already decided upon as your ultimate destiny, and create your own underground resistance cell to fight against the rise of censorship and the curtailment of freedom and liberty. {If you haven't already...} When the Netherlands were recently liberated, many of the citizens at XS4ALL were reported to be smoking American cigarettes, eating Hershey's chocolate bars, and chewing gum. Go figure... TruthMonger #709

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by ysidro1＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Need Money? This REALLY works!!!
by Gbrd-man 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bennett, I think you need to send this guy your flame form, too. NOTE: "If you have not requested this message then please disregard and accept our apologies. PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER UNLESS YOU NEED MORE MONEY!?!" Dear friend, July 1997. Mark your calender. This is no joke and I'm not here to waste your time, so pay close attention. The plan is SIMPLE, and actually WORKS, for one reason only: "32 cents" By this I mean a lack thereof...no letters to mail. Only a few strokes of your keyboard and a few thousand emails moving at the speed of light, for FREE, other than your internet access fee. It's started with VERY MINIMAL outlay ($20) and the income return will have you laughing in DISBELIEF all the way to the bank. Do it now or hear about it later...read on please, and thank me when you make your first $1000.... 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Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in t -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM8HQHKxZ8xbjyDtBEQJhlwCgq+Z+W9691Juq5S5GcNEWosw6TiQAnAkQ UknqxnDui9lpqFQFldEOdPDP =CnvY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Mack the Harrs over
by Zooko Journeyman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- X-Inside-Sig-To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com X-Inside-Sig-cc: Ryan Anderson <randerso(a)ece.eng.wayne.edu>, Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> X-Inside-Sig-Subject: Re: Mack the Harrs over X-Inside-Sig-Date: Sun Jul 6 13:42:19 CEST 1997 > Besides, how much encryption is needed between two points if intercepting > the traffic is expensive, the communications protocol is undocumented (as > far as anyone outside NASA is concerned), and the actual frequency is also > hard to find? Not to mention that the communication protocol is apparently broken and drops most of the data. :-P Somebody hack in there and fix it... Z -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQB1AwUBM7+E0BoBGQdOGvDZAQEA0gL/Q+N6Wr4r+NKA4Q6rC1U5op3Lcs7F8usc 6C382q6PfhzoDIUOUu+8SfPB4x5KdAYAe7UC3kn5FZ1NPoEoP3vMDsNm+Vqu6XBY yZPQbCdAkc35CYMHX70+wxcCJ8vRESTT =RWJa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Nat Sec in Your Home
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For worst-suspicions info on defense technology transfer to law enforcement: http://jya.com/tdt-le.htm With links to Justice and wide network of high tech crime fighters fostering civil war for your own good -- and their careers and budgets. Nat Sec coming home to roost: downsized soldiers, spies and scientists as sensors-r-us.

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Re: Mack the Harrs over (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Mack the Harrs over > Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 13:43:42 +0200 > From: Zooko Journeyman <zooko(a)wildgoose.dagny> > > Besides, how much encryption is needed between two points if intercepting > > the traffic is expensive, the communications protocol is undocumented (as > > far as anyone outside NASA is concerned), and the actual frequency is also > > hard to find? > > Not to mention that the communication protocol is apparently > broken and drops most of the data. :-P Really? You try sending data over 10 light-seconds using nothing but the equivalent of your Mag-Lite flashlight and then pick it up AND successfuly decode the data using nothing more than spare cycles in the DSN reception network. I suspect you are seriously underestimating the amount of noise betwix here and there... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Direct satellite systems? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 23:07:58 -0700 > From: Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Direct satellite systems? > My local cable killing Mars rover deployment in favor of local dog tag > ordinances (as required by the city), made me realize it that getting my > own dish is way overdue. > > I would appreciate reports on any first hand experiences subscribers to > this list have with satellite services. Yes, NASA TV and the SF channel is > a must. :-) NASA Select is the actual transponder you want to use for NASA stuff. Get any of the numerous satellite magazines and they will include not only a map of the commercial satellites but their location and other niceities. Note that this is not all the satellites you can receive since those not on the plane of the eccliptic will require a different mast-head (it requires both RA and declinination, where most low-cost commercial stuff only has RA). You will also want to check out comp.space.news and pick up the new satellite listings that come out about once a week or so. You will also get solar weather alerts on this newsgroup as well. The main downside a satellite system is that you don't get any of the local stations. On the hardware front, decide now what kind of coverage you want. If you have any hopes for a satellite modem (which can be quite fun to play with) then don't get the digital dish but go with the older C/K band dishes (3m). The setup that I use (and suggest) is: - local cable, at least minimal services to get the local stations - C/K band setup with dual decoders so that you can watch two transponder channels per bird - digital dish to receive the newer systems (if you can find a good source for digital sat modems for these please let me know) I'll give you a hint on how to get started, get to know somebody in the local sat business and get them to let you know when they replace an old C/K band system with a new digital systems. Usualy they throw the dish, mast-head, and cable away because they have no resale value. I got both of my C/K dishes this way. Spent maybe $100 on cables and connectors not counting the concrete I used to mount the masts. With the changes in the cable laws you can now buy hacks to the boxes on the open market. I *strongly* suggest making this purchase as anonymous as possible. My cable guy gets a visit from the FCC about once a year on some purchase he made. I get my ROM's and such at various electronic, hamfest, and video get togethers that happen in and around Ctl. Texas. I am shure if you check in your local areas similar events occur. (hint: get somebody else to drive to the event in their car and pay with cash only and never tell them anything about your real name or location). Last tip, buy your own center level and don't be stingy on the cost. The more vertical you can get your mast the happier you will be in the long run. Hope it helps. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Mack the Harrs over (fwd) (correction)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> > Subject: Re: Mack the Harrs over (fwd) > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 09:24:11 -0500 (CDT) > Really? You try sending data over 10 light-seconds using nothing but the ^^^^^^^ minutes Sorry for the typo. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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