December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

s/n problems on this list
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've posted on this subject many times in the past, and its something I like to brainstorm on. signal to noise problems on this list. generally, the moderator-specific approaches I find less palatable than techniques that can be automated. here are some more ideas for automated moderation techniques. 1. software called "grouplens" I've talked about here (search yahoo) has been used to rate articles. they found that there was a very high correlation between how long people spent reading articles and the "interesting" rating that they gave that article. hence, a proposal: cpunks have long advocated and hacked mailer programs to stick in crypto. how about sticking in a hack that tracks how long mail messages are being read, and send that info back to an auxilliary mailing list address. the list software keeps track of time spent reading articles and can allow people to screen the list based on the "most interesting articles". "send me only those articles that go over a threshhold of 500 combined human attention minutes". of course this can be messed up by hackers who try to skew the ratings. I would suggest a limit on the max time per article per person. 2. I like the idea of a system that keeps track of complaints against given users. it could keep track of the complaint/per age of every subscriber. e.g. hypothetical: LD gets 10 complaints per week, and TCM gets 30 per week on average, and it could allow people to screen the mail based on these numbers, such as a command "send me mail of all users below a 20 complaint/per week value". you could, for either of these approaches, have an "official screening value" in which the owner of the list adjusts these parameters to his liking. just more ideas. I like cpunks generally favor a technological fix that doesn't involve bottlenecks of individual moderator opinions. (2) would be pretty easy to implement inside existing mailing list software, at the majordomo side.

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TEST- don't read
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

test -dont read

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Re: OTA papers
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>William H. Geiger said: > > >In <v02140b00af00318b1fef(a)[10.0.2.15]>, on 01/13/97 at 02:50 PM, > azur(a)netcom.com (Steve Schear) said: > > >>Its too bad OTA got the budgetary ax. I met several of the staff and I >>regarded them highly. > >Actually this is a GOOD thing. Now they will be using their talents & skills >in the real world providing a contribution to society rather than in another >unnecessary government bureaucracy. > >- -- I've read several of their papers and find, in those areas of which I feel competent, there are few commercial equivalents with corresponding quality and even-handedness in treatment. I agree with you its best that much or most of these government activities should occur in the market. I hope they do. Only time will tell. -- Steve

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RE: encryption program
by ed.falk＠Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> What is a Kappa test? Kappa test is described in Kahn's "Codebreakers". Basicly, you take two streams of random text and line them up one over the other. Look for letter matches between top and bottom. The percentage of matches is called Kappa. If the text is truly random, you should see matches 1/26 of the time. However, if the text is english, you should see matches about 6.6% of the time instead. Likewise, if the text is encrypted with a monoalphabetic cipher, you should *also* see matches 6.6% of the time. Likewise, if the text comes from two different messages encrypted with the same polyalphabetic cipher (and they're lined up properly) you again see Kappa = 6.6%. Finally, if the key repeats, and you've guessed the length of the repitition correctly, and you line up the ciphertext with itself accordingly, Kappa will again be 6.6%. > Is there software I can run to perform such a test? I've been writing my own as I go along; it's more educational to do it that way. As been mentioned earlier in this list, there's an archive of crypto software at ftp://ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/cryptanalysis I've been getting ideas from there, but it's more fun to write your own.

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[HIP] Hacking In Progress 1997
by Maurice Wessling 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Announcing HIP'97: A hacker convention and festival in the Netherlands on the 8th, 9th and 10th of August 1997. Version: 8 January 1997 Latest news at http://www.hip97.nl/ What is HIP? ------------ HIP is an acronym for `Hacking In Progress'. It will take place on the Friday 8th, Saturday 9th and Sunday 10th of August 1997 at campsite Kotterbos, Aakweg, Almere in The Netherlands. Remember `Hacking at the End of the Universe' (HEU) in 1993? The people that published Hack-Tic, a computer underground magazine in The Netherlands, organized it. Hundreds of hackers, phone phreaks, programmers, computer haters, data travellers, electro-wizards, networkers, hardwarefreaks, techno- anarchists, communications junkies, cyber- and cypherpunks, system managers, stupid users, paranoid androids, Unix gurus, whizz kids and warez dudes spent three days building their own network between their tents in the middle of nowhere, located in the Flevopolder in The Netherlands. HIP will be the sequel to HEU. A campsite full of PCs, laptops, and Unix machines, all connected via an intertent Ethernet that is connected to the Internet. People from all over the Netherlands and other countries will come together to learn and discuss the benefits, as well as the risks of new technologies. They'll listen to lectures, join workshops, enjoy special presentations and, last but not least, party, all of this in a friendly open-air environment of a very wired campsite far away from the civilized world. HIP will happen on the same days as `Beyond Hope', a hacker convention in New York, organized by the people of 2600 Magazine (http://www.2600.com/) There will be audio and video links between both events, and we're working on cool gadgets to further enhance your sense of `grassroots telepresence'. This will be a twin-event in the true sense of the word. Who is organizing HIP? ---------------------- Once there was a little magazine in The Netherlands called `Hack-Tic', and it published wild ways to play tricks on the information infrastructure of the world. The magazine doesn't exist anymore, but most of the people that wrote articles for the magazine or helped organize Hacking at the End of the Universe (1993) and even some of the people that helped put up the Galactic Hacker Party (1989) are still in touch with each other. The every-four-year-itch has gotten to us again... It's going to be quite a project to organize something that is better than HEU, but we're not facing it alone. We'll get lots of people to help us. The hackers that were present at HEU have successfully infiltrated in key positions to aid in the upcoming political takeover as was agreed. Many have the agreed-upon provisions in their job contracts since 1993, stating they would need time off for the final strategic meeting. HIPcamp and HIPnet ------------------ There'll be no hotel rooms or anything like that so you'll want to bring at least a tent and a sleeping bag to HIP, even if this means you can't bring the paper-tape unit that came with your VAX 11/780. We'll supply a campground, toilets, showers, good food and electrical power (as close to 220V/50Hz as possible) and we'll do our best to supply everyone who wants it with an Ethernet connection. You will probably be able to trade wiring, extra outlets, Ethernet cards, and the use of modular crimping tools for almost anything. HIPcamp will open on August 5th, three days before HIP starts. If you decide to join in that early expect pretty primitive circumstances. If you don't care about that, or think that's the best part, you can help build HIPnet and all other facilities. HIP stuff --------- A lot can and will happen in the coming months, and we'll keep adding new topics even during the event itself. But we're definitely going to discuss the legal situation regarding encryption, as well as the latest technical developments in this field. The current decay of the Usenet, copyright issues, censorship as well as many other legislative, social political and technical issues surrounding Internet will be discussed. Computer security, or the lack thereof will also be a hot topic. We'll have research workshops (i.e. GSM and chipcard security) and you can also join many `how-to' workshops and lectures where you can pick up on Linux (Unix you can run at home, not built by Microsoft), perl (a very powerful computer language) and many, many other topics. Tired of all these lectures and workshops: just sit down, smoke or drink socially accepted substances, interact with other humans, volunteer for kitchen work and have a good time. We've had people at the previous event that were not into computers at all, and they had fun. We'd like to receive as many ideas from you as possible at this stage. So if you (and some of your friends) want to organize a lecture or workshop, please let us know. If you keep having this wacky dream about some project or construction that would work really well in an environment with lots of other freaks, this is your call to action. We dream of an event with thousands of creators and no audience. No audience? ------------ We'll try to offer different ways for the Internet population to truly interact with the events at HIP. Please get in touch if you'll have some friends at your house and you want to have CU- SeeMe or other connections to us. We'll also be broadcasting live and buffered feeds of audio and video on the net. Mass- media coverage will be provided for the interactively challenged. I want to be HIP too! --------------------- Don't worry: you can be! Just visit our web site at http://www.hip97.nl/ and use the form to subscribe to the announcement mailing list. It's spam-free and will only carry HIP announcements written by us. You can also participate in the ongoing, yet slightly messy debate in the newsgroup alt.hacking.in.progress. If you can't find the newsgroup don't contact us. Refresh the grouplist in your newsreader or ask your access provider to check their newsfeed. As time slides by we'll have separate mailing lists for the preparation of research workshops, pictures and maps of the campsite and more detailed descriptions of workshops and lectures. If you think we're forgetting anything, please let us know. If you don't have access to the web you can subscribe to the announcement mailing list by sending an email message to majordomo(a)hip97.nl with the line subscribe hip-announce your_email_address in the body of the message. Announcements will also be posted in alt.hacking.in.progress. How to get to HIP ----------------- HIP will happen at campsite `Kotterbos', Aakweg, close to a city called Almere in the Netherlands. The campsite is at about a 30- minute drive from Amsterdam, along highway A6 to Lelystad. The nearest train station, Almere-Buiten, is four kilometers away. More information and maps will be on the website when the time comes. Press ----- All press is welcome to visit HIP, but there will be a few strict rules. All members of the press will pay the entrance fee, no discussion about this. There will be a part of the campsite that is off-limits to all press. No filming, photographing or recording is to take place there. Some people like to have a press-free moment, some have employment-related reason for shunning media attention. What else? ---------- Many more things could be said but it is still a bit early. The main networking tent and the bar will be open 24 hours a day and we'll have a depository to stash your laptops, backpacks and other valuables. We haven't figures out the exact entrance fee, but, just like HEU, HIP is going to be a non-profit event. And if you haven't guessed it yet: All workshops and plenary events will take place in English. How to get in contact with us ----------------------------- Most of your questions can be answered by visiting our website at http://www.hip97.nl/ Subscribe yourself to the mailing list and read alt.hacking.in.progress. If you have ideas or proposals mail them to info(a)hip97.nl or snailmail us: Hacking In Progress Postbus 1035 1000 BA Amsterdam The Netherlands Fax: +31 (0)20-5352082 What to do with this announcement --------------------------------- Please forward it to your friends or post it to appropriate mailing lists. Be sure to get the next version by subscribing to our mailing list. See you at HIP! EOF -- Hacking In Progress 1997 http://www.hip97.nl/ info(a)hip97.nl

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Reminder: Physical DC Cypherpunks Meeting
by Mark O. Aldrich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks: A January 1997 physical DC Cypherpunks meeting will be held at GRC International, Inc., in Vienna, Virginia, on Saturday, 18 January. Directions to GRCI, including a couple of spiffy-neato maps, are available at: http://www.grci.com/overview/locations/vienna/ If you're in town for the inauguration (yes, it's the following Monday), then stop by and check out the East Coast "punks" contingent. Meeting starts at 1400 hours (2:00 PM). You will be entering a secured facility and will have to endure the usual rigors of being badged, exchanging pleasantries with the guard, and being limited to "requires escort" status. So, allow a few minutes extra before the meeting starts. Agenda includes a presentation by Carl Ellison, Senior Systems Engineer from CyberCash, Inc. Ad-hoc additions are welcome - show up with your presentation materials and you're automatically added to the agenda. We even have a historical crypto-relevant door prize to be given away at the meeting! (Assuming you can haul it home <g>) GRCI is located at the corner of Gallows Road and Boone Blvd, about two miles north of the Dunn-Loring Metro station on the western end of the orange line. As solicitations for rides haven't appeared (yet) on the list, the assumption is that they're being coordinated off-list at the moment. If your ride fails you and you're stuck at the Metro on Saturday, the phone number for where we'll be meeting is 703.506.4951. We can try to beg you a ride from some gracious punk with wheels. The front desk is 703.506.5000 or 4000, is there's no answer downstairs. If you show up late for the meeting and there's nobody there to sign you in, you'll have to have the guard call us. We'll be downstairs in the "lower level conference room." Just say those words and s/he'll know where we are. S/he can then call and someone will come up to get you. Post-meeting world-problem-solving and beer-swilling activities can be undertaken in any of the numerous suitable locations in and about the illustrious Tyson's Corner locale. We'll coordinate at the end of the meeting. Hope to see y'all this Saturday! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |I want to die peacefully, | Mark Aldrich | |like my Granddad did. | GRCI INFOSEC Engineering | |Not in sheer terror, | maldrich(a)grci.com | |like his passengers did. | MAldrich(a)dockmaster.ncsc.mil| |_______________________________________________________________________| |The author is PGP Empowered. Public key at: finger maldrich(a)grci.com | | The opinions expressed herein are strictly those of the author | | and my employer gets no credit for them whatsoever. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: another idea?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > How about, we have > > cypherpunks-raw: unmoderated 110% SPAM > > cypherpunks: moderated by Sandy and other moderator. > > That was the original proposal. > Now that the 'discussion' has come around full circle, can we > stop talking about it and DO it? Am I to presume that we will be putting something in the "welcome to cypherpunks" message people get when they join to tell them how to subscribe to the uncensored list? - or are we going to have yet more censorship on this list which is rapidly degenerating into a playground of illuminati and elite censors??? Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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"Secret Power" by Nicky Hager
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm sorry about violating etiquette, but it appears that I'm stuck with 14 extra copies of this book, and I really would like to get them off my hands. If you are interested in buying a copy, please let me know. Otherwise, sorry about this spam. Ern

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Welcome to hip-announce
by Majordomo＠asterix.xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- Welcome to the hip-announce mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "Majordomo(a)asterix.xs4all.nl" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe hip-announce cypherpunks(a)toad.com Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: [Last updated on: Fri Dec 13 20:30:42 1996] Welcome to HIP announce! This mailinglist will only be used for regular announcements about major developments in the preparation for Hacking In Progress 1997. Only the list-owner will post to this list and it will be guaranteed low-volume. Up-to-date information about the HIP can be found at our website http://www.hip97.nl Please report any problems to info(a)hip97.nl See you at the HIP! Maurice Wessling

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17 Dec '03

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