December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Igor asks what these examples prove...
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's another article from s.c.r.m where one of the moderators verbally abuses a person banned from posting in that forum (myself :-). The gratuitous abuse is totally off-topic and has no connection to the flame thread it's in. That's what the lying cocksucker John Gilmore wants to be able to do on his private mailing list - to post more lies which the victims of his libel will not be allowed to refute. ]X-SCRM-Policy: http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/index.html ]X-SCRM-Info-1: Send submissions to scrm(a)algebra.com ]X-SCRM-Info-2: Send technical complaints to scrm-admin(a)algebra.com ]X-SCRM-Info-3: Send complaints about policy to scrm-board(a)algebra.com ]X-Comment: moderators do not necessarily agree or disagree with this article. ]X-Robomod-Version: STUMP 1.1, by ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov) ]Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 05:27:03 CST ]From: vladimir(a)chinook.physics.utoronto.ca (Vladimir Smirnov) ]Message-ID: <199701121028.FAA06007(a)chinook.physics.utoronto.ca> ]Subject: Re: Russian diplomats are pigs ]Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian.moderated ]X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP soc.culture.russian.moderated ] ]rqk10(a)oes.amdahl.com (Roman Kostin) wrote: ]> Po suschestvu, govorish'? Ya sejchas tebe skazhu po suschestvu. ]> ]> Tvoj kommentarij byl tsinichen, tup i beschelovechen. I kogda ]> tebe na eto ukazyvayut, tebe sleduet izvinit'sya i zatknut'sya, ]> a ne ogryzat'sya kak shavka. ] ] Narod, ja vas ubeditel'no proshu ne ustraivat' gryznju v ]moderiruemoj newsgruppe. Kommentarij u Sashi, konechno, byl ]tak sebe, no sobak na nego naveshali po polnoj programme, ]kak budto on dejstvitel'no uzh chego-to takoe skazal. ]Idi von (eto Kostinu) Dr. D.V.Ulissa popinaj, esli principial'nost' ]v golovu udarila. Ili stremno? ] ]- Smirnov ] ] ]

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STUMP
by Paul Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Not too long ago, I attempted to post a PGP signed message to a STUMP moderated newsgroup. Even though the moderators approved my post, it never arrived because of sme technical problem with PGP and STUMP. The people running the newsgroup never could figure out what went wrong, and my post never made it in spite of the best efforts of those running the newsgroup. I advise caution with STUMP. - -- Paul Elliott Telephone: 1-713-781-4543 Paul.Elliott(a)hrnowl.lonestar.org Address: 3987 South Gessner #224 Houston Texas 77063 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: cp850 iQCVAgUBMtltLvBUQYbUhJh5AQGHiQP9GBOikHp+trnA6C8v9xjJA/zadXlY8sde B48dOdMX47pougoYeUyTOcDRRJ3y/2FWnTfjNbiT/oFXm8R+vLtFEhD8baULjUfd eqv+rvOrkNLajI61Io4Jfc8cOc0Yyhc7A5tZHvxuKbEK0Hv9F7tOehksrFjhHdGQ VwmgcqGa6RM= =22bZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Infowar Digest Volume 02: Number 01
by Betty G. O'Hearn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We thank our sponsors: Internet Security Solutions New Dimensions International - Security Training HOMECOM Communications National Computer Security Association OPEN SOURCE SOLUTIONS, Inc. __________________________________________________ Infowar(a)infowar.com is brought to you in the the interest of an open, unclassified exchange of information and ideas as a means for advancement of Information Warfare related issues. Topics of discussion for this list include: Infowar, Electronic Civil Defense, Hacking, Defensive Techniques, Policy, Non-Lethals, Psyops, Chemical Warfare Agents and WMD. As the list expands we will adapt to the needs and desires of our subscribers. This is a MODERATED DIGEST format. __________________________________________________________ Infowar Sunday, January 12, 1997 Volume 02: Number 01 RE: Call for Anecdotes RE: The Media and Information Warfare RE: British PsyOps RE: Futuristic Battlefield RE: IWAR Journal RE: Discussion Forums Open ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: infowar(a)infowar.com From: Jules Siegel <jsiegel(a)mail.caribe.net.mx> Subject: Call for anecdotes Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:17:32 -0600 CALL FOR ANECDOTES I need your help. I'm a writer. My work has appeared in Playboy, Esquire, Rolling Stone, Best American Short Stories. You can examine my credentials at http://www.caribe.net.mx/siegel/jsiegel.htm I am currently researching the following article for American Reporter: The End of Privacy When the chief operating officer of a major telephone company can't keep his unlisted telephone number secret, you know the battle for personal privacy is pretty much lost. New York magazine found the address of reclusive novelist Thomas Pynchon through an on-line credit-card checking service in two minutes. Encrypting messages attracts attention and no secret remains secret very long when hackers with the skills of con men trick the unsuspecting into revealing passwords. So what would a world without privacy be like? Maybe it's not all 1984 -- honesty could be another by-product. I wonder if anyone might want to share: [1] Any unusually biting anecdotes that would fit the theme above? [2] Other sources of similar information? [3] Quotable opinions? I'm basically interested in personal opinions and experiences. Example: I received a reply from a writer who had been the subject of a searching expose and came out of it feeling liberated of her secrets. I think that as a practical matter privacy no longer exists, if it ever did. I think it's an illusion created by industrialism. Only hermits had privacy in the past. As we pass into the next phase of social evolution, I believe that our constructs will resemble animism -- that is they will be living or life-like, soft rather than hard, transparent rather than opaque. Today, the cost of maintaining secrets is beginning to outweigh the value. Yet we're still addicted to this illusion. What would a genuinely transparent world be like to those used to living behind masks? I'm also interested in comments on the following: [4] Electronic surveillance In last November's PC Computing, John Dvorak claimed that government intelligence agencies had set up remail services in order to check on people using them. In a private letter I received, a very sane but prudent journalist working for a mainstream newspaper cited fears of e-mail being read by intelligence agencies as a reason for not telling me something he had on his mind. Questions: What do we know about this sort of thing? What do are we doing about it? [5] Spying in the newsroom Earlier this year, The Miami Herald's Jim Hampton came out strongly against the CIA using reporters as spies in foreign country. What about in the United States? I have received information on more than one occasion about journalists on the payroll of intelligence and/or police agencies spying on their colleagues, as well as making trouble for specific targets, and helping squelch certain themes, among other activities. Question: Do publications tolerate this? Cooperate fully? If not, how do they handle these cases when they become aware of them? [6] Blacklisting The existence of black lists was very well documented in the wake of the McCarthy era. I'm sure we have good reason to believe that they still exist. Questions: Do electronic editorial black lists exist? Other fields? How do they work? How does a victim get off a black list? All replies will be fully attributed and I will send a checking copy of the final draft to anyone whose anecdote I use. Many thanks for your interest and cooperation. Jules Siegel http://www.caribe.net.mx/siegel/jsiegel.htm >From USA: http://www.yucatanweb.com/siegel/jsiegel.htm Mail: Apdo. 1764 Cancun QR 77501 Mexico Tel: 011-52-98 87-49-18 Fax 87-49-13 E-mail: jsiegel(a)mail.caribe.net.mx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: Infowar(a)infowar.com From: Daigle166(a)aol.com Subject: The Media and Information Warfare Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:14:59 +0000 Message-Id: <22145965403068(a)infowar.com> Hi, I am currently working on a thesis paper concerned with the subject of information warfare as it relates to the media. Specifically, my research question is: "Is it morally and ethically acceptable for military commanders and staff members to purposely mislead the media for the purpose of tactical deception and information warfare against one's enemies?" I will obviously be taking a look at both sides of this issue and would appreciate any information you may have on the subject. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: "Winn Schwartau" <winn(a)infowar.com> Cc: Infowar(a)infowar.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:53:57 +0000 From: Maobrien95(a)aol.com I'm looking for books that would detail British PsychOps, especially its use in Northern Ireland. Thank you very much for your time.My e-mail: Maobrien95(a)aol.com Respectfully, Frank O'Brien ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> From: "Michael H. Sedge" <pp10013(a)cybernet.it> Subject: Futuristic Battlefields Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:56:54 +0100 Dear Betty, Thanks in part to the input you provided and the quotes obtained through your resources, I was able to produce a feature on Cyber Warfare that will appear in the February issue of ARMED FORCES JOURNAL INTERNATIONAL, and perhaps other publications around the world. I am now working on a story which takes a look at the FUTURISTIC BATTLEFIELD and seek experts for quotes, insight, products, etc. Such things as robotic soldiers and unmanned aircraft will be discussed, as well as warfare controlled from romote sites. Any help, leads, manufacturers, etc., that you could provide would be helpful. Best regards & Happy New Year. Sincerely, Michael H. Sedge ARMED FORCES JOURNAL INTERNATIONAL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 21:29:26 -0500 To: infowar(a)infowar.com From: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> Subject: IWAR Journal. The Journal of IWAR Intelligence Acquisition - is now being made available at http://www.iwar.org/. This journal is published by William Church, a distinquished journalist in the field. Current Issue: Spring 1997: Information Warfare Threat Model. Articles by Michael Wilson, Robert Steele, Philip H.J. Davies, Special Report on the IPTF, and an interview with Winn Schwartau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: Infowar(a)infowar.com From: "Betty G. O'Hearn" <betty(a)infowar.com> Subject: Discussion Forums Open On Monday, January 13, 1997 WWW.InfoWar.Com will begin hosting a series of discussion forums, available to anyone on the Internet. Everyone who logs onto the forums will also be provided with a mini-home-page (for free!) so other participants may get to know with whom they are interacting. The discussion forums may be accessed from the Infowar.Com Home Page by clicking on the "Digest, Discussion & Chat Groups" icon. The forum moderators will be: Moderator Topic Winn Schwartau Information Warfare and President, Interpact, Inc. Electronic Civil Defense Carolyn Meinel Hackers/Hacking Publisher of Happy Hacker Digest Matthew Devost Terrorism Systems Engineer, SAIC William Church IWAR Publisher of The Journal of IWAR Intelligence Acquisition Scott Brower EBR Electronic Bill of Rights/Privacy Executive Director, Electronic Frontiers Florida Robert Steele OSSINT President OPEN SOURCE SOLUTIONS, Inc. Unmoderated Viruses Unmoderated Infosec We welcome this distinguished group of moderators and encourage you to participate in these forums. Sign in and start posting! Have an idea for a new discussion forum? Want to be a moderator? Contact betty(a)infowar.com. _______________________________:) InfoWar.Com will also be introducing several hundred "chat" lines in the coming weeks. Keep contributing..... keep up your input. We are introducing these new modules that you have requested. Thanks for all of your invaluable support. Winn Schwartau and the incomparable staff at www.infowar.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ END Infowar Volume 2 No. 1 January 12, 1997 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DIRECT REQUESTS to: list(a)infowar.com with one-line in the BODY, NOT in the subject line. Subscribe infowar TO JOIN GROUP Unsubscribe infowar TO LEAVE GROUP Help infowar TO RECEIVE HELP TO POST A MESSAGE: E-Mail to infowar(a)infowar.com _____________________________________________________ Infowar.Com Interpact, Inc. Winn Schwartau winn(a)infowar.com http://www.infowar.com 813-393-6600 Voice 813-393-6361 FAX Sponsor Opportunities/Comments/Help Betty G. O'Hearn Assistant to Winn Schwartau http://www.infowar.com betty(a)infowar.com 813-367-7277 Voice 813-363-7277 FAX

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InfoWarCon6 - Brussels, Belgium
by Betty G. O'Hearn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

D I S T R I B U T E W I D E L Y CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT InfoWarCon 6: "War By Other Means" Economic Espionage, CyberTerrorism and Information Assurance Brussels, Belgium May 8 - 9, 1997 Pre-Conference Tutorials: May 7, 1996 Sponsored by: National Computer Security Association / www.ncsa.com Winn Schwartau, Interpact, Inc. / www.infowar.com Open Source Solutions, Inc, / www.oss.net Honorary Chairperson: Judge Danielle Cailloux Investigating Magistrate, Member of the Committee to Control the Intelligence Services, Belgium Information Warfare is no longer just for the military or government. InfoWar is a legitimate concern for the private sector and law enforcement - everywhere. Hundreds of representatives from over thirty countries will interact at InfoWarCon 6 with world-class presenters in an open-source, unclassified forum to provide workable, real-world solutions to the commercial, legal and technical problems we face. Over two days, the three tracks and plenary sessions will focus on: 1. Military, Intelligence, Nation-States and Government Contractors. What are their special needs and concerns. Leaders from all areas will bring you current with their approaches. 2. Cyberterrorism and Crime: Law Enforcement, Domestic, National and International. Case histories and experience from those who know will provide the foundation for solutions and cooperation to a spreading problem. 3. The Private Sector and Commercial Infrastructure: Leading experts on information assurance will provide new models for security, management and infrastructure protection. Optional Pre-Conference Tutorials (May 7) > Three Pre-Conference tutorials will be offered to get the non-technical manager, law enforcement or government representative 'up to speed' on InfoWar: > >A. Open Source Intelligence. Robert Steele, ex-CIA case officer and intelligence professional, will teach you how and why the smart nation and competitive private company needs to use information gathering to his best advantage. A full day of extraordinary information and materials. > B. Information Security Basics. Dr. Mich Kabay, NCSA's Dir. of Education will take the non-technical manager on a three and one half hour tour of the fundamentals of information security. Essential knowledge for anyone involved with information warfare, cyberterrorism or defending against them. C. The Basics of Information Warfare and Cyberterrorism.Winn Schwartau, the man who wrote the books on Cyber-terrorism and Information Warfare, will teach the >non-technical participant the ins and outs in a fascinating 3 1/2 hour session. >For Registration Information > Kim Imler > Voice: (717) 241-3226 > Fax: (717) 243-8642 > Email: kimler(a)ncsa.com > WWW: www.Infowar.com > www.ncsa.com > >Sponsorship Opportunities - Multiple level sponsorship >opportunities and exhibit space is available. Contact: > Harry Brittain > Voice: (717) 241-3258 > Fax: (717) 243-8642 > Email: hbrittain(a)ncsa.com > >MARK YOUR CALENDARS: > >InfoWarCon 7, >Sept. 11-12, 1997 >Washington D.C. >Submit Abstracts and Papers to: >Betty(a)infowar.com DIRECT REQUESTS to: list(a)infowar.com with one-line in the BODY, NOT in the subject line. Subscribe infowar TO JOIN GROUP Unsubscribe infowar TO LEAVE GROUP Help infowar TO RECEIVE HELP TO POST A MESSAGE: E-Mail to infowar(a)infowar.com _____________________________________________________ Infowar.Com Interpact, Inc. Winn Schwartau winn(a)infowar.com http://www.infowar.com 813-393-6600 Voice 813-393-6361 FAX Sponsor Opportunities/Comments/Help Betty G. O'Hearn Assistant to Winn Schwartau http://www.infowar.com betty(a)infowar.com 813-367-7277 Voice 813-363-7277 FAX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Betty G. O'Hearn Assistant to Winn Schwartau http://www.infowar.com betty(a)infowar.com 813-367-7277 Voice 813-363-7277 Data/FAX "Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed. ~~~Booker T. Washington~~~

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by geo2＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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sad
by Internaut 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am sad that all the spam from companies will be gone soon. I enjoy thinking that perhaps 10% (or ~120) of the Cypherpunks along with me hit the reply button and type "remove" giving them a great return for their investment (pun intended :). ---------- From: PS[SMTP:pstone@lightspeed.bc.ca] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 1997 02.59 PM To: pstone(a)lightspeed.bc.ca Subject: Saw your post Hi there! I saw your post the other day and thought you might be interested in a decent offer on some excellent information. Start an excellent home business today!!! For a brochure that outlines THE TEN BEST OPPORTUNITES IN BUSINESS TODAY send me a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Mail to : M.K. Press 1310 W.67th Ave. Vancouver. B.C. Canada V6P 2T4 Please write "Offer # 4322" by hand on the envelope to me. Never want to hear from me again? Simple. Hit reply, put <REMOVE> in the Subject field, and send it on back.. Thanks.

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Re: Menwith Hill / NSA
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At DefCon III, someone had a video on these ladies ("granny hackers" was >the comment from the audience) who explore[d] the Menwith Hill NSA base in >the UK. The video was shown twice from what I remember, once in the main >speaker room and once in the video room. If anyone knows anything about >this video then please email me [tobin(a)mail.edm.net] especially if you >know WHO had it, where I could get a copy, etc. Also, I'd like to hear >about any other similar type things. (crypto, NSA, etc) I talked to the guy who made the documentary (Duncan Campbell) an hour or two ago, he's sending me the transcripts when he gets back to the UK. I'll see if I can get his permission to post them to the web. He's been doing this sort of thing for about 25 years, and has some really neat stories to tell about his run-ins with the UK government. Peter.

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Re: Ma Bell
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 97-01-11 15:36:31 EST, mindbenders(a)hotmail.com (LoRd oRiOn) writes: << .why do Telco people and the government blame us hackers for costing them billions of dollars a year to fix the security holes that they have??? >> Considering there is a LARGE workload on the employees as it is.. they dont need more work suddenly that is unneeded. Basically EVERY system has some kinds of security holes. If noone knows about them.. then it isnt a problem. If someone is exploiting them and using money from the company illegaly (free phone service) .. even though it may only be 5 of you doing it.. it has a LARGE potential to become globally exploited by tons of people. So.. they have to invest time and money to research the hole and fix it. Thats why.

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Product Manager for hire.
by Geoff Klein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May's mother attempted to pro-choice the unwanted little bastard by fishing with a coat hanger in her giant cunt, but failed miserably to pull the rabbit and succeeded only in scraping out the contents of little Timmy's fetal cranium (not much to begin with). O |'| /\ | | Timmy May /\ \-------| / / |-------|

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