December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri007 wrote: >It is becoming increasingly obvious that John Young is the real >troublemaker here. I wouldn't doubt that it was John who was >behind the original troubles between Vulis and Sameer. >I think that John Young should be forcefully unsubscribed from >the Cypherpunks mailing lists. Heh, do me! Forcefully unsubscribed means *plonk* -- not seen much lately but once frequently wanked here. Troublemaking is the very essence of this cypherjerk joint, no? Does anyone but me remember that the whole Vulis, moderation, censorship, Stronghold shit started with Tim dissing Dimitri by mocking the [spit] locution (or that's when I first paid attention to the thread -- Tim's and Dimitri's rude humor slurs are their best shots). Dimitri then getting pissed at the dis (or faking it), then counter-assaulting Tim with multiple personalities, then both master peronnae-fakers going at each other through clones, acolytes and yes-bossers to capture the other's reputation capital, both operatically yodelling innocence unfairly ravaged, both raging with highest of principles at the accusations of come-fuck-me-darling lowest-level behavior. Anonymic and pseudonymic chaff flooded in and jammed the putative brilliant list signal. Seeing an opening for righteous evangelism, other high-minder fakirs intervened to protect the list's pristine virtue with prophylatic measures, which leaked, were malfitting, or were rejected by all-natural studs and mares lusting for unmediated self-abuse. Whores spitting at whores, male and female and crossovers it was, and is. Recall these periodic pitbull fights instigated with Tim by those foolish to challenge him, those who think there are limits to all-natural sex. Great liars, the Net's multiple personna double-cross-addressers . Whose willing to bet that Tim and Dimitri, their adherents, are not in bed with, may even be the same as, the Totos, the Mongershitters, the who? None of this compares to meisterwerk slurring which heavenly rents this forum.

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RE: counter-intuitive -- spam is good for you. anonymous assholes are your friend
by Phillip Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Friday, October 03, 1997 4:02 AM, Attila T. Hun [SMTP:attila@hun.org] wrote: > law enforcement did not deterred the hacks on the state department, > the FBI, and even the CIA. I dont advocate the hacks, but it is > amusing to watch the great watchdogs of security take a hit. Since I have no responsibility for either site I don't much care Actually neither has responsibility as a security watchdog, that is the NSA's job. > with your spoiled brat rantings, you make your site as tempting as > some of the other nose tweakers who need a serious attitude adjustment Actually I think you are the spoiled brat. If you had any real experience of computer security you would know who I am and who I work with. One of the principles of propaganda is reflection - poor propagandists accuse others of their own faults. My guess is that Attila is a sixteen year old schoolkid who thinks that downloading PGP and reading Bruce's book makes him a security expert. The real complacent folk are the ones that put their trust in cargo cult readings of Bill Morris. Phill

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 4 Oct 1997 21:48:23 -0500, Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >After the ordinance was passed, there was one >violent crime the first year, and three the next. There it is. Absolute Proof!!!! After everybody finally got those dreadful guns, there was a 300% increase in the murder rate. Guns are evil. Ban them now!!! (Just an example of what people do with statistics these days.) -- Phelix ps. Here's the entire paragraph: Before Kennesaw, Georgia passed its famous (or infamous) ordinance requiring each household in the city to own a gun and allowing concealed carry of firearms, it had an average of 25-27 violent crimes (murder, armed robbery, etc) per year. After the ordinance was passed, there was one violent crime the first year, and three the next. The gun control shills in the press reported this as a tripling in the violent crime rate. Since the state of Florida passed a "shall issue" concealed carry law (if you apply, pay the fee, pass the safety course, and are not a felon or mentally incompetent, the state shall issue you a concealed carry permit) it has experienced significant reductions (10-20%) in the rates of murder, rape, armed robbery, and other violent crimes. Even in England and Scotland, this inverse relationship between private gun ownership and violent crime can be demonstrated, according to Colin Greenwood, retired chief of the West Yorkshire Constabulary and criminology researcher since the sixties.

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Re: Stronghold
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: > >John Young wrote: >> Dimitri: >> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using >> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or >> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. > >Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post >anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, >without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently >unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information >he may have in regard to their product. >Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their >product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to >take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations >of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. > Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly simplistic here? -- Phelix

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Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <343b60e7.102167602(a)128.2.84.191>, phelix(a)vallnet.com writes: }On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: } }> }>John Young wrote: }>> Dimitri: }>> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using }>> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or }>> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. }> }>Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post }>anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, }>without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently A "public announcement" by the proven liars at C2 doesn't constitute a release from liability and wouldn't do much, legally, to protect Vulis from harrassment lawsuits. C2 can turn around and sue Vulis anyway. "So, I lied. Again." - Sameer }>unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information }>he may have in regard to their product. }>Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their }>product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to }>take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations }>of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. }> } }Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly }simplistic here? If someone other than Vulis (me, for instance) published the Stronghold backdoor (widely known by now) via an anonymous remailer, then Sameer Parekh could still sue Vulis for having discovered it first, or to "make example" of him, and to intidimate other security experts who are aware of Stronghold's many holes. For example, Sandy Sandfort, Parekh's marketing director, wrote to Vulis: } ... we'll slap a libel suit across your emigrant ass, take back }your green card, deport you and tell Russia that you called Yeltsin a }cocksucker ... C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The BackdoorMonger

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Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd) > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 11:59:53 -0400 > > On 10/3/97 10:49 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: > > >If the MTBF for a remailer is n then the MTBF for m remailers is > >n*m. Inother words the remailer chain gets less reliable as it gets > >longer. > > Jim, you want to take a look at that "n*m" again ... it doesn't > wash. means MTBF goes *up* which means *more* reliable. Remember n is a fraction, failures/time_period ... If your MTBF is 1 failure per year for each system and you have 10 systems your MTBF is 10 failures per year. Looks like multiplication to me.... Course you can look at it another way as well. Which would mean you would have 1 failure every 10th of a year. That's division, and also misleading because failures don't care about the time period, they may happen all at once. Depends on how you look at MTBF, I generaly look at it the first way because I can use addition if I'm working on a system that don't have multiplication (eg machine code on a 68HC11) that way I don't have to build some damn floating poing library to do division ... Statistics, damn statistics, and lies. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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testing 1 2 3
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bleh

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri and Cloned Anonymees continued the rotten-egging of Stronghold faults: If there's a fault in Stronghold, expose it, in detail, for merely proclaiming there is, is sour grapes commercial knocking of a superior product, or worse, evidence of complicity with those dark forces who want to prevent global spread of strong products. Sniff that rhetoric. It's the same old Backdoor gossip, as with PGP (freeware version, not the latest Freehware, which is evil, evil, how could you Phil?). Using the threat of a lawsuit as grounds to prevent disclosure is shrewd way of avoiding having to document an allegation. Dimitri, you're one smart son of a bitch, and my hat off to your genius at the dirty business of defamation, no holds barred. Defaming an eating-your-lunch competitor is fair play, as C2 shows how to call your bluff with a bullshit legal bluff. Anybody with a reliable info on a hidden backdoor in Stronghold or Dimitri or me, as with PGP, should get the evidence out for verification. Otherwise, such ranting is just trash talk of the bluffing game. Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. And I'm eager to rotten-egg it onward.

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Re: Stronghold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: | C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to | an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may | be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the | presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The information regarding the security flaws in Stronghold comes at a pretty dear price currently. With the increasing value of this type of information in the corporate underworld, the bugs and backdoors in security software that are revealed to the world make up only a small portion of those that are known to exist by those who have the funds to purchase them. For every free spirit who publishes a security flaw, there are a dozen enterpreneurs who recognize the value of the information they hold. MoneyMonger

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