December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Sandy dumps Igor but allows KOTM
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sandy Sandfort, our Leader, Moderator, Guidance Counselor, Censor, and Speaker-to-Gilmour said: "By the way, contrary to what Dimitri has alleged, I have posted every message from him in which he was able to restrain himself with regard to gratuitous insults and/or spam. In other words, the set of Dimitri posts that have appeared on the moderated list is not the null set." However, KOTM wrote: "Anything? My good friend TRRCJ3 reports from San Francisco that the city is much nicer now that so many homosexuals are 6 feet under. "Thank God for AIDS." (end quote from KOTM) Nice to know Sandy is doing such an efficient job of moderating out the "flames," such as by kicking Igor's crypto-relevant article on denial of service attacks to the flame bucket while bending over backwards to appear to be "fair" to KOTM. Face it, it's a bad idea. The Cypherpunks community is not the private sandbox of Gilmour and Sandfort, and we don't need Sandy's "guidance" to keep us from being straying sheep. The list may currently be hosted on Gilmour's computer, but having Sandy decide what's right for us to read is inconsistent with Cypherpunks ideals. GenX --

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Homosexuals
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fuck you <satan_is_a_hacker(a)juno.com> writes in the censored list: > If anyone has any text files on the following topics please send them. ... > Anything underground Anything? My good friend TRRCJ3 reports from San Francisco that the city is much nicer now that so many homosexuals are 6 feet under. Thank God for AIDS. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Encrypting ZIP disks
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm playing with SecureDrive; the problem is not with using it with a Zip disk so much as it is trying to get it to play nice with Windows 95. ObCrypto: Check this out (from the readme.txt that comes on every Zip disk before you delete it) 7. Secure sensitive files. To keep sensitive or confidential information safe, store it on a Zip disk and use your Zip Tools software to assign a password that must be used in order to read from or write to the disk. At work, you can protect sensitive information such as personnel files, company directories, and product plans and designs. At home, you can secure personal information such as tax records, budgets, and computerized checkbooks. Iomega hasn't been willing to tell me how the password is stored, so this looks like a big boiling pot of snake oil. Anyone out there played with Zip drive/disk internals and know how it works? dave

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Online Spending with Smart Cards and E.Cash to To US$3.5bn byyear 2000
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 00:04:40 +0100 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: Online Spending with Smart Cards and E.Cash to To US$3.5bn by year 2000 Cc: nelson@media.mit.edu.geer@OpenMarket.com From: a9050756(a)unet.univie.ac.at (Mike Alexander) Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: a9050756(a)unet.univie.ac.at (Mike Alexander) >>[some Fed reserve guy's] argument for stored value cards is that the >>business costs of handling cash are so substantial that there is room >>for merchants to discount purchases when made by a means that does >>not require that handling cost. > >Does anyone know of a source for information on the overhead of >accepting various forms of payment? I assume the cost of cash is >smaller than credit cards for purchases under, say, $500. Any >estimates on smart cards? On pure digital cash (delivered via a >browser)? > >I'm particularly interested in micropayments, but the larger question >is interesting as well. I've worked on this topic extensively in the past months (writing a doctoral thesis on efficiency and risk in the payment system). I can assure you this: cash in is still and will remain one of the most efficient payment instruments. This holds looking at it from a private as well as social cost perspective with sufficient empirical support. Best Regards, Michael Alexander Doctoral Student at the University of Vienna -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCNAzIhxYwAAAEEALtfkL/X6GuZpEECWnmkmbqqtGwNalb94Om82VUiBE8iU1OX 2e5WXQGsq1oManSqVQn3TpVo7VE9pMJr5vITAmkEA6szGRt5zbK5u/dIqhLnJnRE sVpiY61Xw6RvQKoXX7LSqOYSCqvIiY8GJ5gRpiKQNPZVuJRqbLipmU0fPqylAAUR tDFNaWNoYWVsIEYuIEFsZXhhbmRlciA8YTkwNTA3NTZAdW5ldC51bml2aWUuYWMu YXQ+iQCVAwUQMiHFjbipmU0fPqylAQGy4QP+LjB6lZXVYFZDpoVB7j8AGvkghSsr XicZapXPmsFX6xpt+S29EF4DGoDJIDq6VLJMZ2rQ1gFfEvvWzL7ekZ3orhLSpJoO WWRZF1MNZVWBNhzxBcdK2T6yrx4cBwQX7t299Ho0y1Go69VE9e3LN8YInIXoQYp5 bc4M0u16GqmV5eI= =5l49 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from the dcsb list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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RE: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks maiing list
by Mullen, Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor sez: >Sandy also states rather plainly that crypto-relevance is not the >criterion by which he moderates this list. I question this policy. I question this, too. What, exactly, is the criterion? Cypherpunks charter sez: The cypherpunks list is a forum for discussing personal defenses for privacy in the digital domain. <Keep in mind I didn't read the described article> How does personal attacks through forged and anonymous mail not fit this topic? However, I _do_ have to say such a topic would have to keep with a descriptive attitude, rather than demonstrative... :-) On another note, even though some messages which may be of interest may get lost in the shuffle, I do like the reduced volume, esp. since I get listmail at work. Unfortunately, the reduced mail is a result of censorship... :-( ~ Patrick >---------- >From: ichudov@algebra.com[SMTP:ichudov@algebra.com] >Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 2:33 AM >To: Cypherpunks >Subject: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks maiing list > >I would like to start a thread to discuss the moderation and rejection >policy. > >My perfectly crypto-relevant article regarding possible attacks >on human relationships with the use of forged mail and anonymous >remailers, has been tossed out (sorted) into cypherpunks-flames >mailing list. > >You can receive a copy of my article by an email request. > >The explanation that Sandy Sandfort gave me mentioned that he rejected >my message because it continued a thread where Sandy noticed instances >of "flaming". Note that my message was free of any flames, including >its quoted part. > >Sandy also states rather plainly that crypto-relevance is not the >criterion by which he moderates this list. I question this policy. > >I would like to hear your opinions as to whether such policies satisfy >the current readership. > > - Igor. > >

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Re: Encrypting ZIP disks
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David E. Smith wrote: > I'm playing with SecureDrive; the problem is not with using it > with a Zip disk so much as it is trying to get it to play nice > with Windows 95. > Iomega hasn't been willing to tell me how the password is stored, > so this looks like a big boiling pot of snake oil. Anyone out > there played with Zip drive/disk internals and know how it works? > Dave, I came across a 'cracker' program that claims to be able to hack the SecureDrive encryption system. Off the top of my head, I think it was called ZipCracker, or something similar in name to one of the PKZip encryption cracking programs. I found it on one of the hacker websites, and there was a text file regarding SecureDrive which went into some detail re: both the hardware and software aspects of the Zip drives and the encryption itself. Toto

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RE: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks maiing list
by Mullen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor sez: >Sandy also states rather plainly that crypto-relevance is not the >criterion by which he moderates this list. I question this policy. I question this, too. What, exactly, is the criterion? Cypherpunks charter sez: The cypherpunks list is a forum for discussing personal defenses for privacy in the digital domain. <Keep in mind I didn't read the described article> How does personal attacks through forged and anonymous mail not fit this topic? However, I _do_ have to say such a topic would have to keep with a descriptive attitude, rather than demonstrative... :-) On another note, even though some messages which may be of interest may get lost in the shuffle, I do like the reduced volume, esp. since I get listmail at work. Unfortunately, the reduced mail is a result of censorship... :-( ~ Patrick >---------- >From: ichudov@algebra.com[SMTP:ichudov@algebra.com] >Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 2:33 AM >To: Cypherpunks >Subject: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks maiing list > >I would like to start a thread to discuss the moderation and rejection >policy. > >My perfectly crypto-relevant article regarding possible attacks >on human relationships with the use of forged mail and anonymous >remailers, has been tossed out (sorted) into cypherpunks-flames >mailing list. > >You can receive a copy of my article by an email request. > >The explanation that Sandy Sandfort gave me mentioned that he rejected >my message because it continued a thread where Sandy noticed instances >of "flaming". Note that my message was free of any flames, including >its quoted part. > >Sandy also states rather plainly that crypto-relevance is not the >criterion by which he moderates this list. I question this policy. > >I would like to hear your opinions as to whether such policies satisfy >the current readership. > > - Igor. > >

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Online Spending with Smart Cards and E.Cash to To US$3.5bn by year 2000
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 00:04:40 +0100 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: Online Spending with Smart Cards and E.Cash to To US$3.5bn by year 2000 Cc: nelson@media.mit.edu.geer@OpenMarket.com From: a9050756(a)unet.univie.ac.at (Mike Alexander) Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: a9050756(a)unet.univie.ac.at (Mike Alexander) >>[some Fed reserve guy's] argument for stored value cards is that the >>business costs of handling cash are so substantial that there is room >>for merchants to discount purchases when made by a means that does >>not require that handling cost. > >Does anyone know of a source for information on the overhead of >accepting various forms of payment? I assume the cost of cash is >smaller than credit cards for purchases under, say, $500. Any >estimates on smart cards? On pure digital cash (delivered via a >browser)? > >I'm particularly interested in micropayments, but the larger question >is interesting as well. I've worked on this topic extensively in the past months (writing a doctoral thesis on efficiency and risk in the payment system). I can assure you this: cash in is still and will remain one of the most efficient payment instruments. This holds looking at it from a private as well as social cost perspective with sufficient empirical support. Best Regards, Michael Alexander Doctoral Student at the University of Vienna -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3i mQCNAzIhxYwAAAEEALtfkL/X6GuZpEECWnmkmbqqtGwNalb94Om82VUiBE8iU1OX 2e5WXQGsq1oManSqVQn3TpVo7VE9pMJr5vITAmkEA6szGRt5zbK5u/dIqhLnJnRE sVpiY61Xw6RvQKoXX7LSqOYSCqvIiY8GJ5gRpiKQNPZVuJRqbLipmU0fPqylAAUR tDFNaWNoYWVsIEYuIEFsZXhhbmRlciA8YTkwNTA3NTZAdW5ldC51bml2aWUuYWMu YXQ+iQCVAwUQMiHFjbipmU0fPqylAQGy4QP+LjB6lZXVYFZDpoVB7j8AGvkghSsr XicZapXPmsFX6xpt+S29EF4DGoDJIDq6VLJMZ2rQ1gFfEvvWzL7ekZ3orhLSpJoO WWRZF1MNZVWBNhzxBcdK2T6yrx4cBwQX7t299Ho0y1Go69VE9e3LN8YInIXoQYp5 bc4M0u16GqmV5eI= =5l49 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from the dcsb list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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CPSR President Aki Namioka Interviewed on "Real Time" Monday
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: CPSR President Aki Namioka Interviewed on "Real Time" *** *** Monday, Jan. 27 *** *** 9 PM ET / 6 PM PT *** Aki Namioka is President of the Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR), a non-profit, public-interest group which advocates for civil rights with respect to electronic information. Netizens may remember Namioka's speech against the CDA at Seattle's "Internet Day of Protest" Rally. We'll ask Ms. Namioka about the history of the CPSR, and current issues CPSR follows in cyber rights, civil liberties, and technology education. She will be interviewed remotely over CU-SeeMe from the Speakeasy Cafe in Seattle, Washington (http://www.speakeasy.org/) Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://www.digex.net/isptv/members.html. See URL http://www.digex.net/isptv for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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No Subject
by fuck you 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are their any H/ P/ V/ A/ C ers on this list??

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