December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Trade secrets / moderator liability
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As reported by Michael Froomkin's correspondent, the Uniform Trade Secrets Act <http://www.execpc.com/~mhallign/usta.html> (enacted with local modifications in, as I understand it, 40 states, among them California) says that third parties may be held liable for misappropriation of a trade secret where the third party knows or has reason to know that they are doing so. For example, California Civil Code section 3426.3 says: 3426.3.(a) A complainant may recover damages for the actual loss caused by misappropriation. A complainant also may recover for the unjust enrichment caused by misappropriation that is not taken into account in computing damages for actual loss. (b) If neither damages nor unjust enrichment caused by misappropriation are provable, the court may order payment of a reasonable royalty for no longer than the period of time the use could have been prohibited. (c) If willful and malicious misappropriation exists, the court may award exemplary damages in an amount not exceeding twice any award made under subdivision (a) or (b). And misappropriation is defined in California Civil Code section 3426(1)(b) as: (1) Acquisition of a trade secret of another by a person who knows or has reason to know that the trade secret was acquired by improper means; or (2) Disclosure or use of a trade secret of another without express or implied consent by a person who: (A) Used improper means to acquire knowledge of the trade secret; or (B) At the time of disclosure or use, knew or had reason to know that his or her knowledge of the trade secret was: (i) Derived from or through a person who had utilized improper means to acquire it; (ii) Acquired under circumstances giving rise to a duty to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (iii) Derived from or through a person who owed a duty to the person seeking relief to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (C) Before a material change of his or her position, knew or had reason to know that it was a trade secret and that knowledge of it had been acquired by accident or mistake. My other concern about moderator liability for approving/distributing trade secret material is in the criminal context. For example, the Economic Espionage Act of 1996 (HR 3723, now found at 18 USC 1831 et seq, <ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c104/h3723.enr.txt> ) says that some trade secret violations are now a federal crime; and California Penal Code section 499c(b) also criminalizes some wrongful acts relating to trade secrets. Specifically, I think it's feasible to find aiding & abetting (and, more remotely, conspiracy) liability where a moderator knowingly and substantially contributes to public disclosure of a trade secret. It seems to me that there's a murky middle period, where the trade secret is known to some wrong people, but is still substantially a secret, where third party liability is present. But once a wide distribution of the secret is made, I don't think it's meaningful to talk about further distribution as misappropriation. If there's no common-sense "it's no longer a secret" safety valve, trade secret would provide time-unlimited protection to publically available information, which I think would be preempted by (or frustrate the purpose of) Congress' limited grants of protection to information via patent and copyright. But this is only my conjecture about how things ought to work, given the responsibilities created for third parties by statutes like the UTSA; I don't know of cases on this issue and given my work/bar review schedule, won't have time to find them any time soon. Also, as I mentioned in my previous message, I think there are good arguments that neither of the prominent trade secret disclosures I'm familiar with that have occurred (in part) via the list would create moderator liability. I'm mentioning moderator liability (and writing what's turning into a long message about it) not because I think it's an especially big danger but because I think it's an interesting public policy issue. I don't have the teeniest clue how other nations' laws might treat third parties who assist or enable the wide dissemination of trade secret materials. Perhaps other list members can offer a local perspective. -- Greg Broiles gbroiles(a)c2.net 510-986-8779 voice 510-986-8777 fax

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If guilty of a lesser crime, you can be sentenced for a greater
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:44:07 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: If guilty of a lesser crime, you can be sentenced for a greater The Supreme Court ruled on this sentencing case yesterday. Kennedy and Stevens -- hardly known as civil libertarians -- dissented. The Court reversed the 9th Circuit, ruling the lower court was wrong to say that such a practice "would make the jury's findings of fact pointless." The court declared: "Sentencing enhancements do not punish a defendant for crimes of which he was not convicted, but rather increase his sentence because of the manner in which he committed the crime of conviction." Double jeopardy? What's that? Of course it was a drug crime. The defendant, Vernon Watts, was convicted of cocaine possession with intent to distribute. To paraphrase another saying: "'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution." -Declan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:41:35 -0800 From: Jim Warren <jwarren(a)well.com> Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Did you read about the U.S. Supreme Court's recent decision? Seems they decided it was acceptable for a judge to use crimes for which a jury has found a defendent *NOT guilty*, to justify imposing greater penalties than the judge could otherwise, for a lesser crime for which the jury found the defendent guilty. (It's quite common to prosecute someone for multiple crimes, and have the jury find them innocent of some charges, but guilty of others.) Now, all a judge has to do is opine that, in his or her unilateral opinion, there is a "preponderance of evidence" of guilt of the more serious crime -- in spite of the unanimous finding by every member of the jury, that the defendent is NOT guilty of that crime, beyond a reasonable doubt. The Supreme's *unsigned* 7-2 opinion says than a finding of NOT guilty, "does not prove that the defendent is innocent; it *merely* proves the esistence of a reasonable doubt as to his guilt." [I.e., all U.S. citizens now risk being penalized as theough they are guilty, unless they can PROVE they're innocent!] Much worse, the basis for *criminal* guilt and associated penalties -- charged, prosecuted and imposed using the massive powers and resources of the State -- has now functionally changed from proof "beyond a reasonable doubt," to the much lesser standard of, "preponderance of evidence," which used to be limited only to civil litigation prosecuted between private attorneys for feuding plaintiffs. Who says the practices of the Third Reich didn't survive!? --jim, Amerikan citizen Jim Warren (jwarren(a)well.com) GovAccess list-owner/editor, advocate & columnist (Govt.Technology, MicroTimes) 345 Swett Rd., Woodside CA 94062; voice/415-851-7075; fax-for-the-quaint/<ask> [Also blind-cc'ed to others.]

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Re: [STATS] Cypherpunks subscriptions on and off
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Black Unicorn writes: > More fear from Mr. Thorn that his own time in the spotlight might be > drawing to a close. God forbid his captive audience might vanish. Tell me, how can an audience be captive when they control the "delete" key? ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet A voice whispered to me last night. It said: "There is no such thing as a voice whispering in the night!"

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Thanks.
by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Thanks for clearing up that file size query for me. You are right about that 258 (it's actually 256) header attribute. In that header is where the IMDMP special security option settings are stored (if they are indeed enabled). But the options are rarely ever used by most developers. For more information, download UDCM V2.0 from: http://members.aol.com/DataETRsch/udcm.html and view the help documentation. Also, the 256 byte header itself is encrypted with a 128-bit encryption code. Thanks again! :-) Jeremy... President DataET Research Data Engineering Technologies

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Install UDCM properly before using it...
by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi again, The shareware version of UDCM *must* be installed before use. Run "install.exe" after decompression of the archive. JUST INCASE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL I AM TALKING ABOUT: Greetings! I am Jeremy K. Yu-Ramos, president of DataET Research, Data Engineering Technologies. I am sending you this message to let you know that DataET Research has recently initiated the distribution of UDCM, Universal Data Cryptography Module. UDCM implements a revolutionarily new, extremely advanced and sophisticated, digital data encryption algorithm named IMDMP, Integrated Mathematical Data Manipulation and Positioning. Extensive research shows that IMDMP is more advanced than DES, RSA, IDEA, and PGP. UDCM (the IMDMP algorithm)... o Is a royalty-free Windows DLL module featuring advanced cryptography. o Contains more than 140 procedures and functions. o Is a very cost-effective size of only 57 kilobytes. o Implements the IMDMP encryption algorithm. o Is more advanced than all of the industry standard encryption algorithms. o Allows encryption keys as large as 256 bytes (2048 bits). o Includes 18 sub-algorithms. o Processes all forms of binary and ASCII files. o Allows multiple encryption layer levels. o Has absolutely no back-doors or magical keys. o Does not store encryption keys in files. o Processes files as large as 2,147,483,390 bytes. o Has a 100% data preservation rating. o Includes Y2K compliant time and date locking features. o Has NCSC compliant data cleaning and wiping capabilities. o Includes file specific unique encryption features. o Includes file authentication guard features. o Includes unique encryption signaturing features. o Includes data importance and sensitivity stamping features. UDCM can be accessed through programs developed with popular application and database programming languages and environments such as: C, C++, Visual Basic, PowerBuilder, Delphi, OOP Pascal, Turbo Pascal, SmallTalk, dBase, Paradox, Access, Sybase, Oracle, etc. DataET Research has released a shareware version of UDCM named UDCM V2.0. To download UDCM V2.0 for free, please go to: http://members.aol.com/dataetrsch/udcm.html. I hope you will consider applying UDCM in the software you develop. Thank-you very much for your time. Jeremy... President DataET Research Data Engineering Technologies

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Re: Key Escrow Good, GAK Bad
by Douglas Barnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This whole line of reasoning is exactly what the government is preying on -- and it's working with a lot of people. However, it's a red herring. By and large, the government doesn't care about file-level encryption, the sort where the Key Escrow systems you're outlining would be useful. Furthermore, this kind of encryption can be done pretty much in isolation -- it's not a communication medium, so it's less susceptible to attacks on standardization. What the government is mostly concerned with is encryption that's used for communicating, where there is no similar feeling on the part of individuals or industry that something like key escrow is needed. It is a classic bait-and-switch maneuver. Furthermore, if people really wanted Key Escrow, the government wouldn't have to be putting the thumbscrews to software companies to get them to adopt it -- the market would perform this function quite nicely. FWIW, Doug At 04:31 PM 1/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >> To me, Key Recovery cryptography is like using a condom with a >>hole in it. No thanks. > >I agree in principle, and I doubt I would ever use a key recovery system >if I had a choice. But, speaking as a network manager, I know that >private key recovery (not GAK) can be an enhancement to security. > >I'll give an example. About a year ago, my boss wanted to protect his >file of annual financial projections for the company from prying eyes on >our Macintosh network. I installed CurveEncrypt on his machine, showed >him how to use it, and gave him the standard lecture on choosing a good >passphrase. I stressed that he needed to chose a passphrase easy to >remember, because if he forgot it, there was no way to get his file back. > >Well, he forgot his passphrase. He spent an hour trying every >combination he could think of, interjecting a curse here and there for >color. He is now totally off using encryption to protect sensitive >information. He refuses to use it, and he discourages anyone in the >office from using it. I know that his position is unfair, but he _is_ >the boss, so he makes the rules. > >And he is a typical computer user. If your average joe forgets his >passphrase and loses two days worth of work, he's not likely to encrypt >his work again. (Or he's likely to write down his passphrase in the >future). If we were using a Key Escrow system, this situation could have >been avoided. Yes, using a key escrow system is less secure that using a >non-key escrow system, but I'd argue that using a strong key escrow >system is better than using no encryption at all in situations like this. > Our network is less secure that it could be because of one user's bad >experience. > >Ken >

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Re: MNET
by Guy Hoogewerf 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Speed Dial To make life even easier, you can also preprogram up to 99 of your friends, clients, telephone numbers to be accessed by dialing only 3 numbers! To Use Use Callback to get the US dial tone. · Press the * key ž Press in the Index number for the person you wish to call, press * key

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A vote of confidence for Sanderson.
by Butler, Scott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After reading all of these people babbling on about giving a vote of confidence for Sandy I decided that I should also. I have full confidence in Sandy:-) (Well it normally works over here in the U.K...if a football manager receives a vote of confidence from the board of directors it is a foregone conclusion that his resignation will be handed in or his P45 will be handed out within days!) Scott

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Interested in making extra income?
by ubs95＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: encryption program
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Path: perun!news2.panix.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.co.za!NEWS!not-for-mail From: Pierre van Rooyen <jvrooyen(a)liasec.infolink.co.za> Newsgroups: alt.security Subject: encryption program Message-ID: <32D39684.285B(a)liasec.infolink.co.za> Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 04:43:48 -0800 Organization: Secunda Lines: 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are familiar with encryption please help me with the following Firstly I want to know if there are a encryption program currently used that are completely succure from hackers. In other words, information encrypted that no person is able to decrypt. Well if there isn't such a program I really think I have one that I have written myself. It is simple text that I have encrypted and so far no one was able to decrypt it. You can go and have a look yourself at http://www.lia.net/pvrooyen/encrypt.txt (CLICK HERE to go there now) If you think this program can be used please reply to this letter and I will give you more information. **PLEASE reply via e-mail ---> <a href="mailto:jvrooyen@liasec.infolink.co.za">CLICK HERE</a> to reply now. Hope to hear from you soon. Regards Pierre van Rooyen

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