December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

A vote of confidence for Sandy
by Marc J. Wohler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have the utmost confidence in Sandy and his efforts to revive the quality of our list.

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Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experiment in Jan
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Sun Jan 5 17:03:17 1997 > Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > I agree with Sandy Sandfort and many others that things have gotten > way out of hand on the list. He and I feel that the only proposed > solutions likely to succeed involve inserting human judgement in the > cypherpunks posting process, rather than mere automation.[snippo] > Like many of you, I have become very disenchanted with the > quality of discourse on this list.[mo' snippo] I'll bet Hitler was disenchanted by the declaration against him by the World Jewish Congress. I'll bet Andrew Jackson was disenchanted with the decisions of the Seminole Indian leaders to not just lay down and die. And now Sandy is disenchanted. What a hypocritical asshole.

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High-tech tracking by police raises legal outcry
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From The Orange County Register, Front Page, Sunday 1-5-97 Police across the country secretly tail hundres of people each year by attaching high-tech transmitters to suspects' cars and tracking them on squadroom computer screens. Detectives, federal agents and prosecutors routinely conceal use of the technology from defendants, their lawyers and the public, an investigation by The Orange County Register has found. Autorities in Orange County often plant the devices on cars without getting a warrant from a judge. ... The technology, marketed by a company called Teletrac, is simple: A tramsmitter sends a radio signal to a computer, which pinpoints the car's street location. Police with the proper software can follow a transimitter-equipped vehicle in real time as it moves across a street map on a computer screen. ... "Is there any expectation of privacy on the whereabouts of a car on a public street? I suggest there isn't," said [Jeffrey] Ferguson, president of the county's narcotics officer's association. "I've told them they don't need a warrant unless they intend to enter a car." ... The system automatically records the time, date, location and duration of the car's stops. The system could tell police, for example, that the suspect's car stopped on Main Street between 4th and 5th streest for about an hour on Jan. 5. The records help police focus their investigation on places the suspects visits. ------- Obviously, several list members were wrong. Travel GAK is not coming; It is already here. <CENTER>BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING</CENTER>

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Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experiment in
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:02 PM 1/5/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >With STUMP robomoderator, the great majority of posts are autoapproved, >because they come from preapproved posters. In the newsgroups moderated >by STUMP, moderators review only a small fraction of incoming messages. I like this. Seems that list moderating technology has made some progress. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: Will off-topic libertarian bullshit be allowed on the moderated mailing list?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:39 PM 1/5/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >If restrictions on content are to be imposed, it is not only fair >but also rational to exclude off-topic political rants as well as >flames. Both of these categories add zero value to accomplishing >Cypherpunks' mission. I disagree. If you want "straight crypto", subscribe to Coderpunks. This list is first and foremost a political list. Yes, I said it. Cypherpunks is a political list. If it was just a technical list, it would have never become as popular as it did. Nor would it have helped to create such a strong sense of community amongst many of its long time subscribers. As to firearms: Crypto is a weapon. There are very good reasons why governments determined to overstep their bounds are working so hard to restrict access to both crypto and firearms. You can't have one without the other. At least not for long. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experim
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 5 Jan 97 at 22:38, Black Unicorn wrote: > Excellent until the flames list is eliminated. Yes I want to read this list, flames and all. I guess I'm just used to it by now. I don't filter it myself (except manually) so I don't want to trust someone I don't know to do it. Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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RE: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experiment in Jan
by Robert Barnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

</Exit lurker mode> Congratulations on your decision to moderate this list. My bottom line feeling with respect to this is that we cannot expect freedom unless we are willing to exercise responsibility. It is apparent that the people who are noisiest about freedom of speech and content censoring are working tirelessly to abuse the list and provoke the very opposite of their stated ideals. As for the spammers who have run riot in recent months, moderation will remove the burden of re-transmitting this unwanted garbage from the list server and save us all the time and effort currently wasted dealing with it. </Enter lurker mode>

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No Subject
by anonymous＠miron.vip.best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

excellent potential but don't you think some of (most of?) the noise is being generated deliberately in order to fuck up the usefulness of the list --- and the moderators can be easily swamped. well, good luck to us anyway.

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Re: High-tech tracking by police raises legal outcry
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>From The Orange County Register, Front Page, Sunday 1-5-97 > >Police across the country secretly tail hundres of people each year by >attaching high-tech >transmitters to suspects' cars and tracking them on squadroom computer screens. > [snip] > >The technology, marketed by a company called Teletrac, is simple: A >tramsmitter sends a >radio signal to a computer, which pinpoints the car's street location. >Police with the >proper software can follow a transimitter-equipped vehicle in real time as >it moves across a >street map on a computer screen. > I'm quite familiar with Teletrac's technology. It consist of a receiver, very similar to a pager, tuned to about 930 MHz and a transmitter (up to a 50 Watt peak power) operating in the unlicensed 902-928 MHz band using direct sequence spread spectrum coding. The service acts by sending out 'ping' messages to mobile devices on the pager channel and triangulating for the their return pulses via a rather dense chain of stations in each city/area covered. This is very similar to how aircraft transponders work. There are at least three straightforward countermeasures to Teletrac. First, look under your car. Teletrac requires a relatively good antenna placement. The box should be visible. Second, a sweep by any professional surveillance service will surely find it. Third, any competent RF person (e.g, an amateur radio operator) can retune any number of narrow band 900 MHz RF comsumer electronic devices (e.g, cordless phone) to jam the Teletrac paging receiver and disable all such devices in your proximity. Please note this is not legal, but your unlikely to get caught. PGP Fingerprint: FE 90 1A 95 9D EA 8D 61 81 2E CC A9 A4 4A FB A9 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | Internet: azur(a)netcom.com Lamarr Labs | Voice: 1-702-658-2654 7075 West Gowan Road | Fax: 1-702-658-2673 Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | --------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet and Wireless Development 1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead in the future! --Adolf Hitler

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RE: C'punks "moderation" experiment
by Robert Barnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn wrote: >>Vin McLellan wrote: >>> Thank you. I look forward to more of the best of C'punks, without >>> having the hassle of continually weeding out the vapid bullshit. >>> Apparently because of your philosophical orientation, you have stayed open >>> -- and kept the List open -- to this pattern of eggregious harassment far >>> longer than I would have thought possible. I applaud your patience, but >>> for myself -- I have had more than enough! >> >>Well, Vin, without commenting on your plug for censorship, I can only >>say that I hope you are *very* fond of Sandy Sandfort, since he becomes >>YOUR LORD GOD for cypherpunks list purposes. >> >>How many other gods do you have, Vin (if that's your real name, Vin)? > My understanding was that there would probably be more than one moderator, also as Sandy's moderation decisions will be open to scrutiny by interested members of the list I cannot see the list membership accepting unsuitable moderation decisions, either by Sandy or anyone else. This list has a purpose, lets get back to it. > >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Robert Barnes Phone: +61 7 32529722 > Fax: +61 7 32571403 >Tritronics (Australia) Pty Ltd Email: robertb(a)tritro.com.au > >PGP Key fingerprint > = 02 A6 22 5E 26 D3 7C 4D E2 91 9E 15 AC EA B1 58 >Send e-mail with "get key" in the "Subject:" field to get >a copy of my public key

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