December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) The remailer list here has been out of date for some time, but should be up to date now. I'm still working on updating the web page. Last update: Mon 6 Oct 97 6:46:39 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- nym config(a)nym.alias.net ##*+#*#**### :42 99.99% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org *###+***##** 1:33 99.98% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org ++++++**++*+ 17:20 99.97% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net ++******+++* 11:30 99.96% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca ++***++++++* 22:36 99.89% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -.-----..-- 9:58:11 99.68% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com + -***+++++* 52:53 99.65% replay remailer(a)replay.com ** * ****** 3:36 99.57% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de ----------- 3:06:27 99.44% neva remailer(a)neva.org --**-***+ + 1:15:50 99.17% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net - + ++++ * 36:51 98.65% hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ---- ------- 4:34:09 97.76% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --- ------- 3:15:49 97.49% arrid arrid(a)juno.com - . ---- 10:06:05 79.88% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -16.56% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: russia_1.html
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Harka <root@DosLinux> > US Sees No KGB Role in Russia's Nuclear Arms > > WASHINGTON (Reuter) - The United States Friday rejected the claim of a > Russian scientist that Moscow had secretly developed nuclear "suitcase > bombs" under KGB orders in the 1970s specifically for terrorist > purposes. > >[...] > > Testifying before Congress Thursday, Alexei Yablokov, a respected > scientist who served on the Russian National Security Council, > contradicted statements by Russian officials denying the existence of > the weapons and buttressed claims that many of them have gone missing. > > "I am absolutely sure that they have been made," he told the House > Military Research and Development subcommittee. > > The issue arose when former Russian National Security Adviser Alexandr > Lebed alleged that up to 100 portable suitcase-sized bombs were > unaccounted for since the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. > > According to Lebed, who has agreed to testify before the House > committee later this month, the devices have an explosive capacity of > one kiloton -- the equivalent of 1,000 tons of TNT -- can be activated > by a single person and could kill as many as 100,000 people. > > Yablokov said he had spoken to the scientists who worked on the > weapons and so was certain of their existence. [...] I saw part of this on CSPAN. Yablokov made one point that I felt was interesting. These devices were made during the Cold War period, and it's extremely unlikely that any could have been made since the Soviet Union fell apart. The plutonium cores of thermonuclear devices have a limited shelf life - he claimed 6 years, which jibes with what I've heard from other open sources. Fission products build up in the cores which can poison a chain reaction. Thus all Pu based devices need to have the cores periodically removed and replaced with new ones, while the old ones have to go through a non-trivial reprocessing stage to remove the fission products. Thus, a nuke left on the shelf eventually turns into a dud. The time since the Soviet Union fell (which is the upper limit of the last time these particular 'suitcases' could plausibly have been repacked) is long enough ago that they are now either duds or becoming unreliable (I don't know if the degredation results in gradually decreasing yield, or if one day they simply don't work). Of course, even contaminated Pu in the hands of a terrorist (or a State) is a disquieting notion. Peter Trei trei(a)Process.com

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17 Dec '03

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by bob17＠bigfoot.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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New Zealand encryption rolled by Microsoft
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> To: "dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu" <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Oct 97 10:07:45 +1300 Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: New Zealand encryption rolled by Microsoft Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Blair Anderson" <blair(a)technologist.com> New Zealand encryption rolled by Microsoft.. Despite adopting a succesfull crypto protocol ex Switzerland, Microsoft has been succesful in "converting" the local banks to its "built in" scheme.. details at.. http://www.aardvark.co.nz/n296.htm Cheers, Blair Anderson (Blair(a)technologist.com) International Consultant in Electronic Commerce, Encryption and Electronic Rights Management "Techno Junk and Grey Matter" (HTTP://WWW.ISDN.NOW.CO.NZ) 50 Wainoni Road, Christchurch, New Zealand phone 64 3 3894065 fax 64 3 3894065 Member Digital Commerce Society of Boston ---------------------------- Caught in the Net for 25 years ---------------------------- For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI eve
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Via e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com > To: jf_avon(a)citenet.net, e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com, cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > Subject: Re: Unicorn an NSA agent? WAS: New PGP "Everything the FBI ever dre > Remember when the phone company used to lease you your phone? Surely that > doesn't make the data that goes over the phone their property? Duhhh! Typical Unicornish answer: completely out of context. The agreement with the phone company is to provide you with a service, while the agreement with the employer is for you to devote your time to his cause. Buy doing personnal activities outside of certain accepted ones, you defraud him. Did you indulge into calling your girlfriend in Tokyo while in your office? Did you get a pat in the back from your boss? > Actually, most large modern firms I'm familiar with approve of and expect > some degree of personal business to be transacted in the work place. Some > even state this explicitly in their corporate policies and define the level > of personal business that is appropriate. Never have I seen one which > insists that no personal business of any kind is to be tolerated. I doubt > such a firm would have a reasonable retention rate either. Duhhh ^2 But does that precludes the requirement by the company that all e-mail pertaining to company activities be decryptable by them? > I think I might take that as a compliment coming from someone who advocates > the kind of data ownership views that you seem to. I hope to be thought > of as dangerous by those kind of entities. Duhhh ^3 I did not said it, you did. If you want to have a vague idea of my idea of property, just refer to Ayn Rand philosophy for a close enough explanation. > >I've been watching you for almost > >three years over Cypherpunks and e$-etc and other forums. > >Virtually *all* of your posts have this > >blow-up-their-basic-premises-and-let-them-with-nothing-but-confusion > >style. > > Blame law school. You are almost absolved. :-) This anti-knowledge way of interacting is unfortunately widely thaught. But from the moment you realize it, it becomes a sin again... :-) > If my position on this issue makes me some kind of troublemaker, you better > point the same finger at Schneier, who (if quoted accurately) shares my view. > > >Your style shows intelligence and skill in the way you do > >it, which rules out idiocy on your part. So, clearly, you have > >an agenda > > I do. Unimparied privacy for individuals in all contexts. Now tell me how > PGP5.5 contributes to that cause, particularly in the current political > climate. I have no idea because I did not look at it. Only, from a business standpoint, it doesn't only makes sense to be able to decrypt employees data, it is a sine qua none condition for the implementation of encryption at corporate level. IMNSHO. > The timing looks extremely suspect to me. Challenging the > premise that corporates own the flesh and mind of every employee within the > walls of their facilities doesn't really strike me as something > pro-estlablishment Double talk. I never said it *owns* the employees, I said it owns the *means* of communication and, as per mutual agreement between employee and employer, the employee's time. The employee AND the employer are, most of the time, free to walk out anytime. > My view is, however, that > this is the wrong way for the world to progress. If beliving that > employees don't sell their souls to large corporations because they accept > their paychecks is evil, call me evil. Accepting a paycheck has nothing to do with selling your soul, it is a contractual agreement. You have to fullfill it. It is based on good faith. > At the same time I beleve that > companies don't tell their soul to a given government just because they do > business on a given "soil." There is a large part of happenstance in this. Doing business with the Nazis is an extreme and many condemned it. Doing business within the USA is another thing. > If correcting legal errors, I admit you do often. > highlighting the flaws in basic premises and pointing out general gaps in logic, > which is what I think I've been doing > for the many years I've been poking around on c'punks an elsewhere, is Oh, but I do not question that you act. Only, your pretended basic premises and the end result and general philosophy conveyed by most of your comments simply do not match you pretended agenda. >The > consistancy you see is probably because I don't waiver in my principles > when it comes to privacy. At least, we have something in common! :-) jfa Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada "One of theses centuries, the brutes, private or public, who believe that they can rule their betters by force, will learn the lesson of what happens when brute force encounters mind and force." - Ragnar Danneskjold PGP key at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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Gestapo wants to police the Internet
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

US Calls for Internet Funds Police By Jane Martinson Financial Times: Friday, October 3, 1997 A US securities regulator called yesterday for international co-operation on policing the sale of cross-border mutual funds on the internet. Douglas Scheidt, assistant director in the investment management division at the Securities and Exchange Commission, said: "Securities regulators around the world should work together to find an approach, and to find it relatively soon to satisfy the needs of everyone concerned." Fund managers, particularly in the US, are increasingly using the internet to market their products to investors around the world. This causes policing problems when potential customers in other countries are not covered by regulatory agreements. Regulations surrounding the cross-border sale of products are still vague. Mr Scheidt outlined his preferred approach to the issue at a meeting of the Federation Europeenne des Fonds et Societes d'Investissement, a body of leading European fund managers, in London yesterday. This approach would insist on the fund management group clearly stating the citizens it is allowed to sell to on its home page. Mr Scheidt suggested simple wording to the effect that only US investors were able to purchase US mutual funds, for example. This "disclaimer" would be combined with a demand on managers to screen out possible purchases from unauthorised countries. Mr Scheidt advocated a "flexible approach" which recognised that fund managers could be misled on the country of potential investors but insisted on proof that they had done everything possible to cut down on sales to citizens in unauthorised countries. A solution could be the use of gateways or passwords making it harder for potential investors to find information about a mutual fund. Mr Scheidt said the main drawback was the cost. He also discounted what he described as the "regulator's dream approach" of insisting on the "facts and circumstances" of every transaction. He felt that one of the most important virtues of these approaches was that they did not require any legal changes to enable the internet to be used as a marketing tool. He said his department was also keen to look at how fund managers marketed their products generally to potential clients on the internet. Changes to products must be sent separately via e-mail or the post. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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What's really in PGP 5.5?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jon Callas wrote: >I have a number of comments about the New York Times article on PGP >5.5 for Business of which Martin Minow sent a synopsis. >If we had built what they said we had, then we'd deserve of all the >derision people have directed at us. But we didn't. The New York >Times got it flat wrong. In your long message I was unable to locate an area in which the New York Times "got it flat wrong". If anything, your post was more alarming than the newspaper article. >This downside is particularly insidious for a number of >reasons. First, without fixing that problem, strong cryptography will >be in some sort of limbo. You want to use it to protect your valuable >information, but you won't want to use it for any information that's >*too* valuable, because it's easily lost. Crypto-protected >information is fragile, and this fragility could hurt its widespread >deployment. What you call "fragility" is properly called "security". Would you describe 128-bit keys as more "fragile" than 40-bit keys? Why is PGP, Inc. inventing propaganda terms for the authorities? >Data recovery is useful for a number of things. Perhaps you lost your >passphrase. Or data might have been encrypted by an employee or co >worker who was in an accident. (As an aside, fifteen years ago, the >architect of a product I worked on was in a severe car wreck. He was >not killed, but suffered brain damage and has never returned to >work.) Your spouse might need access to financial records. Everyone, >be they an individual, business, or coporation has a right to having >their data protected, and protection not only means being able to put >it into a safe, but getting it out of that safe later. It is fascinating to me that every example you use does not involve decrypting transmitted messages. Yet, that is the feature which is under discussion. The demand for the ability to decrypt encrypted messages in the corporate environment can easily be measured with this test: how many companies have a policy that requires employees to record all outgoing mail? >(6) It must also provide a response to those who would regulate >crypto in the name of public safety. This is a red herring. Nobody has been talking about regulating cryptography as a matter of public safety in a serious way. Why is PGP, Inc. posing non-threats to justify its actions? Probably because its actual, all too obvious, motivations are unpalatable to the cypherpunks and probably to most of its customers and supporters. They are not unpalatable to Big Brother, however. I suggest that in the future we do not meet at the PGP, Inc. headquarters and that we do not treat this company as a trustworthy ally. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDsgSpaWtjSmRH/5AQG/pwf+LBO0ynwGeLLJipuWTIfoE9n7xvBJeXD4 od4Q7NYMZl/UfbudynBHMKGI0/xrhVhC1lmJlXXu+/mbBK2K1H0X9EMILQqpxhM4 RJd5ndR1BI0dpoRZX4+6PRq2mRi3lspvvXp3UkL4bKR8MpCqVJNcpluunMtBgIzh WoxXjw2GzVnbPiWoHhS/TIdQNSvubBCYBsje5rOKc71yQj86ymUzKLovX6O7j/dD eIjlJZTuP+AemEyG6FD5dyXQV7qdcxKwDG9G4ka813NHl88LU0Nc1JcM4aPATgfh 4cZhgppUvZqSGwd0QpxYb/OduE/adCuqmyrubMumc3SqTKRjPdLyBA== =f9J+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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govt goes gun nuts
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

for the libertarians & govt haters ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 19:36:29 -0500 From: "Chris W. Stark - GOA Texas Rep." <gunowner(a)OnRamp.NET> To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: 60,000 Pistol Packing Feds - Up 2,436 in 1 year! ==== BEGIN FORWARD================================ 60,000 pistol-packing federal bureaucrats show why people fear the government WASHINGTON, DC -- A new report revealing that almost 60,000 federal employees now carry weapons has prompted the Libertarian Party to come out in favor of gun control -- for the federal government. According to a study by the General Accounting Office (GAO), an astounding 60,000 government employees in 45 different agencies now carry guns as a routine part of their job. And it's not just law enforcement agents: Poultry inspectors, park rangers, and disaster aid workers are all allowed to carry weapons -- in addition to special agents from the Small Business Administration, NASA, the Department of Education, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, and even the Department of Veterans Affairs, noted Steve Dasbach, national chairman of the Libertarian Party. "Federal employees have gone nuts -- gun nuts," he said. "It's time to impose a waiting period on the federal government, while the American people conduct a background check on these armed and potentially dangerous bureaucrats." According to the GAO investigation, the number of federal employees with guns is growing rapidly -- up by 20% in the last 10 years. In fact, 2,436 armed personnel were added to the federal government's payroll last year alone. Even worse, federal employees are getting more powerful weapons. According to the GAO, the Energy Department now has access to machine guns, and other agencies can summon tanks and military helicopters. In addition, the Western Journalism Center discovered that the National Park Service and the Department of Health & Human Services now have their own SWAT teams. Machines guns? Tanks? SWAT teams? What's going on? Dasbach said he has a theory: "Congress has passed over 3,000 criminal laws, and federal agencies have churned out hundreds of thousands of regulations that carry criminal penalties. The result is that ordinary Americans run a constant risk of violating laws they've never even heard of as federal agents scramble to enforce those laws at the point of a gun." And Libertarians aren't the only ones who have noticed this disturbing trend, he said. For example, Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) last month blasted the "massive buildup of a virtual army of armed regulators." Larry Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America, described the 60,000 armed federal employees as "a standing army -- it's outrageous." And Greg Lojein, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the acquisition of "heavy equipment" like tanks and helicopters by federal agencies is "more characteristic of war than law enforcement." "No wonder Americans don't trust their government; their government doesn't trust them," said Dasbach. "But trust doesn't grow out of the barrel of a gun -- or from the sight of a pistol-packing poultry inspector. "If we want to live in an America where ordinary citizens don't have to fear their own government -- and where the government doesn't have 60,000 guns pointed at ordinary citizens -- the solution is to demand a government that obeys the Constitution and protects the liberties of its citizens," he said. "And the first step: Gun control for the federal government. Let's end this federal arms race, and turn the federal bureaucracy into a demilitarized zone." The Libertarian Party ======= END FORWARD ============================================= **************************************************************** Chris W. Stark Gun Owners of America - Texas Representative e-mail: gunowner(a)onramp.net Visit our Web Page at: http://rampages.onramp.net/~gunowner Support "The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington & Texas." ***************************** ***Become a member of GOA TODAY!*** ***************************** **************************************************************** "No class or group or party in Germany could escape its share of responsibility for the abandonment of the democratic Republic and the advent of Adolf Hitler. 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