December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation
by Against Moderation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 20:54:05 -0800 (PST) > From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> > > Sir, Please don't assume anything about my sex. Do you think only men know how to use nym servers? > I asked you to keep our communications private. You did not do > so. I have nothing further to say to you. I understand your desire to keep this secret. Believe me, I know this must be an unpleasant situation for you. Nonetheless, I believe this issue is so important and relevant to the cypherpunks community that it outweighs your wish to keep it a secret. I respect the difficulty of your situation, and would not try to air this issue if I did not think exposing it immediately was of the utmost importance. Please, try to see this from as disinterested a point of view as possible. I know it's difficult being both the moderator and one of the parties involved in the dispute. However, we have a situation here where threats of libel have suppressed not only technical discussion of the actual software in question (which actually wouldn't be much of a discussion), but even discussion on the mechanics of moderation, something highly relevant to the list. Worse yet, people subscribed to the list DON'T EVEN KNOW that this discussion is being suppressed. We need to get this issue out, even if only in part. If my article was unacceptable, can you at least tell me which parts I should eliminate. I am willing to censor as much of it as I need to to get it published, as long as my main point gets accross. Surely you must agree that my main point doesn't have anything to do with the piece of software involved, right? Has it really come down to a situation where even the *fact* that some articles are being suppressed must be suppressed? Please. Think of the purpose of cypherpunks. Do the right thing. I am flexible. I will edit my article even more. But please, tell me what I can do to get it onto the main list. People need to know what is happening. I append my article here once again. If you really cannot accept it, at least tell me what I can change to get it accepted. Thank you. - -- To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com CC: tcmay(a)got.net Subject: The Frightening Dangers of Moderation Well, folks, tonight I have witnessed the frightening dangers of moderation and censorship first-hand, and would like to tell you what has happened. I think there is an important lesson to be learned from these incidents. Before I explain what has happened, I want to make one thing absolutely clear. Though I've thought the moderation of cypherpunks was a terrible idea from the start and am even more convinced of it now, I don't assign any blame to Sandy. I believe he offered to moderate the list with the best of intentions, and I sincerely appreciate his efforts to try to revive what was once a fantastic mailing list, even if in my opinion those efforts have backfired. Sandy has been a valuable advocate of cypherpunk beliefs and a lively contributor to cypherpunks list for a long time. Though the moderation experiment has resulted in some terrible consequences, we can't blame him for what has happened. If the events I have witnessed tonight occured with such a high-standing member of the cypherpunks community in charge, the cause of them can only be the very nature of moderation and censorship. I don't think any of us could have done much better in Sandy's shoes. Now, what happened tonight? As some of you may recall, a month or so ago I vehemently argued against the elimination of the cypherpunks-unedited mailingt list. Some people (though no one associated with toad.com) were claiming that 3 mailing lists might be too much load, and that having cypherpunks and cypherpunks-flames would be enough. I argued that not only would the delay of waiting for a decision put alternate cypherpunks moderators at a disadvantage, it would make it farm more difficult to convince people of the moderator's honesty as there would be no guarantee that messages made it to either list. Fortunately, cypherpunks-unedited did get created (it seems no one "in charge" ever intended not to create it). Well, as it turns out, a number of messages have made it neither to cypherpunks nor to cypherpunks-flames. Making matters worse, however, not only are certain messages being suppressed from both lists, but even messages mentioning that fact get suppressed from both the cypherpunks and the cypherpunks-flames lists! Here's exactly what happened. I was beginning to believe that Dmitri Vulis had sent an (admitedly objectionable) message to the cypherpunks mailing list, but that the message had gone to neither the cypherpunks nor the cypherpunks-flames lists. Since I was under the impression that every article was supposed to go to one list or the other, and many people probably still believe that, I mentioned this somewhat startling fact on the cypherpunks mailing list, I believe in response to a post by Tim May on the same subject. Tim replied (in a message Cc'ed to cypherpunks--though I don't think it went anywhere but to -unedited), asking me in the message, "Can you send to the list, with a copy to me, the articles CENSOREDCENSOREDCENS OREDCENSOREDCENSORE?" I therefore went back through my mail archives and found a copy of the message that I believed had gone to neither mailing list. I sent it to Tim and to cypherpunks. I prepended a few paragraphs in which I asked people to confirm that the message had gone to neither mailing list. Among other things in those paragraphs, I stated that Vulis's message was "verifiably false". It was clear from the context that I was forwarding this message to ask people which lists it had gone to, not because I believed the content to be correct or even at all convincing or interesting. That message I sent, quoting Vulis's, immediately follows this message, after the line '========'. Then, tonight, I received a message from Sandy, which I include below a second '========' marker. In that letter, Sandy had explicitly aknowledged not only that he had sent Vulis's letter to neither mailing list, but that he wouldn't send my letter to either mailing list, either! He claimed that he couldn't forward Vulis's message because it was libel, and accused me of committing libel simply by quoting Vulis's message, even though I explicitly stated that Vulis's message was verifiably false. Well, this travesty must exposed, even if I can't make known all the details for fear of libel charges. I am therefore forwarding everything I can to the cypherpunks mailing list, for all to see. As you can see, Vulis made unfounded and incorrect charges that a particular system contained a security hole. Believe me, if I could get into the details of the case I could convince you easily that his claim is not true. However, since even quoting that claim apparently opens me up to charges of libel, I can't give you the details. Thus, I have censored (by overriting original text with the letters CENSORED) any portion of quoted messages that might give you an indication of what system Vulis actually claimed had a security hole. This censorship should not, however, affect my main point, and the lesson that I hope we can all take away from this. When it comes down to it, the details of this case do not matter. What does matter is that even when the "good guys" attempt benign censorship, it can have frighteningly far-reaching effects on people's ability to discuss otherwise reasonable topics such as the mechanics of the cypherpunks list. I generally dislike censorship and moderation, but the consequences of the cypherpunks experiment have gone far beyond anything I could have imagined. In closing, let me reiterate that I don't think most of this is Sandy's, John's, or anyone else's fault. Given the knowledge I have of this case, I believe Sandy has unwittingly found himself ensnarled in a nasty legal situation where, for fear of legal reprisal he must block articles that he has a moral obligation to send to cypherpunks-flames. I certainly don't envy his position. [To moderator Sandy: I believe we must get the content of this message to the main cypherpunks mailing list. I have done everything I can to ensure that the message contains no libel. If, for some reason, you still can't send it on to the main cypherpunks mailing list, can you please tell me specifically which parts cause problems. I will the CENSOR them out and try again. This message contains important, highly relevant information for the cypherpunks community. Please help me do what it takes to get it accepted by the moderation process. Thanks.] ======== To: tcmay(a)got.net CC: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Chain: nym=antimod In-reply-to: <v03007802af21505d61f5(a)[207.167.93.63]> (tcmay(a)got.net) Subject: Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of CENSORCENSOREDCENSOREDC? Okay, I went through my old mail, and I'm fairly sure this is the message. I'm convinced it never went to the flames list, and now that I've found out I'm on the -unedited list after all, I think it probably didn't go to the regular cypherpunks list either. Can people on the various lists confirm this for me? Given the total lack of technical content, the flamey nature of the article, and the fact that it is verifiably false (CENSOREDCENSOREDC ENSOREDCENSOREDCE), I can see people arguing it should have gone to - -flames (though I would probably disagree). However, I don't want to debate that. What I object to more strongly and think is wrong is the fact that it went to *neither* list. A lot of people out there are subscribing to the cypherpunks-flames and cypherpunks lists thinking that they will see everything that gets rejected (albeit with a substantial delay). If this is not the case, it should be made clear. Otherwise, it's not moderation, but dishonesty. - -- >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Jan 30 17:26:50 1997 From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Subject: Security alert!!! To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:15:21 EST Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18833; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu.psi.com (uu.psi.com [38.9.86.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18824; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA02017 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:57:10 -0500 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:19:19 EST for cypherpunks(a)toad.com Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <aw5c2D4w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Lines: 19 WARNING: There's a rogue trojan horse out there on the internet CENSOREDCENS OREDCENSOREDCENSOREDCEN. It's actually a hacked-up version of CENSOR with a backdoor, which allows hackers (or whoever knows the backdoor) to steal credit card numbers and other confidentil information on the Internet. Be careful! Always use encryption. Do not send confidential information 9such as passwords and credit card numbers) to any site running the trojan horse CENSOREDCENS. In general, beware of "snake oil" security products and hacked-up versions of free software. Please repost this warning to all relevant computer security forums. - --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps ======== X-From: sandfort(a)crl.com Sat Feb 08 00:56:23 1997 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:45:31 -0800 (PST) From: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort(a)crl.com> To: Against Moderation <antimod(a)nym.alias.net> Subject: Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of CENSOREDCENSOREDCENSORE? In-Reply-To: <19970207220720.15530.qmail(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Hi, On 7 Feb 1997, Against Moderation wrote: > What I object to more strongly and think is wrong is the > fact that it went to *neither* list. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that. As soon as I can arrange it with John, I am going to stop moderating the list. In the interim, I *will not* be sending your post onto either the Flames or the Moderated lists. This is done for legal reason. As it is, you have already published a libel on the unedited list by repeating Dimitri's libel. This exposes you to legal liability, but as an anonymous poster, you are somewhat insulated from the consequences of your act. If you would like to PRIVATELY discuss this matter with me, I would not mind going into more detail with you. Suffice it to say, I any re-publication by me of Dimitri's libel would expose John and myself to legal liability and could also act to insulate Dimitri from liability as a result of CENSOREDCENSOREDCE NSOREDCENDOREDCENDOREDC. Take care, S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMvwRPoCHQnqYPZ9VAQF60gQAizQlcgLKHMviZclZZtGEHm0AcWjjhijr bj809X1/70+KUzfHXJ9vVt4Jc5nqJblKlWiuux/KnSsnAXT8C0pyaUpp1vARYE2C w78pMfZxNQRuo/0IYuHfEb/rhdGieLQbqFGkpN3gj9iRzU4jOE7/PFejJKLYckDT 7aP0LdeRS/8= =wCgj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Congressional cell phone security hearing
by Dan Veeneman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hyperbole flew hot and heavy during a February 5 hearing on cellular telephone privacy chaired by Louisiana Republican Billy Tauzin. The House Commerce Subcommittee on Telecommunications, Trade, and Consumer Protection held a hearing titled "Is anybody listening? You betcha." Subcommittee members were shocked, just shocked to learn that, according to a hyper-animated Thomas Wheeler (president of the Cellular Telephone Industry Association), Americans are engaged in "electronic stalking" of cellular telephone users. Further details of CSPAN pandering and Ed Markey's (D-MA) Humpty Dumpty imitation ("words mean whatever I want them to mean") elided. Some notable moments: Representative Cliff Stearns (R-FL), during a discussion about encryption, called PGP "a darn good program." Jay Kitchen, head of the Personal Communications Industry Association, related an (apocryphal?) story about MI5 requiring 2 Crays to run for 3 days to break a single GSM. Jim Kallstrom, Assistant Director FBI and head of the New York field office, woodenly delivered his (IMHO unfocused) testimony and reported that on the first day of the TWA Flight 800 crash investigation he determined that the news media knew more than they should, so he confiscated the cell phones of the FBI agents and locked them away, under the (reasonable) presumption that reporters were listening to FBI cell phone calls. Jimmy also reiterated the FBI line that their new wiretap requirements were reasonable and necessary to protect American citizens from terrorists. Dan dan(a)decode.com -- cypherp(a)decode.com (Dan Veeneman) Cryptography, Security, Privacy BBS +1 410 730 6734 Data/FAX

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** THE 30 SECOND COMMUTE **
by action＠answerme.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Internet Alert! Pay for local dial-up??
by E-Mail Communications 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Raph's remailer list is at http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html and indicates lots of different remailer features, including whether they accept or require PGP, and what reliability they've been getting recently. The remailer that was shut down was the remailer named "lead"; you may have noticed that your reply went to a machine named "zinc"..... At 11:56 PM 2/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts >pgp messages. > >BTW which remailer was shut down and why? > > > > > > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: 40-bit RC5 crack meaningless?
by Ian Goldberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199702071941.LAA29283(a)toad.com>, Peter Trei <trei(a)ziplink.net> wrote: >The purpose of an IV is to make dictionary and replay attacks more >difficult. It is not intended to prevent brute force attacks, and so >is _normally_ included in the clear in communications protocols (for >example, see RFC 1827 for it's clear transmission in IPSEC). If it >is not included, it is effectively part of the keying material, and >thus adds it's bits to the strength of the key. As such, its value >would have to be transmitted and protected as carefully as the rest of >the key. This is a common mistake. Just use the first block of ciphertext as the IV, and start decrypting from the second block. Let's say you discover that key K causes C2,C3,... to decrypt to something intelligible (P2,P3,...), using C1 as the IV. What could P1 have been? Well, we know that (if IV is the _actual_ IV, which you don't know) E_K[IV^P1] = C1, so IV^P1 = D_K[C1]. But we now have what is effectively a one-time pad situation, where P1 is the plaintext, IV is the pad, and D_K[C1] is the ciphertext. Thus, if you don't know the IV in a CBC situation, you can still recover all of the plaintext starting at the second block with the same amount of work it would have taken to have recovered the whole plaintext, given the IV (the IV does not in fact add its bits to the strength of the key), but you learn nothing about the first block (unless something about the protocol gives you a clue based on your knowledge of subsequent blocks). Disclaimer: I've been having a rough week... - Ian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMvwT8kZRiTErSPb1AQEqMgQAoM3TW9xyN47aLt5p8BsYMEvWFa+e7sgt TGZa8DtuPPosciR8J7O2aMbKSvRHoLFFF0bBccC6NSsoVTlBUB2C+gGeMJ4ufk+A PbPMW1z4JvGyeVYtrEKPweetTl5ZprbbLoS778Pwm+9/RpwZte372B7BkgTvQR+H QjXuSmuua9c= =pqWE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Internet Alert! Pay for local dial-up??
by E-Mail Communications 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Andrew Loewenstern <andrew_loewenstern(a)il.us.swissbank.com> writes: > Charley Musselman writes: > > Does anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose > > a trusted remailer? > > The answer is to run your own remailer. Make sure your chain includes your > remailer at least once. If you can't trust yourself, who can you trust? Ummm, if you run your own remailer, and don't get lots of people to use it, then traffic analysis will reveal that you are the sender quite quickly. It will pretty much make everything in the chain before your remiler useless. If you send your message through remailers a, b, c, and d like this: you -> a -> b -> c -> d -> alt.drugs.and-other-various-horsemen and only you use c, then your effective chain is: someone who could only be you -> d -> alt.drugs.and-other-various-horsemen This chain is weak indeed. Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMvwyI8kz/YzIV3P5AQE6JgL/RJ9Y3GmZl2mQ0dK9tVtaZG7OW33xKHqV Ur9fQt3Yms19bCbq+bAWoeNC5ZPjXESCtGigPW3VmXVjCd4igPepk25dtzR1OcL+ In/0n9QcRqDvmupZFFdldY62orGQyVEm =JIWK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NYC meeting?
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, are there any Cypherpunks-Meetings in NYC? Ciao Harka -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMvw4/DltEBIEF0MBAQEHXwf8D93/Y2XUteMNha8/sISuETEHz5U+t1Jo P27CX706L6qidSxUU8ytMLERAjpIw1khId6DBm/XiHNCS7lSR4PPLs3iW+wJRWTf 1OslxP8c7QuXLsr8QwFQQJ8S9BfYPMN08Kev9hUd7zX7tZJV6DToKe4msROME7Wx s5weFEpsRqUDH44c0fsDdo5486vuoSuqCmbfhfKqhvR4PwErwxLHoQ4AvUyj3YfL jSkt5QJFbA1iMDOQQBh4N/gKS0qsIUotDLtI+gLb7RI4828wF87M4pJLwyqOIohS oiV1PFWQx4n1gmG2kZh3PbkXYlOU1dzDwS6nDNx1ZR9mjdTiZ+cWdQ== =Cnr+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Privacy Problems with the IAHC New TLD Report SLD Policies
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The International Internet Ad-Hoc Committee released its report on new Top Level Domains for the Internet. It's interesting, and resulted from much political wrangling and religious conflict, and for the most part I think it's taking a reasonable approach to the problems, and I'm certainly not going to go postal like Postmaster Karl Denninger :-) A few particularly nice features: - .nom TLD, for name-based domains - Multiple registrars per name space, reducing the monopoly problem - trying to keep governments or PTTs from controlling it, though it's a bit big-business oriented for stability reasons. Mostly I wasn't worried, because sensible people were going to make sure they didn't do anything totally disastrous. Apparently I _should_ have been watching more closely, because the SLD _Second_ Level Domain part has some policies that seriously interfere with the privacy of potential domain name users. References and long quotes are below... To a large extent, they've been trying to avoid getting stuck in trademark problems by collecting lots of information and defining jurisdiction. In the process, they're asking you to sign away your first-born child in return for getting your name in the Yellow Pages(tm), and they're requiring all the Registrars to reject your application unless you do. The rules are especially inappropriate for the .nom domain, which is for personal names and such, and don't need overkill. There's a place for serious high-value commerce behaviour, and much of this isn't too inappropriate for .firm - but even that ignores the radical communication-pushed changes in the economy that make everybody able to run a worldwide business. It's not just that they want your email address (highly reasonable) or your phone and physical address (ought to be optional) or your IP address (they don't ask) or domain name (ok) or digital or written signature. It's not even just obnoxious things like demanding that you swear (against _my_ religion...) to a bunch of things, like "the reason for requesting this particular domain name" or what you're planning to do with the domain name (perfectly reasonable things to ask for as optional extras, and business may want to reveal these, but "Decline to State" or "" or "MYOB" are perfectly reasonable responses.) It's things like designating an agent for service of process, and "submits to the personal and subject matter jurisdiction and venue of a competent tribunal in the country where the registrar resides". Aside from believing that you ought to be able to choose what governments, if any, you're going to subject yourself to, I'd also expect that this would be annoying to people who don't live in one of the <=28 countries that get Registrars in them. And certainly if you're going to designate someone as an agent for service of process (you can use the Registrar) there'd better be some contractual language available so you can tell what you're swearing to. Is it reasonable to have a policy that users need to indicate how they'd like to receive communications about name and trademark disputes? Sure. And that they hold the Registrar harmless in such disputes? Probably. And which dispute resolution organization they're willing to have resolve disputes over names (a _much_ milder statement than "submit to personal and subject matter jurisdiction"....)? Yeah, even if the default is "the Registrar can disconnect your name if you don't respond to trademark complaints in N days." Certainly the Registrar ought to have some options here. ======================== REFERENCES =================================== The Final Report is at http://www.iahc.org/draft-iahc-recommend-00.html (nice name for a "final" report :-) The Application Forms for SLDs aren't in the draft on the web page, so I'm assuming they're referring to something similar to the December draft's Appendix. Mailing list archives are at http://www.iahc.org/iahc-discuss/ ========================================================================== QUOTES FROM THE REPORT ========================================================================== 6.1.5 Second-Level Domains SLD application Application for a second-level domain name must include: Sufficient contact and intended use information Appointment of an agent for service of process Agreement to jurisdiction in the event of trademark litigation. Mediation and arbitration clause (discussed in a later section) A separate document entitled "SLD Applications" (see section 1.4) contains the information that must be included in a SLD application. Applications submitted electronically must include state of the art electronic identification; written applications must be signed by the applicant, if an individual, or by an officer or other legally authorized representative if the applicant is an entity. Renewal and non-use To promote accountability, discourage extortion and minimize obsolete entries, SLD assignments must be renewed annually. Appendix B, attached, includes the information that must be included in a renewal application. Renewal applications submitted electronically must include state of the art electronic identification; written renewal applications must be signed by the applicant, if an individual, or by an officer or other legally authorized representative if the applicant is an entity. In addition to requiring annual renewal, CORE will develop policies to ensure the recovery of sub-domains which no longer have an authoritative source (lame delegations). 6.2 Discussion In order to ensure consistency of basic service across registrars, certain information is required in all applications for SLDs under gTLDs. It is desirable that a domain name application include sufficient information regarding the applicant and the applicant's intended use of the domain name to ensure applicant accountability and to ensure that sufficient information is available to enable trademark owners to assess the need for a challenge to the proposed SLD domain. ================= [more stuff] ================================================ 7.1.3 Publication All applications for SLDs in the gTLDs will be published on a publicly available, publicized web site, immediately upon receipt by the registrar. Such publication entries will include: Name of the SLD; Contact and use information contained in the application; A permanent tag or label (created by CORE) indicating whether the applicant chose the option of waiting 60 days prior to assignment of the requested SLD or chose to forego the 60 day wait; Entry validation using accepted digital signature and timestamping techniques. Those applicants choosing not to wait will not be in a position to claim the defensive benefit of the waiting period against a challenge, at any time, by a trademark owner. =================================================== ======================================================================= APPENDIX FROM DRAFT - SLD APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS ======================================================================= 11.1 Appendix A - SLD Application Requirements Every application for assignment of a SLD must include the following elements (incomplete applications must be returned to the applicant for completion): 1.Applicant's name, business or residential address, email address, fax and phone number(s). 2.The state or country of incorporation or partnership (if applicable). 3.The name and address of a designated agent for service of process where the registrar is located, which may be the applicant in the case of an individual. (The applicant may designate the registrar as the agent for service of process.) 4.A sworn statement by the individual applicant or by an officer or general partner of a corporate or partnership applicant: 1.that there is a bona fide intent to use the domain name publicly within 60 days of registration, and a bona fide intent to continue such use in the foreseeable future; 2.that the domain name will be used for [fill in the blank, e.g., "for a web site to advertise applicant's candy manufacturing business"]. This may be a broad statement and is not intended in any way to restrict actual use. However, to the extent that a commercial use is intended, this statement should identify the industry in which the use is intended to be made and should indicate which of the following uses will be made: web site, email, bulletin board and/other describe); 3.that the applicant believes that the intended use of the domain name will not infringe any rights of any other party; 4.that the reason for requesting this particular domain name is that it conforms to [check one of the following]: ___ applicant's company name or variation thereof ___ applicant's trademark or variation thereof ___ individual applicant's name or variation thereof ___ other (provide full explanation) 1.that the applicant submits to the personal and subject matter jurisdiction and venue of a competent tribunal in the country where the registrar resides for purposes of any action brought under trademark law, unfair competition laws, or similar/related laws arising out of actual or intended use of the domain name applied for; and applicant waives all rights to challenge such personal jurisdiction, subject matter jurisdiction and/or venue. ============================================================================ ======== # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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