December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

One more step...
by nexus＠eskimo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I received this in the morning CNET news: HOW PRIVATE IS YOUR NET SURFING? FBI VS. CDT BATTLE WILL DECIDE http://www.news.com/Radio/index.html?nd At the FTC's online privacy hearings next week, the debate will turn on the FBI's right to "intercept" information on the Net. Listen to CNET Radio to see why the Center for Democracy and Technology wants the spooks to back off. So where does the FBI think they get their 'right' to intercept net traffic? Who knows, but I'm sure its already happening and will continue to happen no matter what the FTC rules. Brian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5geZKQxGtxXsXypAQFOeAP7BS9UAeFVxA2pokA7CSD/HwAgo3rGbFH6 Mm7ISfn7c4hK2sTVIcgCvCFJCDfXxXGPTuZOA7o9LEfE6b0TDw0JuJ1bbUkf9zqi JkpSpLipesJz56bzMi//jNiY7I1Da5rWpYPSXn5EsrZ1WdslXsGs7uiBTMQFixcL 4bMO5o1LPtA= =nD0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian C. Lane http://www.eskimo.com/~nexus KC7TYU ------------------ 96B9 C123 5C90 BECC 6A1F 7DC6 4F2B A26E --------------------

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Re: Webpage picketing
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 06 Jun 97 00:24:59 -0500, "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> said: >Well down here in Pensacola where we like to shoot abortion doctors I >beleive that there is a 50' seperation (other side of the street). Actually, this law was lobbied for by Zeiss Optical. They're trying to increase sales of rifle scopes.

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Re: e$: The greater fool theory of Digicash, quantified, roughly
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:05:34 -0400 From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Re: e$: The greater fool theory of Digicash, quantified, roughly At 2:54 am -0400 on 6/6/97, somebody wrote: > I don't think Chaum is in it for the money. You say he has family money. > This fact makes my contention more likely. The paradox, of course, is that money is just a way of keeping score. :-). If Chaum's aim was to make the blind signature patent as ubiquitous as possible, he's failed just as miserably as if he were trying to make money on it. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd: "Digital Money Online" <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> For e$/e$pam sponsorship, mail Bob: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Privacy-loving Europeans are at it again
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >Wait a minute, John! Aren't these the same Europeans described by Marc >Rotenberg as being more privacy- and liberty-loving than Americans? Indeed, the same. The same as those righteous pastors who nudged us youngsters to sow oats across the Rio Grande to protect the virtue of innocents who were delighted to sneak away to join us and the mestizos in the dry creek bed just outside town. The same as the generals and pols who now hector and lecture us to deny their seignorial infidelities and cover-ups. Heads of state, leaders of armies, defenders of law, hah! Best show in years, watching these pigfesters finger each other while seen-it-all Virtue and Justice laugh and crook up the next quaverer ashaking.

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No Subject
by SHIVAANI KUMAR 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[URGENT] Sphere packings
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[unt] May's 16Kb brain's single convolution is directly wired to his rectum for input and his T1 mouth for output. That's 16K bits, not bytes. Anal intercourse has caused extensive brain damage. /////// \-oo-/ Tim C[unt] May \--/ \/

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Re: NYT on German Net Police
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: >> >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... Excellent suggestion, Agent Provocateur (AP) Bob. There is surely a PR connection between the McVeigh trial and the cyber-terrorism summit. That promo's crucial for the counterterrorism juggernaut. Now, what would be the cyber-version of street theater? For examp, the security arrangements for the trial will be broadened, and artfully leaked to the Denver-ensconced and equipped media, to promote and protect the priceless Derrieres of State. But what might cyber-terribles do to work-a-round the highly classified meat protections? Confidential commo is crucial to yarping pols and talking heads, uplinks and unedited feeds are going to be zapping 'round the globe. What liberating theatrics could be exhibited spoofing, cracking, hacking, phreaking these urgent communiques to ardent tax-henchers and sofa-ensconced tubers. Denver's Judge Downes sent a missive in plaintext to IRS, a spit in the bucket another Bob said. What about a bigger oyster hawk at the lens and mikes of the leaders of the free worlds? Do nothing illegal, for sure, just civilly disobedient. (We'll put Downes's 17-age ruling up in a while.)

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Re: [CONTROVERSIAL]: A Defense of Terrorism
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have reasonable doubts as to whether Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > not! The major reason people can't live together is furnished by > > politicians who feel they should make it to history books ;-( > > Tims post made a good point, people soon forget the causes of conflict > and only see the effects, today, hardly anyone in the UK sees the IRA as > an organisation devoted to liberating NI, merely a bunch of thugs. Of > course they have brought this on themselves by indiscriminately blowing > things up. Talking of which the Queen is visiting Hastings (a town about > 5 miles from me) today, I hope the IRA blow her up... How many Irish nationalists do you know? The ones I know consider the IRA to be a bunch of thugs. Their attitude towards sympathizers in the US is similar to the attitude most Israelis have towards the kind of American wackos who killed Rabin. That's probably too nuanced for you, so to simplify: I think they're a bunch of thugs. They're just as thuggish towards "their own" as they are towards the Loyalists. Express a moderate or humanistic point of view in certain NI neighborhoods and the IRA thugs will make sure you're censored for good. AS Bill Frantz pithed a few weeks ago: the problem is not anarchy -- the problem is too many competing governments in one place. Thuggery isn't the answer to historical thuggery. - -rich http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBM5is8ZNcNyVVy0jxAQGtVgIAgpdMWOvv76Pf9eByDe5PkOW+7TmJwKA3 bUeUtRO9ydymz35qkEp+zD2n16dX1qft52h4nqmkIEVh6hKTiM0Jyw== =TRvQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now is the time for all good little boys to cum in Tim C. May's big mouth. >\\\|/< |_ ; (O) (o) -OOO--(_)--OOOo- Tim C. May

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Thomases lose appeal in second case
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember the Amateur Action BBS case from 1994, when Robert Thomas got convicted by a Federal court in Tennessee for distributing pornography on his BBS in California? Well, he was also prosecuted in Utah for distributing pornography from the BBS (the Merc doesn't say if it was a state or federal prosecution, but it looks like state), and he just lost his appeal in Federal court. One of his defense arguments was double jeopardy, and the court rejected that because the Utah court busted him for different pictures than the Tennessee court. While distributing child pornography is reprehensible, it's still none of Utah's business; the ACLU lawyer defending Thomas says there's no evidence that any Utah citizens actually downloaded any (except the police). # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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