December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Phill wrote: > I'm a philosophical anarchist and I don't consider the state to have > "rights" over its "subjects", nor do I believe in the pure ideology of > property you do. > > Its worth noting that the origin of property is theft. In the case of the BULLSHIT. BULL FUCKING SHIT. The origin of property is labor. Claiming that _my_ property is the result of ME stealing, and hence what I OWN belongs to the community IS theft. I work, and as the result of that work something is created. That something is MINE to do with as I will. If I choose to sell that work for money, that money is mine. If I trade that money for shoes, those shoes are mine. THere is no theft involved. > controllers of China literally so since they stole most of their "property" > from the previous rulers. They "won" it in combat. The people of china obviously prefered new government to the old one, or they would have prevented the takeover. > I believe that the relationship between a state and individual is > a much more complex one than the slavish subjection model > you propose. In this I am in agreement with practically every > philosopher since Locke. Practically every philosopher since Locke has recieved their education at a Government or "Elite" sponsored school, and made their livings the same way. I'm not claiming conspiracy here, but those that feed at the trough aren't going to insult it overmuch.

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Re: Last nail for US crypto export policy?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >January 28, 1997 - Ian Goldberg, a UC Berkeley graduate student, > >announced today that he had successfully cracked RSA Data Security > >Inc.'s 40-bit challenge cipher in just under 3.5 hours. I just ran out of asswipe. Does anyone have any RSA Data Security, Inc. stock they'd like to sell? Toto

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Re: [noise] RE: Shave the Whales
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mullen, Patrick wrote: > Is there a way we can keep the caricatures w/out getting the rest of the > message > w/ these postings? I like the ASCII art, but... I've just started clipping and saving the characters w/o the text that accompanies them. I've got a dozen so far, so check back in a week or so and I'll forward a set to anyone who wants. Unless, of course, someone has a bucket of them now. BTW, some of the recent ones are pretty amazing: a bat, a scorpion, a cow, etc.

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Altavista
by mjw＠VNET.IBM.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Mark Waddington Subject: Altavista > However, the doubleclick.net ads appear to bear no relationship to the > keywords being searched... Interestingly, I've just noticed over the last couple of days that the in-line ads are directly relevant to the search words I enter. I did a search yesterday on "Quicken" and "security" and all the in-line ads I was shown referred to security or penetration detection products. Mark Waddington Interactive Financial Services | Phone : +61-3-96266574 Business Development Manager | Mobile: +61-412-217316 IBM Asia Pacific | Fax : +61-3-96266273

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Re: Last nail for US crypto export policy?
by sameer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://now.cs.berkeley.edu/ > Yee-hah! Congratulations (and enjoy the $1000 check!) > So what did you do interesting cryptographically in the crack, > other than coordinating a bunch of workstations? > Was it just brute force with well-tuned code? > Given the figures in your press release, it sounds like you > tested about 350 billion keys out of a trillion possible, > so you hit the winner a shade early. That's about 400,000 keys/sec/box. > Are the machines mostly Pentiums, Alphas, Suns, etc.? -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 President FAX: 510-986-8777 C2Net http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net

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Re: Trolling with Dale (a bite)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Huge Cajones Remailer wrote: > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Subject: Re: overview.htm (fwd) > Dale Thorn hopelessly wrote: > >Let's be realistic about how AIDS is acquired. > Yes, Dale, let's. Dale makes an excellent case for having a moderated > list right here. What do his nutball beyond-the-fringe remarks have > to do with crypto, privacy, security? Cripes, in the old days even an > _accurate_ off-list remark would open a blast furnace of condemnation, > a la Jim B. If the list won't moderate itself to "guide" the Dale's, > it DESERVES to be moderated. He's gotta be trolling to keep it hard. Well, I don't know who you are, so (despite your remarks) I can't really tell what your question is. I suppose if we sat down with a human moderator and a copy of Applied Cryptography, you'd know the XOR's and S-boxes and whatnot better than I. That's why we need people like you on this list, especially the moderated list, since you know the conventional (academic) crypto really well. To be honest, I'm after more important things, but hey, keep plugging away and maybe I'll learn something from you. Hugs and stuff....

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Re: can Sun Tzu be a cypherpunks?
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)nowhere.com wrote: > Quotations from the Art Of War by Sun Tzu > A Military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, > appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective. > Draw them in with the prospect of gain, take them by confusion. > Use humility to make them haughty. Tire them by flight. Cause division > among them. Attack when they are unprepared, make your move when they > do not expect it. The all-time master was Rudolph Wanderone (sp?), a.k.a. Minnesota Fats. There was an article on him that told how he cleaned the pool champ in Atlantic City circa 1960. In later years, he played Mosconi on TV several times, and had quite a few people convinced he wasn't a very good player, at least "not as good as" Mosconi. The movie Color Of Money shows what this meant, and just how unprepared the public is to believe that someone like Fats could really be the best. Kinda like Tom Wolfe and the pirates thing.

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Richard Fiero wrote: > Get it straight Sandy Sandfort. I'm not in your home. I am in > my home and I will observe my priorities, not your's. Silly things happen when one responds literally to an obvious metaphor. (see, "analogy.") > ...In part I refer to a > Sandy Sandfort reply to a criticism made by Paul Bradley. The reply was > made public two hours before the criticism was. Nonsense. Richard may have read my response on the Unedited list and Paul post on the Moderated list, but I sent my response to each list in the appropriate order, Paul's post, followed by my response. In any event, how would intentionally reversing the order have benefited me? This specious argument makes no sense. > In the reply, Sandy Sandfort employs the name-calling "sophist" > and "hypocrite." Nope, wrong again. I referenced sophistry and hypocracy. I leave the significance of the difference as an exercise to the student. (Hint: one is an argument to the man, the other isn't.) > Also in the reply is the Freudian slip or obscene proposition: > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "Force," my ass. > Shouldn't this have gone to cypherpunks-flames? And wrong yet again. Not a personal attack but commentary on wooly thinking. > One might wonder just what the rules of proper decorum are. One might read my posts on this point and pay attention. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Best Computer School?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MIT probably has a need-blind admissions policy; they don't care whether or not you have money. When they admit you, at least. Let me plug Carnegie Mellon University, which consistently ties with MIT and one of them California schools for first place in computer science. It's not quite as hard to get into as MIT, though you do have to deal with Pittsburgh winters. The town itself is small enough to be friendly, and big enough to be interesting. Jim Morris, the head of the computer science department, was my instructor for a data structures class and truly seemed to care about his students' well-being. Oh, and I remember we had t-shirts saying: "MIT -- the CMU of Massachusetts." -Declan Rick wrote: >At 12:32 PM 1/28/97 -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: >>This is really exagerating. You do not need a 4.0, 1600, etc. to be >>admitted to MIT. Sure, you need good grades, but a 3.6 average and >>1350-1400 SAT scores is perfectly adequate to be admitted to MIT. > >I disagree and can speak from experience. I was denied admission to MIT >even thought I had a 3.82 GPA, 1440 SAT (one try), and had taken 9 AP tests >with two 5's, four 4's, two 3's, and one 2. As for being well-rounded, I >was on several academic teams, sang in Chorus, acted and stage managed in >Drama, and played Tennis. > >The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. I >made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need >full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the >Russian front!" > >>For what it's worth, I wanted to go to MIT my sophomore year in high >>school, too > >Lucky you. It had been a dream of mine since I was an annoying >overachiever of 6. Sux to be white trash, I guess. > >MIT may be a great school, but they tend to be snooty assholes for the most >part. (DISCLAIMER: Not all MIT grads/attendees are necessarily "snooty >assholes", I'm just saying that I've yet to meet one that wasn't.) >_________ o s b o r n e @ g a t e w a y . g r u m m a n . c o m _________ >"He who knows, does not speak. >He who speaks, does not know." ------------------------- Washington Correspondent The Netly News Network http://netlynews.com/

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OKSAS wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, blanc wrote: > > From: jim bell > > I was thinking the reason that most people don't think of applying AP is > > because they're normal. It is not the first thought of a normal person to > > kill another human, just because they've been offended - even severely. It > > takes an extraordinary circumstance to motivate one to such destruction, > > especially if there are a thousand armed troops supporting the object of > > the attempt. > Any normal person has potential to kill, > why they don't...? They have other thoughts > and dreams for a better future. Some people in society are like a bad dream (ok, ok). Anyway, they are a lot harder to get rid of than just waking up and going back to sleep. But AP offers the first practical solution to this problem. Get rid of the bad dreams, have good dreams. What could be better?

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