December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Meet-in-the-middle attack
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Maya studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). /\ __/__\__ | 00 | Tim Maya |: \ :| | \_/| \__/

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Re: Meet-in-the-middle attack
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto Homo studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). /\ __/__\__ | 00 | Tot[hom]o |: \ :| | \_/| \__/

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Plain Text / InterNet Free Terra
by InterNet Free Terra 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Son of Flubber
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > At 3:51 AM -0800 4/17/97, TruthBomber wrote: > > Of course, the government isn't nervous about the loyalty of > >their own military personnel. That certainly couldn't have > >anything to do with them clamping down so hard on the release > >of details of the trial. > > Or why NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and Falcon AFB, > both also in Colorado, have been placed on special alert. Military flights > near both sites have been sharply limited, and visitors are being screened > with more attention. > > Avoid soft targets on April 19th, Saturday. Capt. Button's A-10 changed course for an approach toward Vail/Denver and then turned around briefly, before resuming its approach pattern. While this raises the scary prospect that his warplane was intercepted and had to take evasive action, thereafter being shot down, what about an equally scary scenario: Perhaps he turned around in order to adjust his *landing* approach. If I was NORAD, I'd be checking the local bars and construction companies around Vail, trying to find out if anyone has built any unusually large parking garages next to an open field. It's an open secret that McVeigh timed the bombing to coincide with the execution of a fellow militant from the Elohim City cabal. Who says mad bombers aren't sentimental? Perhaps the missing warplane will surface on April 19, dropping bombs on Denver, and trailing a banner reading, "Happy Anniversary." TruthBomber

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Re: "Get out of Denver"
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > > > It's an open secret that McVeigh timed the bombing to coincide > >with the execution of a fellow militant from the Elohim City > >cabal. Who says mad bombers aren't sentimental? > > There are _several_ anniversaries that day. I dispute your notion that you > know which of them was the bombers' main motivation. Here are some of the > main anniversaries; > * Waco roast (and McVeigh has written much about Waco, and was there for > the first anniversary, in '94) > * the execution you mentioned> > * a major raid in Arkansas 10 years earlier > * the battle of Lexington, in which the British attempted to disarm a > civilian militia You are certainly correct about McVeigh's main focus of discontent being the Great Texas Barbecue in Wacko, but his choice of targets was the same one Richard Snell had targeted. As MediaFilter reported: The March edition of Taking Aim, the newsletter of the Militia of Montana, issued a call to arms for April 19, the day of the Oklahoma blast: "If this day does not ring a bell for you then maybe this will jog your memory. 1. April 19, 1775: Lexington burned. 2. April 19, 1943: Warsaw burned. 3. April 19, 1992: The feds attempted to raid Randy Weaver... 4. April 19, 1993: The Branch Davidians burned. 5. April 19, 1995: Richard Snell will be executed_unless we act now!!!" Federal prosecutors in (Richard Snell's) the '88 trial claimed that the '83 plot_which included counterfeiting, armed robberies and plans to assassinate federal judges and the Arkansas FBI chief_was to begin with the detonation of a truck bomb at the Oklahoma City Federal Building. All of the defendants were acquitted. But that very same building would be blown up by a truck bomb on the very day of Richard Snell's execution. Snell died knowing of the explosion. His last words were a warning to Arkansas Governor Guy Tucker: "Look over your shoulder, justice is on the way..." The Feds are well aware of the significance of launching their offensives against the militia on certain dates, sending deliberate messages to them by doing so, and the setting of Snell's execution date for April 19 was no coincidence. When the Feds pre-date search warrants and other documents (proclaiming to judges that it is needed to protect informants and sources), they often use signifigant dates and times, like the 9:02 of the OKC bombing (as in Jim Bell's search warrant). If you draw a chart co-relating the militia's actions with the Fed's actions, you get a picture somewhat similar to the truces in the Civil War, among others, where the soldiers would come out of the trenches to exchange goods and pleasantries, before digging in once again to resume their warring. Perhaps after the trial is over (if it gets that far), we will see a TV ad where the Feds and the militia get together in a bar afterward, and a theme of, "Now comes Miller time." > (And Hitler's birthday is the next day.) Adolf Hilter's birthday is annually celebrated with a barbecue by David Duke and friends. (No wonder the Feds burned Waco on the 19th. They had another barbeque to attend the following day.) And how does all of this relate to cryptography? Glad you asked. MediaFilter continues: However, in 1995, the Clinton administration is conveniently using the Militia to justify beefing up the federal police state apparatus. Also watch out for the pending Communications Decency Act and Orwellian_named Electronic Communications Privacy Act, which would make censorship and surveillance the rule in cyberspace. Perhaps at an upcoming cypherpunks physical meeting the milita could be invited and the theme could be "Trading Guns for Crypto." (It would have to be arranged quietly, however, so as not to draw too much attention. Perhaps if the arrangements were limited to discussion only on the cypherpunks list...) TruthBomber

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Re: Son of Flubber
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > At 02:50 PM 4/17/97 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote: > >I note that on the network news this morning an AF spokesman very > >painstakingly assured his questioner that there was absolutely no > >evidence of any kind that the missing pilot had any connection > >whatsoever with any militia groups. > > Neither did Tim McVeigh. He went to a militia meeting once. They told him > to get lost and never come back. In fact, the only common thread amongst > the Oklahoma City bombing suspects seems to be their (past?) service in the > US military. Come to think of it, that's one thing they have in common with > the missing bomber pilot. >From MediaFilter: In October 1992, two months after the Weaver surrender, Pete Peters, a Christian Identity minister in Colorado, called a meeting of some 175 radical right leaders. Among those in attendance were Aryan Nations ambassador Louis Beam and his lawyer, Kirk Lyons of North Carolina. Also in attendance was former Virginia legislator and Gun Owners of America leader Larry Pratt, who advocated "armed militia units" like those in Central America. Beam presented a paper to the meeting called "Leaderless Resistance", which called for small autonomous cells united by ideology but acting independently. This became the model for the Militia movement_and perhaps for Timothy McVeigh and his co_conspirators. Perhaps the great outcrys of "Timothy who?" that came from many parts of the militia were similar to the similar cries of "Jim who?" after Jim Bell's troubles. TruthWho?

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Re: [rant] Re: Any info on the "Victim's Rights" Constitutional amendment?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles, whose rants seem to be more informative and entertaining than his legal opinions, and who could be the Johnny Cochrane of the McVeigh trial, wrote: > At 09:22 PM 4/17/97 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: > >Yesterday i saw a report on one of the news websites about Clinton pushing > >for some sort of Victim's Rights Constitutional amendment. > > > >Does anyone have any additional details on this? > > Sens. Feinstein and Kyl are co-sponsoring this amendment. To become part of > the Constitution, it must be approved by a 2/3 majority in both the House and > the Senate, then be ratified by 38 state legislatures. According to Kyl's web > page, this is the text of the proposed amendment: > > Section 1. To ensure that the victim is treated with fairness, dignity, and > respect, from the occurrence of a crime of violence and other crimes as may > be defined by law pursuant to section two of this article, and throughout the > criminal, military, and juvenile justice processes, as a matter of > fundamental rights to liberty, justice, and due process, the victim shall > have the following rights: to be informed of and given the opportunity to be > present at every proceeding in which those rights are extended to the accused > or convicted offender; to be heard at any proceeding involving sentencing, > including the right to object to a previously negotiated plea, or a release > from custody; to be informed of any release or escape; and to a speedy trial, > a final conclusion free from unreasonable delay, full restitution from the > convicted offender, reasonable measures to protect the victim from violence > or intimidation by the accused or convicted offender, and notice of the > victim's rights. We've already got this in Canada. Now the focus has shifted even further against the accused, with great outcry about the fact that the accused are causing great emotional grief to the victims and their families by being so bold as to try to defend themselves from the often irrational assaults on the accused and/or convicted. There is talk of further legislation which would effectively make all perceived victims angelic creatures and all perceived criminals violent, drug-dealing, commie-pinko perverts with no right to defend themselves. (And this is just on the jaywalking charges. Any more serious offences will increase the imbalance of judical powers to suppress the defence.) > (The rights of defendants > pretrial aren't what you'd expect if you've been to a public high school and > have heard the nice stories about "innocent until proven guilty". Accused > persons in criminal cases face serious restrictions on their liberty before > they're even formally charged; these changes are not new. > > The amendment will also likely result in less accurate trials and less > preparation on the part of defense counsel, because it gives the "victim" a > right to a speedy trial. This is bad for defendants, because it denies them > meaningful due process, and it's bad for victims who want "closure" because > it's likely to result in retrials when the due process was so crappy that the > trial didn't meet even the relatively lax standards of the Rehnquist court. > But, hey, it sounds good on TV. It shouldn't be long before "True Stories of the Highway Patrol" is immediately followed by C-Span legislative sessions enacting new legislation to deal with the perpetrators just apprehended, with "Night Court" immediately following, wherein the defendants are judged and sentenced. > We (as a society) need to decide if we want criminal trials to be about > trying to decide (beyond a reasonable doubt) whether or not someone's guilty > of a crime, or if we want them to be satisfying emotional soap-opera-style > theatrical pieces. This victims' rights crap (and the recent legislation > passed, *specifically intended to overrule the decisions of the judge > presiding over the Oklahoma City bombing trial*, as well as recent changes to > the California Evidence Code making it easier to admit evidence about prior > bad acts by defendants and otherwise inadmissible hearsay by "victims") does > a good job of moving us closer to the latter, but if that's what we want I > don't see why we don't just abandon trials entirely and simply torture people > who look like they're probably criminals until they die or confess. (and then > we kill them; after all, they confessed.) You mean like they do in Texas? > I think it's very, very bad to get so excited about punishing someone in an > emotionally or symbolically attractive fashion that we screw up trials, which > are intended to ensure that innocent people don't get punished. If we make it > difficult or impossible to get a fair trial, the only thing standing between > any of us and prison (or worse) is dumb luck and our ability/willingness to > remain in the good graces of the current powers that be. A good point, but your putting it in a future tense indicates that you don't get out enough. (Which is not a criticism, since I'm staying in a lot more, myself, these days. I'm afraid of getting shot by a cop while running from a criminal, or vice-versa.) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Missing Jet [update]
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Subject: Re: Missing Jet >Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 09:33:05 -0400 >x-sender: jordan1(a)macandco.com >From: Jordan <jordan(a)macandco.com> >To: "Alec" <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Update: http://cnn.com/US/9704/17/missing.warplane/index.html jmcc

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17 Dec '03

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Firewalls
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When Timothy C. May's mother gave birth to him after fucking with a bunch of sailors, she didn't know who the father was but decided to tell him that he was a Russian as the Russian sailor was the one who satisfied her the most. \\/// |O O| Timothy C. May | ( | |_@_| H

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