December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:08:41 -0500 (EST) > From: "Mark M." <markm(a)voicenet.com> > Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd) > > On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Jim Choate wrote: > > > 'We' shouldn't, it is their own country and it is up to their populace to > > stop it. Do you really want Singapore or China having a say in how we run > > our web? I certainly don't, and won't support any move to force any > > particular view on them. > > I don't want China or Singapore to have a say in how the web is run which is There is no 'the web'. I run a Internet site which is connected 24 hours a day at my expence which contains a web site. If you think that is 'your' web then drag your ass to Austin, TX. and start paying the $600 of bills each month for 'your' web. Quit thinking that what you have and want is what everyone else has or wants. Grow up. The goal is to keep THEM from bothering YOU, not the otherway around, they will take care of that using the same tools and techniques you do. > exactly why I would support any effort to make their filtering systems useless. > What I put on my web page is my business and I can change the location of the And you don't have a right to tell them what to do with their computers or their citizens. > URL as many times as I want and try to make it as difficult as possible to > filter it. These countries have no say in whether or not I can do this. If And you should have no say in what they do with their resources. > they want to censor their Internet feed, that's their problem and I'm under no > obligation to make it easy for them. And their under no obligation to let you run around and force your views on them anymore than you would accept that sort of behaviour from them. Wake up, what goes around, comes around. > If it's forced upon the people, it's not a choice. Which people? Who is doing the forcing? If Singapore citizens are content to let Singapore officials filter their newsfeeds or whatever that is Singapores business, not yours. It acts as a concrete real-world object model on how NOT to do it here, nothing else. Whether you like it or not both people and governments have a fundamental right to make mistakes. It comes with the territory. Loose this fantasy you have that there is one way to run the world, there isn't. People are entirely too diverse for any single view to rule for any length of appreciable time irrespective of how much force might be used to promulgate it. > Ultimately, the people can > abolish the government if it becomes tyrannical, but not without a lot of lives > being lost. I'd much rather try to make sure that people in these countries > have free access to information than watch people getting crushed by tanks. Who made you responsible for them? If you are responsible for them then you are responsible for me? Not in your wildest wet dream junior. You simply aren't that important in the scheme of things. You can't have one without the other. The tree of liberty has to be watered with blood. Your position is that as long as it isn't your blood then it is ok. Other people have the same right. Personaly, I don't like the idea of other people deciding that it is time to spill my blood to water their tree. The point of the exercise, left up to the student to resolve, is to avoid this entire scenario, not shift the blame to some other entity. > > You don't like it, don't live there and don't try to > > call there. You or I have no more right to be on a Chinese or Singapore > > Internet than they have in coming into yours or my home without an > > invitation. > > These countries want the benefits of being connected to the Internet without > the burdens of the citizens having free access to information. It just doesn't > work that way. It works whatever way the people doing it want it to run. Let me say it again, GOVERNMENTS ARE PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT PEOPLE, INCLUDING THEMSELVES, WHICH THEY BELIEVE ARE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST. IF IT DOESN'T FIT WITH YOUR PARTICULAR IMAGE OF WHAT 'BEST INTEREST' IS, TOUGH SHIT. > They can pull the plug if they want. If they don't, then they > have no right to complain about how people are smuggling subversive information > into their respective countries. Then we have no right to complain about Columbian drug cartels, Russian contraband nuclear weapons, sarin nerve gas promulaged by Japanese religious zealots, etc. Let me say this again, A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF ALL LIVING BEINGS IS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES THE BEST WAY THEY SEE FIT AGAINST A PERCEIVED THREAT TO THEIR CONTINUED EXISTANCE. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IN THE SHORT TERM IF THAT THREAT IS REAL OR NOT. > If the information was "uninvited", then > nobody would be downloading it or accessing it anyway. This is silly and completely misleading. > Countries that want to censor their internet connections have the choice of > either facing extreme economic difficulties as a result of not being connected > to the Internet, or giving their people access to information that the > government doesn't want these people to access. Either way, it will force > these countries to change in some way. I think most of them will eventually > settle for the latter choice. Allowing these countries to censor their > connections will result in violence that could otherwise be avoided. Really? Where is your object model? Seems like we get in a situation where we are using violence against people with the reason being we are protecting them against violence. Now THAT sounds like some sort of neo-Nazi bullshit. You should apply for work at the DEA, you would pass their psych screens with flying colors. I have three quotes you might do well to ponder while you plan your next over-throw... "Study nature, not books" Louis Agassiz "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." Yeats "You are What you do When it counts" The Masao Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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17 Dec '03

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P.S. David Kahn's editorial today
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I just sent the following P.S. to newsday.com ---------------------- There is another reason to have cellular phones which encrypt only the over-the-air portion of a call, besides the fact that we can leave normal wiretap access procedures in place and not surrender civilian crypto keys to the government. If I have a cellular phone which encrypts over the air (between the phone and the base station) and I call you, while you have a normal wired phone, our call is protected by cryptography from interception off the air. If I use an AT&T Clipper-style cellular phone, as David suggested, and I call you on a normal wired phone, we can't encrypt the conversation and it is vulnerable to interception. The protection works *only* if both parties have encrypting phones while interoperate. - Carl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMubl6lQXJENzYr45AQEYagQAmVL47KGCHUyee8246VjGqr7+uubTBhHA s/TtgFiMW7a9W5jbni5ov+kjTDeGpRULfrbyEwYR2fd1E1laNeu+EAQkE56KuU9g iiB0S7TBd290MSHJZ6wQUWsDVgCzOi9gHbCQwY+GMQMXKfphuC4kDavwdSxjAXAM MeZsitFRM1w= =TzsP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | | PGP 2.6.2: 61 E2 DE 7F CB 9D 79 84 E9 C8 04 8B A6 32 21 A2 | +-Officer, officer, arrest that man. He's whistling a dirty song.--+

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Re: Encrypting ZIP drives?
by Vin McLellan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> who is usually answering questions, wrote: >>>I am looking for a transparent (strong) encryption of ZIP drives. >>>Any advice would be appreciated. <snip> >Parallel on Win95. Hi Lucky, RSA has got their Win95 version of SecurPC. That's 128-bit RC4 encryption; maybe 10X the speed of DES. You could encrypt your zip data from Explorer either on demand, or automatically upon exiting WIN95. (It auto-decrypts on startup.) SecurPC doesn't yet have transparent (fully background) crypto, but given the market pressures, it obviously won't be long in coming. SecurPC does have a number of other unusual features that might offset the lack of transparency. My favorite: At least until the next version of ERA;-) RSA's SecurPC permits you to ship data over the US borders encrypted with 128-bit RC4 in a self-extracting file which can be opened by anyone, anywhere -- with the same OS as the sender, and the right (one-time?) password -- even if they don't have a copy of SecurPC. The key, passed out of band, is certainly not up to PKC standards... but for occasional connections, if you duck the dictionary attack, it looks pretty damn sturdy. One-way symmetric-- kinda neat! (Anyone know how it really works? I got a copy of the v1 user's manual from SDTI, where I do a lot of contract work -- but it doesn't really explain the split of functions. I'll have to ask.) Suerte, _Vin

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Re: Decision in Karn Case
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> http://www.epic.org/crypto/export_controls/karn_decision_1_97.html > [...] > In light of the recent Executive Order transferring > regulatory authority of non-military cryptographic computer > source code to the Commerce Department, and the Commerce > Department's promulgation of a new regulation under the authority > of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. secs. > 1701 et seq., we remand this case to the district court to > consider the reviewability of and, if appropriate, the merits of > appellant's claim under the Administrative Procedure Act. And when that review finally reaches the appeals court, the administration can move the regulations to the state department. The uniqueness of the anti-crypto regulations is that it is a law against intellectuals and academics. These people will not be willing to break the law and then challenge its constitutionality in the courts, or engage in any kind of civil disobedience demonstration. The author of premail, for example, is doing a weird kind of civil *obedience* demonstration to protect the laws. As long as that continues the government can get away with playing their shell game. By the way, what exactly happend to D.J. Bernstein's and the EFF's threat to seek an injunction from Judge Patel if the new regulations were not put on hold subject to constitutional review by January 2? No updates at www.eff.org. Did EFF strike another deal with the government?

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Commerce Sec. Hearings and Encryption
by Bill Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been watching the confirmation hearings for William Daley, and I was amazed at the number of references in the questioning to encryption. I have been watching confirmation hearings for a long time and have never noticed this much attention being placed on such a (formerly?) obscure topic. It appears that encryption is definitely a big blip on the governmental radar screen now, although whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is definitely a debatable question. It's interesting to me that all this interest is coming up in a confirmation hearing for a *commerce* secretary. Maybe the commercial aspects of encryption can have a positive impact on the current restrictions; privacy rights certainly haven't had any impact. =Bill=

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor.
by Otto Matic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Wed Jan 22 18:19:14 1997 >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM writes: > >> >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Jan 21 16:57:46 1997 > >Alles Kriticismus auf der Listfuehrer Gilmore und Obercensor Sandfart >ist stricklich verbotten. Heil Kocksucker Gilmore! Otto Says: Kalifornia UberAlles! otto =-=-=-=-=- Otto Matic "Fuckin' A, Miller!" Bud, Repo Man --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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greed and the internet
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- greed and the internet our network provider (MCI) has been gradually burying our T1 trunk and the effective feed has been reduced to 1200 baud from 1.56 Megabaud; that, and add 20 seconds to 5+ minutes of packet hold, and it is now worthless. they claim they will have increased capacity, but there are no pressing big money commercial interests on this feeder --so when? Problem is not just here --everywhere; the greedy commercial bastards have oversold their network space intentionally as they are bucking for per packet and timed usage charges which are currently prohibited by the FCC and the state PUCs. The FCC is the key since other than the local network, which is burdened with the costs of the trunk, everything is regulated by the FCC which is trying to totally eliminate the state PUCs in the 105th Congress, Newt's mouth not withstanding. The FCC agreed to review the matter, capitulating to big greed interests, which will make the Internet a rich man's toy. $19.95/month plus access charges will increase to thousands of dollars per month; slow networks make toast of the free hours and overtime kills. Without the creative input of the multitude, there will be no content, so why have a net other than for commercial purposes? suites the misinformation cabal just fine. Well, the FCC granted a reprieve --for the moment. but will come up again, and again, until it passes. The Internet will no no longer be the peoples net, and the commercial greedies are establishing a faster, more secure network with controlled access points; leaving the common man's access in the mud, still paying the exorbitant rates on a pay before play basis. That, and it gives control of information to the government --which, as we all know. is 'heavenly white' -above sin. Universities are being bought off with the 'Internet II' proposal which provides super trunks of over 600 Megabaud capacity, a 400 times improvement. All of this feeds into five stategically placed super-hubs where Uncle's shadow government can monitor everything. The Internet was supposed to be our freedom: freedom of information and government in the sunshine, but government is proving it is still bigger, faster, and badder by using draconian rules of illegal regulatory agencies. agencies which are usurping rights limited to the legislative branch. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMubOW704kQrCC2kFAQE0gQQAxrkUhyX5wl+dZ/i6ajMJXAD7f+gpvc6Z CBik+g62RqWrMbOblfLRubhEIWUfK2FQxIBRJ+0cQezCH4IfM1CxbytJ4Cx3BBBs GwHGuhTfLnGVnuCAugguRdNUrd/tXaN47pAVqmg330XvLlTJqha8ODPsi2b+7qst 2z8qbOW0cqo= =M9c5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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justice for cryptography, US style
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Looks to me like Carl needs to understand justice, U.S. federal court style. In the first place: "ignorance is no excuse under the law" -then: ask yourself why the U.S. continues the drug war when it is obvious to the perverted, ignorant, and bought-off Congress- person that it will never be won. the answer is simple: it's MONEY. First, the government makes a fortune by importing drugs, which they can use for unaccountable programs which are illegal under law. The money is controlled by the CIA, administration, and the power brokers in the deal which basically states it all; and, secondly, there is money in imprisonment. Oh? so then ask yourself why the federal prisons have tripled in size the last 10 years with the dope wars. coincidental? now, what does that have to do with crypto? very simple: as the US heads closer and closer to the UN Constitution under Bubba's guidance with Hillary's hands on his balls, crypto can bypass political thought control. That will not be acceptable to those who rule: in the US, or anywhere else. "Intimidation is just another form of communication." (attila) and they have intimidated federal judges, and they are intimidating federal judges, and they will continue to intimdate federal judges. and, they will continue to feed the media what they want known. so, what does that have to do with it? a) the federal government is disenfranchising felons with certain types of convictions, including drugs, and all offenses against the federal government --cryptography is an offense against the federal government since it falls under ITAR. do you know what disenfranchisement really means: well, start with fact you have lost your civil rights --ALL of them. the man never needs a warrant to take you, anywhere. anyplace, including your home without knocking --he has automatic probable cause. all federal convictions of the type described carry a tail --extended probation. in other words, a sadistic, sadonic, and automatically suspicious federal civil servant OWNS you. He can visit your employer; he can tell you exactly how to run your business if you are self-employed; he can tell you if you can move; he can tell you who you will see or talk with; and if tells you to polish his apple, get on your knees and smile while you labour. b) no vote --that is the principle meaning of franchise which is defined as "suffrage." you are history on that score unless you manage to convince Bubba to grant you a federal pardon. c) the federal govenment, through one of their federal money giveaways is forcing the criminal records onto the drivers' license. So far, no state has a check box on the sealed photo ID, but they will, including a coded offense block. d) now, the big credit bureaus, TRW, Equifax, etc. have added the collection of data for traffic convictions; so far they have not added either misdemeanor and felony >>arrests<< and convictions to the _available_ information, but they will. Did you know that you can have a 3 or 4 page rap sheet for a single arrest/offense/conviction by the time they rewrite charges, which is common in, you guessed it: dope cases, and propably will be in crypto cases as the Federales discover more evidence (planted, decoded, whatever?). e) You know, I'm beginning to like Mississippi's statutory rape laws better all the time. The age is 18, as high it goes in all 50 states --but it only applies if the minor female is over 12 and can prove she is a virgin... yeah, right, where the only virgin over eight can run faster than her brothers... e) prisons are big business; and, government has undertaken a program of privatization of the prison system --in other words, the big government oriented contractors, like SAIC chaired by Bobby Inman, are planning to make a profit housing government misjustice. do they like to make money? does this sound like slave labour to you? sounds like government 'letting' of business. P.J. O'Rourke has the definitive result of that: "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators" well, I'm too old for the civil disobedience game or deliberately begging the law; I do not wish to head for the 3 hots ad a cot of federal hospitality wearing more years than I can carry. but you'd better believe and if you wish to even try to beat the government back, don't think you have any rights in America. Just remember Judge Roy Bean is sitting in his large $1,500-2,000 comforatable chair about a meter above you, smiling down on you as you sit in the hard, cold, flimsy chair of the dock, after our esteemed judge got drunk last night with his cronies. After all, Judge Roy, who's only human, suffers from an inferiority complex, and needs a power rush. And after this poor excuse for a human lays 3 fives running wild (15) and 6 tail on you, try smiling at the judge; then say: "thank you your honor, but you're just another fuckin' drunk." == <attila out> ====== ORIGINAL MESSAGE ====== In <32C27B88.558(a)sk.sympatico.ca>, on 12/26/96 at 05:20 AM, Carl Johnson <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> said: ::jim bell wrote: ::> ::> However, if being "on the Internet" is automatically presumed to be ::> an export, why can't we program using remote-control editors which ::> might, someday, be available on the Internet? :: If I wanted to export an unexportable program, I would put it on my :: machine as 'happyface.zip', and then make sure that everybody :: spread the word that it was available under that title. I don't :: believe there is a prosecutor alive that can convince a jury of :: twelve mostly non-technically oriented people that someone should :: be put in prison for not knowing the content of every single :: non-text file on their machine. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMubSx704kQrCC2kFAQHaZwP+LZe99M0ntnj0za+TSAG6TtMr55MH7VBG y0PLMkKLQGb7Gi5mt72BBZ8XNoVLlBHqxsdpWdI0u812aVj78+L0hQojeuyzyUph 4hJo3N7U5ITscNeks8IbClzl8UNkoKaW5UH0bQlL6EaU7AvmmB15g6nQ4C59rBos l2AQiOZZtwU= =QJSj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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YEEHAW! Tobacco argument heats up in AZ
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- summary: AZ AG filed for an injunction in the public interest to stop the sale of tobacco in AZ. tobacco company response claimed he was infringing on legislative rights... full story is below. pure warmed-over buffalo chips --the tobacco interests. ...create a conflict between the judiciary and the legislative branches since the judiciary can ban the sale of something the legislative branch has decided to regulate and collect taxes from ... ? where did this boy learn his logic, let alone his law (of course, who ever said any lawyer used logic any more than statistics are used to defend lies?) big tobacco will spend at least $200 million, maybe even $1 billion in advertising and diversions to avoid this one --this is not a tort issue with delayable appeals --this is injunctive relief which could stop the sale of tobacco in a single hearing. bravo! and, I'll bet AZ never passed legislation which states the death merchants have a mandated "right" to sell tobacco products, even though the legislature did elect to pass a law to "regulate" the sale of tobacco. a mandated right implies endorsement, and places the endorser in the product liability chain. A fine line maybe for the tobacco companies to hang their hats on, but a Grand Canyon worth of the state if there has no "right" to sell granted --granting a "right to sell" would be tantamount to endorsing the sale of tobacco products. this may be the perfect shot. let's see how long before the ACLU jumps in! and, on which side will they jump?!? Is 'smoking' a libertarian privilege cranted unconditionally to the people despite the side effects, and collatgeral damage, even if you do not smoke? This case should draw enough amicus curiae to require an entirely new complex of libraries just to hold the pleadings, and an army of law clerks with a massively parallel database to catalogue and service the briefs. I can see the fine hand of the Association of Attorney Generals driving this one. Arizona is constituted just mean enough to take this kind of action. Let's see how long it is before the Feds try to step in on the possible Constitutional grounds of regulating trade between the states, or claiming "jurisdiction" under rule 10 FRCP where the combatants are of differing 'citizenship' AND the amount is more than $10,000 (the injunctive relief has no monetary value in and of itself) can be moved by any party to the Federal court having jurisdiction (that was how I prevented AT&T from moving from NV to NY or NJ where they could stall forever and indulge in the usual payoffs). --as an aside, I wonder if we could ban tobacco sales in Utah by referendum? if the population is 70% LDS, the rural more likely to follow the word of wisdom active members might be enough to tip the vote on a referendum. hmmm. that would send a message even McCaffey and Reno would have a problem with --there is no medical defense for tobacco. As for the loss of revenue argument, the excise taxes the state collects from the sale of tobacco certainly does not cover the increased health costs and the collateral economic and social costs associated with tobacco related health problems. the state might have a net loss position initially, but over the long run, the reduced health costs will more than cover the loss of tobacco excise tax. meanwhile, back to prohibition: rolling your own from back yard weeds is a lot harder than making bathtub gin! == "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators" --P.J. O'Rourke. == "hunt lawyers, not big game! lawyers are more numerous, you can not become attached to them, and they taste just like chicken." --attila -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMubQI704kQrCC2kFAQFeFgP+MUBbpn9yNDi2NmSZd2D5qlUvYIyobPd7 ppVxG2Wne5cywM9NWRYGCUA4g2QxlYRA7+sAxbxKa0kLpjhW38IAe8ea/0NnkH+P exTvtUTD35sAU6bl5ypGsFF/1Nuzy7+UWIKdm7LROPjiNMp+C/TEQQrHR5jF1x5A EoWkoBzrwTs= =1+2g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- :: 06:30 PM ET 01/14/97 :: Tobacco industry seeks dismissal of Arizona case :: :: PHOENIX, Arizona (Reuter) - The tobacco industry filed :: motions on Tuesday in a bid to dismiss the Arizona Attorney :: General's law suit which seeks to ban the sale of tobacco in the :: state. :: Lawyers for two of the defendants, Brown & Williamson :: Tobacco Corp. and Philip Morris Cos Inc. (MO.N), said in a :: statement the proposed ban would eliminate tax revenue from the :: sale of tobacco which is used to fund healthcare and education :: programs statewide. :: "We have filed motions asking the court ... whether these :: claims should be permitted to proceed,'' said William Maledon a :: lawyer at Osborn Maledon which represents Philip Morris Inc. :: "We believe it is clear that the Attorney General has no :: authority to initiate at least six of the 11 claims he has :: brought,'' he said. :: The tobacco industry on Tuesday filed eight motions to :: dismiss the suit in Maricopa County Superior Court in Arizona. :: The Arizona lawsuit against the tobacco industry was filed :: in August and amended by the state's attorney general in :: November. :: The suit seeks to ban the sale of tobacco products statewide :: and recover increased healthcare insurance premiums the state :: alleges to have paid for ``tobacco-related illnesses'' by state :: employees and their dependents. :: The suit also seeks ``corrective'' advertising and funding :: of programs to help people give up smoking as well as :: unspecified damages for alleged consumer fraud, restraint of :: trade and civil racketeering. :: Paul Eckstein, an attorney with Brown & Bain which :: represents Brown & Williamson, said Arizona would suffer should :: the attorney general win the suit. :: "If the Attorney General prevails on this public nuisance :: argument, the tobacco tax revenue source would be eliminated :: without legislative input,'' he said. :: "This raises the question of which state programs would be :: eliminated for lack of funding,'' he added. :: The lawyers said Arizona collected $650.5 million in tobacco :: excise taxes from 1980 through 1993 and that the state will :: collect another $167.5 million in fiscal 1996. :: "The Arizona Legislature has not chosen to ban the sale or :: use of tobacco, but rather regulate and profit from it,'' :: Eckstein said. ``This lawsuit would create a direct and :: irreconcilable conflict between the judicial and legislative :: branches of government.''

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