December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: With my deepest regards....
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-30 17:46:12 EST, you write: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com wrote: > Adam Breaux wrote: > > I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of > > email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the > > volume of garbage and egotistical ranting[snippo] > Note to cypherpunks: This guy complains about the problem, but he *is* > the problem. *He* wants to tell us *he's* leaving. Talk about ego- > tistical ranting! What a hypocrite. > Since I never said I dont contribute to the problem.. I think Ill point > out... that in a reverse notion...He isn't the problem. What you replied > back is the problem. Argumentum ad nauseam. The point is, Adam (I think) wanted to tell us he's leaving. Well, who gives a shit, anyway? Instead of ranting against me, tell the cypherpunks why they should care that this particular individual is "leaving the list". >> he did: =-} <<I am withdrawing from this list. Not because of the volume of email...that I can deal with...but what I cannot deal with is the volume of garbage and egotistical ranting that seems so prevalent in what should for all sakes and purposes be a discussion of cyphering and security. Apparently the name of this list is designed to mislead...because of all the posts, a grand total of 5% proved worth reading at all.>>

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WinSock Remailer Now Operating Normally
by Joey Grasty 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:33 PM 12/30/96 -0800, Ross Wright wrote: >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. May's >offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. His comments were not "offensive, racist, and bigoted." They were funny, intentionally so. The whole "Ebonics" issue is a hilarious example of political-correctness gone mad. Interestingly, Jesse Jackson tried to make it look like the blacks were the victims, the ones most offended by the actions of the Oakland schools people. Embarrassed, maybe, victims no. (A friend of mine greatly prefers the term, "Niglish." I try hard to not be so...coarse.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: Crypto reg clarification from Commerce Department
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

These make more sense with the following modifications to the clarification: (c) Definition of U.S. person. For purposes of this section, the term U.S. person includes: (1) Any retard who is a citizen of the United States, a permanent resident alien from Planet X, or a protected person formerly-known-as-criminal as defined by 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3); (2) Any juridical organization under surveillance by the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States, including foreign branches; and (3) Any Borgs in the United States. .. Blanc

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by rvrcp＠ocsnet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some peckerhead soiled my mailbox with: >This is the message I got in response to my post regarding Mr. May's >offensive, racist, and bigoted post about ebonics. I have made >overtures towards peace and tried to explain that I thought that the >Doctor's verbal slapping was not as bad as it seemed, maybe even he >deserved it!. He refuses to answer. He's just a pussy, I guess. >Like's to make terroristic threats. To Nam vets, yet. Ballsy, Tim! Thank you for playing, Mr. Grubor. Please pick up your consolation prize at the door marked "Out." And stop passing Dimbulb the mailing list messages -- you know it makes the tumors in his head kick in. >I would rather have discussed this with you in private e-mail, or >over a few beers, but you refuse to answer my e-mail. Maybe he has you filtered, as the rest of us will now. *plonk* (I'd prob'ly buy him the hollowpoints, btw.)

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RE: Just another government fuckover: New crypto regulations
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Toto Why is it that governments always seem to be so self-congratulatory about allowing the citizens to be 'free' to do those things that the government 'allows' them to do? ..................................................... Not to start a thread specifically on government bashing, but Toto' statement is so on-target about the kind of attitude which emanates from what regulators say and do. It is their underlying assumption that only they have the moral discernment to determine the parameters of propriety; which makes them think that no 'underling' has the right of self-determination. It can be seen in statements they make such as as: "there are no provisions in Super Legislation Bill 200A.666.b.32xy.450z for individual exemptions from voluntary contribution". (well, excuse Me! <g>) So this means that an individual can feel "free" to act only when these people feel magnanimously generous enough to allow it. No reference to Reason or Logic in the way things work in Reality, only that an action is inhibited or allowed "because this piece of paper says so". Therefore from their perspective and their re-definition of "person", Human Motivation derives its validity solely from their "provisions" for it. All other determining factors are Prohibited by Law. How can you argue with that? .. Blanc >

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 19:52, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > On Mon, 30 Dec 1996, Ross Wright wrote: > > > Be that as it may, it is still no call for threats of gunplay! > > That is NOT funny. I take such things very seriously. > > So let me see if I've got this right. Threatening to slap > someone is okay, I said "he deserves a slapping". I never volunteered to carry that out. And, furthermore, I meant a verbal slapping, something akin to what is already happening with the good Doctor's attacks. Sorry about the metaphor. God damn, must I overstate the obvious? What pissed me off is: After I received this letter I sent several olive branches. No reply. No discussion. Just leave it with his weapon drawn? On my open and empty hand!? That's not me. > but threatening to defend one's self from such an > attack is not okay? Interesting. I guess the old saying still > applies, "the essence of humor is WHOSE ox is being gored." > > > S a n d y =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Re: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 30 Dec 96 at 22:24, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > And Tim never threatened Ross. He merely posited an "if, than" > response to a hypothetical assault. If Ross does no slapping, Tim > won't shoot him. QED. No reason to get bent out of shape. Thanks. You are correct. I'm done with this thread. Tim *Plonked* me, not shot me. And now back to you, Dr. V.... Ross =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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RE: (Fwd) Re: Mr. May's Posts. Other Things.
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Ross Wright Yes, part of that "higher standard" is to keep your fucking mouth shut about that piece in your sholder holster. Those that brag that they are packing and won't hesitate to use it are usually those that freeze under fire or snap at the workplace. ............................................................. Discussing self-defense equipment to carry... Student: "How about earplugs?" Instructor: "We've thought about that as an intimidation tool. Some guy is hassling you on the street and you start putting your ear plugs in. The guy says, 'What are you doing?' You say, 'It looks like I'm going to be doing some shooting here pretty soon and I don't want to hurt my ears.'" -Greg Hamilton- Self Defense Instructor Nov. 19, 1995 In cyberspace, elimination is accomplished with "delete" keys and "kill files", right? (L.Detweiler used to complain about how many cyberdeaths he had experienced.) Outta sight, outta mind... .. Blanc

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