December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: DES implementation in C
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Young wrote: > On Fri, 20 Dec 1996, Peter Trei wrote: > > > So yet again my dislike of doing assember has been justified. One just > > > needs a good compiler and be willing to put in the correct C code :-). > > > While I know the asm is faster, the C compiler does a better job of > > > the chaining between the 16 inlined inner loops. [snippo] If you could produce a 100% 'C' version, with in-line provisions for replaceable 'C' or assembler functions, and insure that there is no significant performance loss for having this portability, then you could at least issue the 100% 'C' code for any machine or O/S. This would make a lot of people happy if the application has wide interest. Is this possible, even if it's more work?

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Re: Executing Encrypted Code
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:41 PM 12/21/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >And don't forget that internal nodes of microproceessors can be "tapped" >with an electron beam voltage contrast system. Some steps can make this >much harder, but the principle is still that internal states are capturable. >--Tim May Within the last week or two, I read (somewhere?) of a new system to analyze chip behavior that utilized tiny amounts of light momentarily emitted from FET channels during switching. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Slaughter
by Timothy N. Hill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- According to Bartlett's, this is attributed to Martin Niemoeller (1892-1984): In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up. [John Bartlett, _Familiar Quotations_, ed. by Justin Kaplan (16th ed.; Boston: Little, Brown and Company; 1992), p. 684] - Tim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7.1 iQCVAwUBMr2NAy62DQeAyFc9AQH1TgP/RXoMa4e5Ub+u8H4vBYuRL+lPrefU02B1 qov3PSmAzyHu9tGYWuKG4vIVEZfpQe9Wi6OgJh7bLoAnFN3g+umd9CJ6psc7DC3p P3iEEwgaY+9zQ4oX3L9+79DEhlPFiH4RUbjEGOo31d1Rj3gOGRhNXPVdVCNA/tTf H3jbKL9yvpU= =qp1r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Timothy N. Hill <tnh(a)acm.org> Wellesley, Massachusetts <http://www.ma.ultranet.com/~tnh/> +1 617 235-2902 PGP F058F75D 99C5122F 21C5BEF5 620C1D3C

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Off topic litter on Cyperpunks
by Lurker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What has happened to cypherpunks? I joined this mailing list more recently than many others who recieve it, but most reacently it has gone downhill. The descriptions I have read (and I have read many) all state that this list is deadicated to the discussion of cryptography issues. Where the hell is the discussion about cryptography? Three fourths of the messages I have been recieving are off topic (Ebonics and "Slaughter"). If I wanted to read about current events and holocost I would have joined groups that were specified for discussion of those.

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No Subject
by Jean-Lou Dupont 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Legality of requiring credit cards?
by Michael Gurski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It's that wonderful season again, when all the assholes are out in force, and people feel obligated to purchase merchandise to give to each other. For various reasons, I don't believe in credit cards, and yet, trying to pay for something by personal check at the local Hecht's, they either *require* a credit card, or go through the Nazi check-warranty company Equifax. However, it doesn't stop there...only SOME departments seem to have this requirement (Electronics/Luggage not requiring). Is it legal to require credit cards? |\/|ike Gurski mgursk1(a)umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mgursk1/ finger/mail subject "send pgpkey"|"send index" Hail Eris! -><- O- |Member, 1024/39B5BADD PGP Keyprint=3493 A994 B159 48B7 1757 1E4E 6256 4570 | Team My opinions are mine alone, even if you should be sharing them. | OS/2 Senate Finance Committee Chair, SGA 1996-1997 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: I am not a number, I am a free man! iQCVAwUBMr2dZiKEMrE5tbrdAQGNEwQAjxsj387SAbEQnGr+8j0z12cWpREK/Y8U e5xCYMMwJ6J+rLip05nZ8uMHfY/anfGW5m2mMrvsVOggMh5Sv9Ljrw3u4uFl66B5 yU3iU3couXIZx5Dv1QhGdOSZPRpIo7wZGwCGtF4z9TM+cUzEUzA8LMDgavG8fY0D T+yrGuzhSzg= =aQ97 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: the word is "NIGGAZ"
by jlucas4＠capital.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually the word is "niggus." "Niggaz" is the white man's nasal rendition of this term. It can alos be spelt "niggas," but this form implies a different context. context. "Niggus" is used often within gangsta rap music in an effort to rhyme with difficult words when no other way can be found. "Niggas" would be referring to other black fellows in a friendly way. More or less. Gangsta J ************************************************************************** # Gangsta J # "Dead bodies pile up, an' it's plain to see, # # j(a)hardcore.gangsta.com # it's because o' me. I'm the girl killa, the # # Brownsville ghetto # throat slitta, the cunt rippa" - J # **************************************************************************

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Re: Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Just saying someone has a Southern "accent" is prejudicial and ignorant. > It's true that anyone, Southern or otherwise, can slur words so they're > not clear, but on averages, Southerners who speak clearly with their > native inflections and pronunciations are easier to understand than your > typical Yankees, whose speech is generally thin, nasal and rather pinched- > sounding. Yeah. But I can't understand people with Southern Accents therefore I won't hire them. > People talked about hate in the South in the 1960's. What a crock. > Apartheid, sure, no doubt about that. But hate, well, I grew up in > the North and I lived for a few years in the deep South, and the people > in the South don't hate like the Yankees do, on average. Wow. You must read completely different history books than the rest of the world. > If you want to see how hate works, look how the big-media organizations > have descended on Southern radio and TV and have been telling them that > they speak wrongly, and that Southern "accents" are something to be > ashamed of. Damn the liberal media! (That was a sarcastic statement - do you know how right-wing that sounds).

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Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would like to conclude this Ebonics issue. The main problem is understanding. Some people have bad accents, either Southern or Ebonic, both of which are often difficult to understand. I am not disputing the fact that everyone should learn a standard language, but I object to the racial undertones of the messages - that black people are stupider than white people, and gross ignorance of environmental conditions. Whatever. Mark Rosen FireSoft - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/2690 Mark Eats AOL - http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6660

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Re: Ebonics
by Mark Rosen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > No. Speaking in Ebonics is the same as speaking with an accent. You can't > > control their expression; you learned to speak with a Southern accent as a > > child, while other people learned to speak with an Ebonic accent (?). By > > condoning speaking in a Southern accent, you condone speaking in Ebonics. > > Whatever rational basis your arguments may have had were eradicated by the > ludicrous logical conclusion drawn above. Hehe. What I mean to say is that since both Ebonics and a Southern accent are learned during early childhood, you have no control over how you talk. You can't penalize someone for speaking the way they were taught. > > I can't understand thick Southern accents. No matter how smart you are, > > I'm not going to hire you because I can't understand you. How do you feel? > > Oh so sad. Let me make this clear, an accent is far different from > grammatically incorrect speech. I can speak with grammatic perfection and a > drawl so heavy it'll make your eyeballs hurt. Yeah. I thought the issue was understanding in the workplace; no matter how gramatically correct your are, I can't understand you and so I won't hire you.

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