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by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: 40-bit encryption keys
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "When I talk to other governments," [David L. Aaron] said, > "they still don't feel that the cat is out of the bag." Aaron's denying that the cat is out of the bag? He was fashionably dressed in a Lion Tamer's outfit, waving a whip, and trying to herd hundreds of small furry mammals to jump through a hoop and back into a clawed-up army duffel-bag! "Cats? Haven't seen any cats around here! Pay no attention to these,umm, Siberian Hamsters that I'm evaluating for export approval." > "Other governments were upset with the 56-bit export allowance. > They said it was going to undermine their national security." On this point, the other governments are correct. It really _is_ tougher to maintain a nation-state when your former subjects can have private conversations with each other and with other governments' former subjects...... And even 56 bits is a start. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Fwd:[Yet another -onics..]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Denney wrote: > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > >From sysgu-1(a)PaloAlto01.pop.internex.net Thu Jan 30 14:31 PST 1997 > Subject: Fwd:[Yet another -onics..] > To: "Sonni Zambino" <sonni(a)dentistat.com>, "Mike Denney" <gomez(a)BASISinc.com>, > "Jim Staudenheimer" <JnCStaud(a)aol.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > ***************************** > "GEEKONICS" IS JUST A BEGINNING > by John Woestendiek > Philadelphia Inquirer > Wed., January 8, 1997 > ***************************** > > NEWS BULLETIN: Saying it will improve the education of children who > have grown up immersed in computer lingo, the school board in San > Jose, Calif., has officially designated computer English, or > "Geekonics", as a second language. > > The historic vote on Geekonics - a combination of the word "geek" and > the word "phonics" - came just weeks after the Oakland school board > recognized black English, or Ebonics, as a distinct language. > > "This entirely reconfigures our parameters," Milton "Floppy" > Macintosh, chairman of Geekonics Unlimited, said after the school > board became the first in the nation to recognize Geekonics. > "No longer are we preformatted for failure," Macintosh said during a > celebration that saw many Geekonics backers come dangerously close to > smiling. "Today, we are rebooting, implementing a program to process > the data we need to interface with all units of humanity." > > Controversial and widely misunderstood, the Geekonics movement was > spawned in California's Silicon Valley, where many children have grown > up in households headed by computer technicians, programmers, engineers > and scientists who have lost ability to speak plain English and have > inadvertently passed on their high-tech vernacular to their children. > > HELPING THE TRANSITION > > While schools will not teach the language, increased teacher awareness > of Geekonics, proponents say, will help children make the transition > to standard English. Those students, in turn, could possibly help > their parents learn to speak in a manner that would lead listeners to > believe that they have actual blood coursing through their veins. > > "Bit by bit, byte by byte, with the proper system development, with > nonpreemptive multitasking, I see no reason why we can't download the > data we need to modulate our oral output," Macintosh said. The > designation of Ebonics and Geekonics as languages reflects a growing > awareness of our nation's lingual diversity, experts say. Other groups > pushing for their own languages and/or vernaculars to be declared > official viewed the Geekonics vote as a step in the right direction. > > "This is just, like, OK, you know, the most totally kewl thing, like, > ever," said Jennifer Notat-Albright, chairwoman of the Committee for > the Advancement of Valleyonics, headquartered in Southern California. > "I mean, like, you know?" she added. > > THEY'RE HAPPY IN DIXIE > > Yeee-hah," said Buford "Kudzu" Davis, president of the Dixionics > Coalition. "Y'all gotta know I'm as happy as a tick on a sleeping > bloodhound about this." Spokesmen for several subchapters of Dixionics > - including Alabonics, Tennesonics and Louisionics - also said they > approved of the decision. Bill Flack, public information officer for > the Blue Ribbon Task Force on Bureaucratonics said that his > organization would not comment on the San Jose vote until it convened > a summit meeting, studied the impact, assessed the feasibility, > finalized a report and drafted a comprehensive action plan, > which, once it clears the appropriate subcommittees and is voted on, > will be made public to those who submit the proper information-request > forms. > > Proponents of Ebonics heartily endorsed the designation of Geekonics > as an official language. > > "I ain't got no problem wif it," said Earl E. Byrd, president of the > Ebonics Institute. "You ever try talkin' wif wunna dem computer dudes? > Don't matter if it be a white computer dude or a black computer dude; > it's like you be talkin' to a robot - RAM, DOS, undelete, MegaHertZ. > Ain't nobody understands. But dey keep talkin' anyway. 'Sup wif dat?" > Those involved in the lingual diversity movement believe that only by > enacting many different English languages, in addition to all the > foreign ones practiced here, can we all end up happily speaking the > same boring one, becoming a nation that is both unified in its > diversity, and diversified in its unity. Others say that makes no > sense at all. In any language. > > ----- End Included Message -----

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It can be disabled (was Re: PGPMail Log File)
by Rob 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 31 Jan 1997 09:27:45 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:22 AM 1/31/97 +0000, "Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl'" >< WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.comwrote: >> Is there a way to disable the \WINDOWS\PGPW_32.LOG? >> In subtle ways it's a security hole if left to accumulate over time, >> since it keeps records of which keys you encrypted messages to. >This is a damn good question. I do NOT have the "write to a log file" > option slected in the misc. tab and it STILL writes a log file. How DO >we disable this? It's disabled, with the exception of keeping when it was last run. Technically a 'security hole' but so minor I can live with it. Maybe your version (I'm using beta 11) has a problem, but mine's fine. I was just careless and didn't look closely (not something one should do with crypto...) Rob -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAgUBMvLTBQTNlSxdPy6ZAQEe4Qf7B1tIyBSZvdtg48lSZAnr4IOh9NbbrgvK RSoGF8UVGnfQWgItsiYIkA82WAqxBBMQaJuHBolkm8PTh7eb/Q3dd4Wz9BZdMp/g +aCRIM2MzfX2+SagyTw4r7L98XozfcUkhnSKcmJQDtrrq04Rlglt5Muf96jrW++p ltp4gXh4nawx75GZlGIS2XB223g5Rd9RSXAGER0gV1BtZKYt8uGkzeGL0OnsZnr+ VUgNVmXX2jeCn0essUX5WcKlSK2vATkoqv3UR1deEbP0Xdt/PTwjS/GZHrvnP5B1 zfOn7iV0CGZYXWpQAGO58HtW16vqC8wZ6lb5N7tdbBRcGX0B/cHc8A== =49OA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----- "The word to kill ain't dirty | Robert Rothenburg (WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com) I used it in the last line | http://www.asb.com/usr/wlkngowl/ but use a short word for lovin' | Se habla PGP: Reply with the subject and dad you wind up doin' time." | 'send pgp-key' for my public key.

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell wrote: > At 09:05 PM 1/28/97 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: > >I dare say that the downside of this is much less pleasant than the > >virtual anarchy (in the bad sense) we suffer now. If the police get > >out of control, A.P. will arrive just in time to plug a few of those > >holes, so to speak. Ideally, future robotics should be able to provide > >something like Gort (sp?) to take the place of human officers, given > >advances in the kind of pattern matching needed to deter aggression and > >the like. Those who don't make it past the robots, well, the rest of > >us can learn to behave, and we'll be much better off when we do. > Your comparison with the fictional Gort, in the movie "The day the earth > stood still" is of course apt. It was only after I'd written most of the > essay that I realized that an AP-type system would function much as Gort did. There are some things that just go off in my mind like a light bulb coming on, and the realization that the system would take care of itself was one of those things. > Occasionally we (CP) see a spoof where somebody claims to have developed a > software program to "replace the judicial system" or something like that. > Well, the problem with such a claim (aside from the obvious and enormous > AI-type difficulties) is that the current system contains numerous biases. > Writing a program to replace the legal system would presumably require that > these biases be measured (and admitted-to!) and implemented into a > well-defined system. There is also a great deal of disinformation in the system, which leads to a misperception on the public's part about just what those biases might be. Examples that come to mind are the OKC bombing and the OJ murders. In both cases, grand juries composed of middle class people (all or almost all White in the Simpson case) would not indict based on the evidence they were given, and so they were dissolved and an excuse was made up to cover someone's butt. Now some of the fallout is blowing in in the form of revelations about the FBI crime lab. > What we'd discover is that the current system only barely resembles the > guarantees in the US Constitution. At that point, there would be an argument > between those who will insist that the Constitution be followed, and those > who believe that the current de-facto system, however biased, be maintained > as-is. I don't see any reason why we can't develop programs to do certain levels of preliminary analysis in these cases, much like the programs which have been around for years on PC's, i.e., Mind Prober, Decision Analyst, and so on. I gotta believe that teams of people who prepare these cases are using this stuff anyway, albeit discretely. If it's brought out into the open, and the public can look at case facts that have been processed thru multiple software sites, it would have to be a helluva lot better than Joe Schmucko's byline in the L.A. Times, for example.

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Re: Fwd:[Yet another -onics..] [NOISE][POTENTIAL HUMOR]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We have to stop this tragic corruption of the English language, to protect our childen's delicate ears and aesthetic sensibilities. Why, a mere few months ago, I encountered a child of no more than 10 singing along to "You Can Build A Mainframe From The Things You Find At Home" - corrupted by the adults in his environment into praising equipment that should never have been built by mankind and should be allowed to lie still, undiscovered for the rest of history. And this poor child knew all the words. Shocking. Our public schools have clearly failed to educate him correctly. >> ***************************** >> "GEEKONICS" IS JUST A BEGINNING >> by John Woestendiek >> Philadelphia Inquirer >> Wed., January 8, 1997 >> ***************************** ..... >> Controversial and widely misunderstood, the Geekonics movement was >> spawned in California's Silicon Valley, where many children have grown >> up in households headed by computer technicians, programmers, engineers >> and scientists who have lost ability to speak plain English and have >> inadvertently passed on their high-tech vernacular to their children. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sure, it's available. For most governments, though, even DES is enough to threaten their dominance, though 40-bit is pretty much a joke. The main impact of US 56-bit products would be that they make it easier to get crypto built in to unavoidable Microsoft applications*, [*If the Borg had any sense....] as opposed to the totally useless crypto in MS Word, etc.; users can obviously also use free-world crypto software also, but you usually have to explicitly go obtain and install that. With Netscape, even wimpy 40-bit crypto is a threat, since almost no country will block you from using it, and since 128-bit products are readily available overseas, though you also have to do nonzero work to get them. Since the two products are interoperable (at the wimpy level), it's easy to upgrade, and the 40-bit version also works with SafePassage. At 11:50 AM 1/31/97 -0800, sameer wrote: >> > "Other governments were upset with the 56-bit export allowance. >> > They said it was going to undermine their national security." >> >> On this point, the other governments are correct. >> It really _is_ tougher to maintain a nation-state when your >> former subjects can have private conversations with each other >> and with other governments' former subjects...... >> And even 56 bits is a start. > > Full strength crypto is already available worldwide. It makes >not one iota of difference. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Intelligence Update (fwd)
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 11:11 PM 1/30/97 -0800, you wrote: >>>Note: According to a recently obtained DOJ surveillance training manual: >>>"The typical range for the 28 ghz devices is six miles, the typical >>>range of the 2.4 ghz is thirty miles, and the typical range for the >>>1.7ghz is 44 miles." > >How sure are you about the quality of your sources here? >I'd expect 1.7ghz and above equipment to require line of sight, >and even a range of six miles seems really high for a very low power >device - getting that as "typical" seems pretty unlikely. >Could all of these figures have been 6, 30, and 44 _meters_ instead? :-) While these claims may be for links under near ideal conditions, Hams routinely make very long distace links at 900, 2400 and 5700 MHz during contests using less than 1 Watt. Also, our deep space probes operate many links to earth in this spectral region using low power transmitters. Of course they have 200 ft. antennas (e.g., Goldstone) at the receiveing end with cryogenic reciever front-ends. Links do become increasingly line-of-sight above 1 GHz this is radio not visual (i.e., shots through trees. etc.) and there is increasingly the ability to utilize reflection ("billboard" shots) advantageously. As frequency increases path loss also increases. Fortunately, as frequencies increase antenna gain also increases. In fact, by holding antenna dimensions constant (for an arbitrary antenna design, e.g., parabolic) gain increases with frequency in direct proportion to increasing path loss, thus cancelling it out. There are other factors, such as required S/N or bit error rate for the particular application, reciever sensitivity and noise floor, and background noise levels, which directly affect link margins (transmit power - path loss - reciever sensitivity; all in dB) and thus viability of a link. Above 1 GHz terrestrial noise, including that produced by man, declines rapidly at the moment. However, as more UHF communication devices and microprocessors operating at 100s of MHz proliferate that noise floor is sure to rise. --Steve

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Re: Cocksucker
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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