December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[noise] Re: JSC Security Report
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:29 PM 2/18/97 -0500, John Young wrote: >"Redefining Security," a 1994 report to the DoD and the CIA by >The Joint Security Commission, offers bountiful information >on US security strategies, policies, agencies, methodologies, >and techniques, you name it, with designs for the future. > > http://jya.com/jcs.htm (454K) > >If you ever wanted to talk like the spooks, parrot this dictionary >of NatSec ebonics. Great, I'll look into it. I've been meaning to get some info on the like. You just can't convince someone that you are one of them unless you talk like them. And I would like to get all relevant information to any investigations into my activities faxed to the nearest Kinko's.

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Re: Stop sending me your shit
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:04 PM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >At 08:38 PM 2/18/97 +0200, you wrote: >: >:Get me off your list or else ..... . Get me out your fuckin list assholes. > >Certainly you learned on your mother's knee that you can get more of what >you want from other people with kindness rather than anger and rudeness. >What did she say about using foul words? Lets think about these things. > >You may be in for a long stay here. These folks can be downright nasty >sometimes. > ... Personally, I just responded to one persons statement, (the one with the modicum of courtesy) and decided to let this looser languish, (because of his foul additude). I think that by this, maybe, he'll learn not to bite the hand of the persons who he is asking for help from. It also gives me a none too innocent feeling of graditude to know that this person will suffer a little longer, all because I decided that I didn't like him.

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ISP access fee rebuttal
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you are interested in the on-going debate over ISP access charges, I sugest you look at a newly published report perpared for the Internet Access Coalition. It stomps on the RBOC assertions that dial-in access to the Net is having a generally negative impact on their telephone networks from both performance and financial asapects. http://www2.itic.org/itic/eti_toc.html --Steve

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Re: Any more like www.anonymizer.com ??
by ! Drive 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:58 PM 2/18/97 -0500, Jeremiah A Blatz might have said: >edgarswank(a)juno.com (Edgar W Swank) writes: >> Does anyone have a list of web proxies for anonymous surfing? >> >> I already know about www.anonymizer.com, and there was a >> "canadianizer" that would alter text to make it more "Canadian", >> but that is now apparently defunct. > >There's a Zippifier (inserts Zippy the Pinhead quotes) at: >http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml > A proposal and prototype of a different anonymity mechanism can be found at: http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/projects/onion-routing/overview.html

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Re: Any more like www.anonymizer.com ??
by ! Drive 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:58 PM 2/18/97 -0500, Jeremiah A Blatz might have said: >edgarswank(a)juno.com (Edgar W Swank) writes: >> Does anyone have a list of web proxies for anonymous surfing? >> >> I already know about www.anonymizer.com, and there was a >> "canadianizer" that would alter text to make it more "Canadian", >> but that is now apparently defunct. > >There's a Zippifier (inserts Zippy the Pinhead quotes) at: >http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml > A proposal and prototype of a different anonymity mechanism can be found at: http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/projects/onion-routing/overview.html

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Re: Any more like www.anonymizer.com ??
by ! Drive 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:58 PM 2/18/97 -0500, Jeremiah A Blatz might have said: >edgarswank(a)juno.com (Edgar W Swank) writes: >> Does anyone have a list of web proxies for anonymous surfing? >> >> I already know about www.anonymizer.com, and there was a >> "canadianizer" that would alter text to make it more "Canadian", >> but that is now apparently defunct. > >There's a Zippifier (inserts Zippy the Pinhead quotes) at: >http://www.metahtml.com/apps/zippy/welcome.mhtml > A proposal and prototype of a different anonymity mechanism can be found at: http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/projects/onion-routing/overview.html

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Re: alt.cypherpunks.ebonics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:16 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >A friend, who, in the CP tradition requested to remain anonymous, and I were >doing an informal analysis of those subjects/topics which over the past year >generated the most discussion and, by implication, interest on the CP list. >Since the list at that time was reportedly unmoderated, we felt some weight >should be given to members' interests/desires as measured by their posts, >regardless of the applicability to the list topic. > >With the exceptions of AP (oh so clearly way off-topic), Quite to the contrary, AP is NOT "oh so clearly way off-topic." First AP, as I've sketched it uses many of the encryption/digital-signature/verification techniques which are often discussed here and are essentially universally agreed as being on-topic. Secondly, the _PROSPECT_ of AP (or, if you'd like, more generally, the whole field of cryptoanarchy, which disables the State by making it unnecessary and powerless) would be and probably is most of the motivation for the various "let's control encryption" proposals that the US government and others have pushed over the last few years. On the other hand, it is equally clear that while AP is "on-topic," nevertheless it is quite distinctly distasteful to a few people around here who seem to believe that the _political_ and _technical" implications of good encryption can be kept safely separated. It is obvious that you are one of those people. It is equally obvious that you are not honest enough to admit that. So rather than say merely "I don't like it" you try to embellish your claims with "oh so clearly way off-topic." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Removal from newsgroup listing
by PIONEER146＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please remove from the mailing list, please. Thank you. Pioneer146(a)aol.com

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Re: alt.cypherpunks.ebonics
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:16 AM 2/18/97 -0500, Alec wrote: >A friend, who, in the CP tradition requested to remain anonymous, and I were >doing an informal analysis of those subjects/topics which over the past year >generated the most discussion and, by implication, interest on the CP list. >Since the list at that time was reportedly unmoderated, we felt some weight >should be given to members' interests/desires as measured by their posts, >regardless of the applicability to the list topic. > >With the exceptions of AP (oh so clearly way off-topic), Quite to the contrary, AP is NOT "oh so clearly way off-topic." First AP, as I've sketched it uses many of the encryption/digital-signature/verification techniques which are often discussed here and are essentially universally agreed as being on-topic. Secondly, the _PROSPECT_ of AP (or, if you'd like, more generally, the whole field of cryptoanarchy, which disables the State by making it unnecessary and powerless) would be and probably is most of the motivation for the various "let's control encryption" proposals that the US government and others have pushed over the last few years. On the other hand, it is equally clear that while AP is "on-topic," nevertheless it is quite distinctly distasteful to a few people around here who seem to believe that the _political_ and _technical" implications of good encryption can be kept safely separated. It is obvious that you are one of those people. It is equally obvious that you are not honest enough to admit that. So rather than say merely "I don't like it" you try to embellish your claims with "oh so clearly way off-topic." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Removal from newsgroup listing
by PIONEER146＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Please remove from the mailing list, please. Thank you. Pioneer146(a)aol.com

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