December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: dnews?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <jai(a)flex.com> writes: > Recently, when I post an article in some newsgroups, the following > arrives by E-Mail almost insyantly. Then several hours later, the > article is forge-canceled. Any input will be appreciated! - Jai Maharaj > > > Return-Path: dnews(a)152.132.1.40 I had a couple of those. I don't think they're related to the forged cancels from bellatlantic (which should be screamed about). I'd appreciate all followups to the thread "Chris Lewis has utterly lost it", Thanks. Major updates to net.scun hopefully tonite. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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First shots in Smart Wars
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: iang(a)hotlava.net Precedence: Bulk Date: 6 Jun 1997 15:20:35 -0000 From: iang(a)hotlava.net To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: First shots in Smart Wars Folks, the smart wars have started. This recently erupted in the Dutch press after bubbling along in the committee rooms for the last year. What follows is a translation and I may have lots of errors in there... This is significant because it signals a new phase in the industry of head-to-head competition for reputation and market share, using all the FUD and scare tactics that big ignorant players have available to them. At this point we can conclude that anyone who is not already fielding systems has probably missed the boat. Although this is only a boat travelling up the Amstel for now, there are some famous people waving tearfully from the wharf. It doesn't necessarily mean the end of DBBs as they are a concept that promise efficiency gains over the current mechanism. But it does mean that it will be a long drawn out battle, as any usage of same must be supported by other innovations in order to compete with large, well-heeled and scared competitors. iang ------- On Wednesday, Postbank announced introduction of the combined debit-card and Chipper-chip with two codes: one PIN code (as meant in ISO 9564-1) and one chipcode (10202-6). The PIN code is for debit-cards with magstripe and the chipcode for using the smartcard functionality (including purse). They stated that using two codes was a requirement from the central bank and that they were suprised that the other smartcard initiative (chipknip) was allowed to use only one code for both debit-card and purse-application. DNB (the Dutch National Bank) were asked for comment (Wednesday) and they denied that they instructed Postbank to use two codes. Postbank did not want to explain any further in the open press about why they chose 2 codes and kept on referring to DNB. Meanwhile a spokesman for RABO, one of the banks in the competing initiative, spoke out publicly (and frequently) that chipknip only used one code and that there was no requirement to use two codes for the two applications. The spokesman also stated that it would be possible to use this one code in a user's smart card "home-loading" devices (the so-called 'chipknipper'). On Thursday (so in the Friday newspapers) DNB informed the press that DNB uses international standards as a reference point in their review of card schemes. Operators of schemes make their own decisions within the framework of these standards. DNB only checks, depending on the choice made, which part of the standards apply and whether the implementation complies to the relevant part of the standard. The ISO-standards used will basically relate the use of a code to the security level of loading device. If a scheme operator chooses to synchronize the chipcode with the PIN-code, the more stringent PIN-code protection regime applies for that chipcode: it should be physically secure instead of merely tamper-evident. DNB stated that in the case of PIN-synchronisation one could view the use of loading terminals in or attached to banks as compliant with the ISO standards. DNB also stated that in the case of PIN-synchronization it had not been demonstrated that other (home-loading) equipment would comply with the requirements in the international standards. Volkskrant, the Dutch daily newspaper, concluded that RABO might want to reconsider using one code, since the use of this code in a home environment did not seem to comply with international standards. Trouw, another daily, analyzed that in the chipcard battle Postbank had scored a point as they were able to use their chipper in home environments with the chipcode and other banks obviously were not in that position. RABO meanwhile continued to state that they would roll out the home-loading devices at the end of the year and that these devices were technically superior, which would be the reason that no other code was necessary. --- ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd: "Digital Money Online" <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? 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Who subscribes to the list?
by ghio＠temp0093.myriad.ml.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you're worried that someone might find out who is subscribed to the list by querying some of the majordomos, don't bother. I already have a list of all your IP addresses. Sendmail has a nice feature which checks all the sender or recipient addresses by doing DNS lookups on them. My nameserver is watching you. :) P.S. I'm sure none of you would be foolish enough to use penet-style remailers which do not encrypt the message headers.

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Re: Privacy-loving Europeans are at it again
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's not clear from the attributions who originally wrote: >>>The New York Times reports on page one the German >>>prosecution of a woman who linked her home page to >>>Radikal. It reviews XS4ALL's role, describes Radikal >>>and its mirror sites and links to them all: >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/060697germany.html This story was stale soon after it hit the "presses." The trial is on hold as the government looks (in vain?) for expert witnesses who support their position. In unrelated news, Reuters is reporting that the head of CompuServe's operations in Germany, the guy who is being sued in Munich on kiddie porn charges, is leaving to start his own company. -rich http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706051819.NAA06360(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 06/05/97 at 03:00 PM, "Peter Trei" <trei(a)process.com> said: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Well the real problem here is not GAK it is just a symptom. The problem is the position that our current government and especially LEAs in that government have taken that we have no rights. That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have no meaning unless it is politically convienant to them. I don't see how anyone can look at the governments behavior in its push for GAK and not have utter contempt for them. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i/ZI9Co1n+aLhhAQHxRAQAytDQhogRQkzsD88hYhWWFZen44tVj3zd nAnlF+fqxBmitzcI/iSiH9QT//lLlr5FzUCFG2g/aasuo9j0AzcXc4pM87itvbfj WFJSZ7l8aN2xAkpWrIJoRo6C90tsPKWoqy3G9N/legeJPKrBx4gtpiuWv0wTBgDA OGerKywdxnE= =y+Qb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Privacy in Europe
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The recent post by John Young about the German woman charged with linking to Radikal caused me to investigate this issue. You may have heard that Radikal had an article on sabotaging train systems. The article simply stated that if you break open a certain type of control box found next to train tracks and yank the circuit boards, the trains will refuse to enter the given track segment. Hardly the worst of possible sabotages and considerably less fatal than other methods discussed on a mailing list near you. BTW, the woman has now been slapped with a new charge. Apparently it is illegal in Germany to publish criminal complaints. [Due to privacy regulations?] Since the woman has the official paperwork detailing the charges against her on her web site, she has now been charged *again* for violating the prohibition against publishing the official court documents. Things are better in Europe? You must to be joking. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Steak Knife Decryption
by dshipman＠ewol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:44 AM 6/7/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Maybe, if the robber can convince the victim that she (robber) is >irrational and would hold on to her promise not to kill him, she could >get the money. But how to do that? > > - Igor. > > Maybe she (robber) could turn turn him (robbee) loose for fifteen minutes, to show good intentions? -------------------------------------------- DLS

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Germany to Surveil CoS
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING INDEX Friday, June 6, 1997 Briefer: Nicholas Burns [Excerpt] QUESTION: What is the State Department's reaction to the decision of the German Interior Ministers to put the Church of Scientology under nationwide observation by the anti-extremist watchdogs? MR. BURNS: Well, we understand that the German state and federal interior ministers have agreed to pursue the recommendations of an experts group which called for the collection of information on Scientologists and scientology. It is our understanding - and we have a very incomplete understanding, actually, of this decision - that the ministers directed state and federal law enforcement agencies to develop a plan to implement these recommendations. We will examine the details of this decision carefully, but since I don't believe our embassy in Bonn or our German experts here at the State Department have had sufficient time really to look at this in detail, I don't think it's appropriate for me to give you a detailed comment. I will say this. The United States obviously has to stand for freedom of religion. We have that in our own country and we stand for freedom of religion around the world. If you would just look at our annual human rights reports, I think four out of the last five years or five of the last six - I forget which - we have mentioned this issue of scientology. But I feel compelled to say something else about this issue, and that is that Germany needs to be protected, the German Government and the German leadership need to be protected from this wild charge made by the Church of Scientology in the United States that somehow the treatment of Scientologists in Germany can or should be compared to the treatment of Jews who had to live, and who ultimately perished, under Nazi rule in the 1930s. This wildly inaccurate comparison is most unfair to Chancellor Kohl and to his government and to regional governments and city governments throughout Germany. It has been made consistently by supporters of scientology here in the United States, and by Scientologists themselves. I do want to disassociate the United States Government from this campaign. We reject this campaign. It is most unfair to Germany and to Germans in general. QUESTION: Anything in this latest effort by Germany to deal with the Church of Scientology that concerns you? MR. BURNS: Well, Carol, as I said, we have a sketchy understanding, at best, of what this means. It appears to be instructions by state and federal law enforcement agencies to look at a set of recommendations and develop a plan upon recommendations. We have an alliance relationship with Germany. We have a very close relationship. I think among friends, you don't shoot first and ask questions later. What we need to do is study this issue, talk to the German Government about it, and then perhaps we will have something to say later on. But I think it would be most unfair to Germany for us to have detailed comments when we don't have a detailed understanding of what this process may or may not be. Yes. [End excerpt]

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:00 PM 6/5/97 -6, Peter Trei wrote: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Yup. Let me add one more I just posted to the cryptography list. When you have non-GAK strong crypto for criminals to use, they (like the rest of us) will be seduced into believing that they have privacy and will loosen their tongues. As a result, more and better intelligence will be available over that communications channel. For the proportion of cases where the person on the other side is an agent or someone turned by threat of prosecution, this intelligence falls into the hands of law enforcement. Even better, this person who is reporting to LE is remote from the real criminal(s), so he is in substantially less danger of being frisked to discover a wire. - Carl +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |CyberCash, Inc. http://www.cybercash.com/ | |207 Grindall Street PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | |Baltimore MD 21230-4103 T:(410) 727-4288 F:(410)727-4293 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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