December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Grumpy Old Cypherpunks
by TruthMangler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > > Toto, thanks for your thoughtful comments. Your touching defense of > Tim is interesting. I don't think it's so much a case of defending Tim as it is that Toto is an old mangy dog who is losing his eyesight and biting at everything that comes into his limited range of vision. > Contrary to what you might think, Assuming what others are assuming gets to be a nasty little cyle that leads you to sitting alone with two beers in front of you, arguing with yourself and finally getting mad enough at the *other* guy to drink *his* beer, too. > I really don't have anything against > Tim May, and I do go read things he (or others) have written in the > past. Apology accepted. > As to his legacy, and the legacy of cypherpunks in general, that > remains to be seen. The "legacy" already exists, whether it is recognized in the future, or not. Even a fruit fly has a legacy which is important to certain scientists. > None of the cypherpunks are in a position to be > able to judge very well, because they are so close to their favorite > issues that of course they look very large. Group discounts should be used for saving airfare, and not for lumping people (especially anarchists) into one mass and discounting their thoughts and opinions. I get tired of hearing how an individual's ability to 'judge' an issue increases with his lessening knowledge of it, or interest in it. Perhaps we need more retarded legislators and world-rulers in order to properly test this theory. > But it isn't a certainty > that any of the predictions of crypto-anarchy, for example, will come > to pass. It is possible that the surveillance state will win. Spank yourself, throw some cold water on your face, and take a look around you. The average person is not allowed to move an inch without taking a number and/or waiting for it to be called. "What were once vices, are now habits." The medium *is* the message, and today's mental medium is DoubleSpeak. The age-old "number's racket" is no longer a "criminal enterprise," but is, rather, a "government sponsered charitable institution" (or was; I have no idea what the current DoubleSpeak for it is). My personal view is that the war on DoubleSpeak was lost when we allowed Ronnie Rayguns & Co. to name a weapon of mass destruction "The Peacekeeper." If we had risen up and slaughtered a few hundred politicians at that time, then mental freedom would have had a slim chance of survival. Anyone who claims that 1984 hasn't arrived and thrived because we do not yet have loudspeakers on the streetcorners blaring, "You are not getting fucked by the government...You are not getting fucked by the government..." The surveillance state has already won, the only question is whether or not there will be a revolution. For God's sake, man, take a look around you. The surveillance state has ruled for years in the places it counts most--in the medium and in the message. The government is only solidifying ground already held with their further intrusions into areas of freedom and privacy, as well as extending their reach into the latest medium, the Net/WWW. Media content is ruled by the few and the powerful, and the masses are ruled by the media. You are permitted to speak out against government policy only if you have Freedom of Speech Permit #900873.7b and post a $50,000 Non-Incitement to Terrorism bond. The battle for freedom and privacy is mostly about governments and corporations fighting over each other having access to *their* secrets, not the common man and woman's secrets. Their fight over the common people is only whether they will be controlled via key escrow or cookies. Name any issue and you will find it surrounded by a plethora of laws regulating when, where, and how it can be spoken about. The only thing that makes Jim Bell (the lunatic, speed-freak, drug addicted tax-dodger whose convictions seem to have mostly only taken place within the confines of media-reality) special is that he spoke loud enough to get some government and media attention. Most people are like dogs with their tails between their legs, who take vain pride in the decent, law-abiding "character" they display in whimpering, somehow managing to forget that the reason they no longer bark is because they were beaten every time they did so. > More > likely, of course, the world will go in a direction that will surprise > all of us (except that Tim will tell us he considered the possibility > in a paper he wrote back in the 1970s). What will look portentious and > what will look pretentious 10 years from now is hard to judge... > > Personally, I am in favor of absolute personal privacy, but I don't > define that to include economic dealings -- as far as I am concerned, > business or economic privacy is at a lower level of concern than > personal privacy. And having a small burning rod shoved up your ass is "at a lower level of concern" than having a large one shoved up there? Are you being held hostage in a tower of intellect? > This puts me at odds with the prevailing > libertarian bent of cypherpunks, of course. However, I was thrown off > my stride by the high level of downright hostility so common on this > list. Like most people, I tend to respond in kind. This list is one of the few places where the dogs still bark (and bite, as well). Smarmy "gumming" of the logic and opinions of others on this list will not get you many doggie bones. My personal pet peeve is the fucking happy faces that abound in posts everywhere. If you can't figure out whether a comment is an insult or humor, then take it as an insult, because any professed difference between the two is only an illusion. I suppose that it is only a matter of time before I walk into a happy-face factory and start blowing people away at random. A barking gun is only the final result of years of govement and societal suppression of our natural instinct to bark loud and long when intruders invade our personal space. Or perhaps I will walk into a happy-face factory and just bark at them. If they fail to recognize the humor in my actions, then I suppose that I will have to grab a mask and "put on a happy face." After all, the medium is the message. TruthMangler

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Re: Reporters, Declan, Columns, Articles, and Angles
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Comments: Authenticated sender is <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> From: "Ross Wright" <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> Organization: King Media and RW Marketing To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 Subject: Re: Reporters, Declan, Columns, Articles, and Angles On or About 10 Apr 97 at 19:09, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > "Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> writes: > <doesn't matter what, 3 times> > > That's $3 for Sinn F\'ein. Thank you, Phil. > > P.S. Fuck your Queen. Free Rule for Ireland! ### So you're giving it _all_ to the Pope? Typical Mick thinking!

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FinCEN Resources
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:12:46 -0500 To: Digital Commerce Society of Boston <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> From: Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> Subject: FinCEN Resources Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> >From the French "Intelligence" newsletter web http://www.blythe.org/Intelligence; --------------------------------------------- Intelligence, N. 56, 24 March 1997, p. 21 U.S.A. - "Silent" FinCEN Uses a Bullhorn. After we published several articles concerning the Department of the Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) in 1994, there was talk of FinCEN "clamming up", in 1995 following the appointment of Stanley E. Morris as the new director who "doesn't talk in public". Those rumors were poorly informed, as Morris himself proved, in March 1996, with the publication of his article, "From FinCEN's Director" which opened the first issue of "FinCEN Advisory". Seven issues of the "Advisory" have now been published and cover questions such as the Seychelles, fund-transfer record keeping, money laundering typologies developed with the OECD/G-7 Financial Action Task Force (FATF), the "Safe Harbor" provision, Mexico and other questions. Vin McLellan + The Privacy Guild + <vin(a)shore.net> 53 Nichols St., Chelsea, MA 02150 USA <617> 884-5548 -- <@><@> -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from the dcsb list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA Lesley Stahl: "You mean *anyone* can set up a web site and compete with the New York Times?" Andrew Kantor: "Yes." Stahl: "Isn't that dangerous?" The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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[Fwd] AEgis Shell 3.0 Release
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: mlyman(a)aegisrc.com (Mike Lyman) >Subject: AEgis Shell 3.0 Release >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >I am happy to belatedly announce the release of AEgis Shell 3.0 for PGP. The >release version has actually been posted for the last several days but the >order processing pieces have finally been put in place. > >You can get the shell from http://www.aegisrc.com/Products/Shell > >If you plan to order the shell on the commercial shareware license you AEgis >POC for sales is Michelle Bass. > >I also want you to know that tech support will be a little slow for the next >few weeks. I am moving to a new job in Redmond, WA and AEgis will no longer >be my primary employer, my main paycheck will come from someone else. I will, >however, continue to work for AEgis on the shell and will continue to support >it as will others. Until my equipment catches up to me, it will be impossible >for me to track down new glitches. I will be able to answer question about >the standard problems users have. > >I'd like to remind you that there is a shell-users mailing list available >where users can support each other. This may be your fastest support channel >for the next week. You can join this list by sending a message to >shell-users-request(a)aegisrc.com with the word subscribe in the body of the >message. To send a message to the list, send it to shell-users(a)aegisrc.com. > >I will continue to monitor the shell-support(a)aegisrc.com address. You can >reach me directly at my alumni organization address of mlyman(a)west-point.org. >My mlyman(a)aegisrc.com address will be forwarded to that address for a few >months. > >Mike Lyman USMA '87 >Software Engineer Webmaster Postmaster >mlyman(a)aegisrc.com PGP Key 0xC34BEF45 >AEgis Research Corporation http://www.aegisrc.com >6703 Odyssey Drive, Suite 200 Huntsville, AL 35806 >Voice: 205.922.0802 Fax: 205.922.0904 > >I'm changing jobs on 14 April, my new email address is: >mlyman(a)west-point.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 4.5 >Comment: PGPMail 4.5 (formerly ViaCrypt's PGP) > >iQCVAgUBM06CMMUiy4XDS+9FAQFPCwP/cVZPiXzEmNjm0foqN3Le1qU+wSKAEYOt >7zBv1QpstVNhR3QPbk+BOQr0fFbewioeuDOWp/inFC0u2MvboU+Z2sQswBeaYp4B >1v4G3H0OE5VfJ1tBhUJOs2qk3tQvtEGivMJ53RexONwUw+BuVoMo/uPNm9OCpnb6 >ocgumVDO+NU= >=4/Iy >-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: SSL weakness affecting links from pa
by ARTURO GRAPA YSUNZA 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See http://www.Microsoft.com/security/ under "Credit Card Security Concerns and Microsoft's Response" for Microsoft's response on the SSL GET/POST weakness. ¿Any opinions? Art Grapa agrapa(a)banamex.com ---------- From: Mark M. To: ARTURO GRAPA YSUNZA; Bill Stewart Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: Re: SSL weakness affecting links from pa Date: Saturday, March 29, 1997 1:11AM Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note De: Mark M. Para: ARTURO GRAPA YSUNZA Bill Stewart Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com cryptography(a)c2.net Asunto: Re: SSL weakness affecting links from pa Fecha: 1997-03-29 01:11 Prioridad: 3 Ident. del mensaje: 83A07AD005A0D011AF8C006097838CEB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Bill Stewart wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com:80/intweek/daily/970327x.html > has an article about an SSL problem that affects both Netscape > and MicrosoftIE browsers, leaking "secure" data such as > credit card numbers from web pages with GET-based SSL forms on it. > It was discovered by Dan Klein. > > There isn't specific detail about how the flaw works, > but it says that it affects GET forms but not POST. > Commentary from NS, MS, Gene Spafford, and Steve Bellovin. > > "It's like you've gone to the restaurant with your lover," Klein said. > "The restaurant is there, it's private, yet when you leave the restaurant > you have the menu in your hand and there's food all over your shirt." I would guess that this means that Netscape and Explorer send the complete URL of the page that linked to another site in the "HTTP-REFERER" header in the clear when SSL is used. The only temporary solution is to use a local web proxy that removes this header, or, as the article suggests, manually type in an URL that is linked from a page using SSL. I can't think of too many situations where one might follow a link to another site immediately after sending sensitive information, but the contents of the "HTTP-REFERER" header are often logged, and the log is often world-readable... > > > > # Thanks; Bill > # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com > # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp > # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.) > > Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMzytJyzIPc7jvyFpAQE3gAf/frvfAWg44mEeg2AyhxlFKBmmh3yWEtmq l8np9nTMz20/PHcF2uzDHrpSEcAY2WPcvEvu+57QGelU0H2LoH2qGFNeVisPQURE 9F5gUZvFeyubL9UVLlUoxVIMCumLM+y31zqVaMb8GwwGnHWNcHc1rqnUhchYamiJ BbU04U3xaF5b5/mMBzKTU/tfTajeIDsAl0dhk0rzvXAMN2n26idoWic39ZzhHnsE QOOfi4oI8XK4cMbjOKbwnSR7Xbt78800vilyp+mvkfgp/bR6ygougYzYz1s9dNY3 HgGpnuxDzFoHnqlIQ7in3N+QXXzSNh8TiVfU6w3PjoRk3RNZHX+DTQ== =QOto -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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None Mondex
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There's a rumor that Timothy Mayhem sells his dead relatives as fertilizer as they constitute the best shit in California. ||||||||||| \~0/ \0~/ < (0) > --oOO--/|||\--OOo- Timothy Mayhem

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Swedish Narcotics Police Demand Telephone Card Database
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

According to an article in the Swedish newspaper, Svenska Dagbladet <http://www.svd.se/svd/ettan/ettan_97-04-11/narkotikapolisen.html>, the Stockholm narcotics police has asked the national police and State Prosecutor to require that purchasers of a new telephone card used for mobile telephones be registered, and that the police have access to the purchaser database. "Since the card is purchased anonymously, the owner cannot be determined, which makes wiretapping impossible." The new card is pre-paid with 250 or 550 kroner (very roughly $32 or $70) air time and a telephone number, but does not require any other subscription. The card can be used on an ordinary GSM mobile telephone "which can be borrowed or stolen" and can be re-loaded when the air time runs out. A similar card is in use in France. However, the French security service made the government force the telephone company to require that purchasers show an id card when tbey purchase the card. Quickly translated and summarized by Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: KC post per Alec
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> writes: > Crispin: > > Personally, I am in favor of absolute personal privacy, but I don't > > define that to include economic dealings -- as far as I am concerned, > > business or economic privacy is at a lower level of concern than > > personal privacy. This puts me at odds with the prevailing > > What's the difference? > > I suppose (and I'm no mind reader) that Kent feels that who you fuck/suck (for kicks, not for money) is your business, but what you do for a living is the gubmint's business. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Grumpy Old Cypherpunks
by David Gilchrist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:31 AM 4/11/97 CST, TruthMangler wrote: >Kent Crispin wrote: >> >> Toto, thanks for your thoughtful comments. Your touching defense of >> Tim is interesting. <yammeryammersnip> >> list. Like most people, I tend to respond in kind. > > This list is one of the few places where the dogs still bark (and >bite, as well). Smarmy "gumming" of the logic and opinions of others >on this list will not get you many doggie bones. I like that. Bite me. > My personal pet peeve is the fucking happy faces that abound in >posts everywhere. If you can't figure out whether a comment is an >insult or humor, then take it as an insult, because any professed >difference between the two is only an illusion. I like that, too. Happy face me. > I suppose that it is only a matter of time before I walk into a >happy-face factory and start blowing people away at random. A barking >gun is only the final result of years of govement and societal >suppression of our natural instinct to bark loud and long when >intruders invade our personal space. You must work for the post office. Shoot me. >TruthMangler > >

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Jim Bell / Columbian News Articles
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A variety of articles on Jim Bell are available at: http://www.columbian.com -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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