December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

radikal: raid in the netherlands
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PRESS-DECLARATION 14-12-96 After the German authorities tried to force their censorship on people's thoughts and writings worldwide on the Internet, Germany now tries to prosecute a person who lives in the Netherlands for the making of the left-wing newspaper Radikal. In the morning of the 11th of December there was a houseraid in the village of Vaals (The Netherlands). In the raid ten local police-officers, a high officer from the Maastricht-court, two LKA (Landes Kriminal Ambt) German officers and two BKA (Bundes Kriminal Ambt) German officers took place. The 16 German and Dutch officers forced themselves into the house with the help of a lock specialist. The only person at home during the raid only noticed it after some time when the room next to her was already being searched. The german and dutch police refuged to explain the reason for this raid. German autorities refered to the dutch ones for explanations and the other way around. It was only after insisting that they explained the search warrant came from the german authorities in Karlsruhe. During the two hour raid two personal computers, floppy-discs, foto's, a pamflet and some Radikal stickers were seized. During this whole operation it was not clear against who or what this action was aimed and why this house was searched. It only became clear after the raid when another person came home from his work and phoned his mother in Aachen (Germany). At his mothers house there was also a house raid going on, nothing was taken there. At this house-raid six LKA officers took part and in a paper they declaired to have reasons for this raid because of evidence found in the raid in Vaals. "During the raid at the suspect's house evidence was found (...) that show the suspect (...) is using the house of his mother as well". This evidence consisted of his mother's car papers. The declaration paper alsow showed the purpose of the raid: " The search for Radikal publications, subscribers lists and financial information". The suspect is being charged with the making and distributing of the left wing newspaper Radikal. A newspaper that is forbidden only in Germany . The supposed involvement with a political magazine, forbidden in Germany, apparently is enough for the Dutch authorities to work for the German juridical apparatus. This means that the German idea of law and order concerning magazines leads to the joint persecution of a Spanish citizen living in the Netherlands. Although the magazine is entirely legal in the Netherlands. The dimension of the German-Dutch cooperation within the framework of the new "European Security Policy" is shown here in a very clear way. It shows that an attempt is made to completely redefine the persecution, across all borders, of politically unwanted people. Solidaritygroup Political Prisoners P/o box 3762 1001 AN Amsterdam The Nertherlands <tank(a)xs4all.nl>

1 0

Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

1 0

Re: Redlining
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:32 AM 12/12/96 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: >> >(Those who don't believe me should get "Love Supreme" by John Coltrane >> >and listen to it carefully about 20 times. There are layers and Just for the record, I didn't say this. I believe it was Red. The thread has become so convoluted that I am only sure it wasnt me. ;-) Matt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMrLSibpijqL8wiT1AQHEoQP/f+G82ePBn6dlm7jgiaYZTalSm2xMAYEd S/wExEh86p0knbt4+fMmREQGR7PXyNJPyDknqSEkmyTh38QfwBwsuF20zEiUM4I2 gXR8e2zeuW1kB1L51PacusxSoAqR7FqIb2euwTlZ+K3GnZVpFPZmdZn03GaTGsvC yVfTehKEE2w= =QcKO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

1 0

Re: Firewalls
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The only `culture' Timothy May possesses is that cultivated from his foreskin scrapings. )_( [@ @] Timothy May |/ \| \O/

1 0

Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

1 0

Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

1 0

Re: ITARs effects
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack wrote: >Peter D. Junger wrote: >| That has always been the position of the Department of Defense Trade >| Controls with respect to the ITAR, the only difference is that now >| it is going to be in writing. > >My understanding is that they choose not to continue >prosecuting Phil for putting the code up for FTP. Thus, this is >a change. Or did Phil not put the code up for FTP? --------- What was never certain in Phil's case, I believe, is how the code got out of the US. Whether it was deliberately sent outside the US by someone, or just made available on a US site which was accessible from outside the US. The TIA lawyer who wrote me about TR453 indicated that there has been legal dispute about whether mere placement of ITAR-regulated code on a US site, accessible from outside the US, means that the code has been exported by the person placing it there (as I did with the CAVE code on an AOL server in Virginia), or whether the export is done by an accessor who is usually not be subject to US law. The new regs intend to close that loophole, as Peter Junger states, and as the TIA lawyer also indicated, that is, to codify the illegality of putting such code on a site accessible from "outside" the US, or by a "non-US person" inside the US. Heretofore, regulation has been by jaw-boning (as the TIA lawyer jaw-boned me about copyright villation of the uncopyrighted TR453). This is the point about two definitions of geography in conflict -- physical and electronic -- and how state-oriented law is attempting to assert control of the cyber-dissolving national borders. Similar to the struggle over electronic dissolution of intellectual property. As a speaker noted in a recent Congressional crypto hearing: government- aggressive law of cyberspace aims to define a nation's borders well beyond physical territory. As similarly argued against allowing "non-US persons" to study regulated crypto in Professor Junger's class. As others have noted here, other loopholes of by electronic reality are being closed by the new regs, even if First Amendment transgression follows. But I'm not sure that the lawyers are not condemned to trail the leading edge of technology, as ever -- in crypto-munitions as in First Amendment and intellectual property betrayals, misrepresentations and rear guard actions. Reading the new crypto export regs and comparing them to earlier incarnations is instructive. Observe those insertions of bits and bytes of contortinate intellectual labor -- never quite able to get the legilation to fit all the looming permutations of technology -- unable, that is, to stitch the wounds of the stumbling, flailing superpower, unsure where the foe is located who is mortally undermining faith in the physical prowess of the keepers of the privileges. Those vaunted inside secrets of nuclear-munitioned cops don't sell so well these days when the donut-dippers cannot be sure how to distinguish insiders from outsiders, and whose really in control of the armaments keys of keys. Whole lot of shifting of alliances going on, from State to Commerce, or so I read in the quagmire regs.

1 0

NYC Area Cypherpunks meeting
by Marc J. Wohler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The NewYork City area Cypherpunks will meet on the UpperWest Side of Manhattan. Date: Thursday 12/19/96 Time: 7:30 PM Place: The Club. Park Royal Hotel, 23 West 73rd Street. Between Columbus & Amsterdam Avenue. Subway stops: 72nd & Broadway #1 #9 #2 #3 (express stop) 72nd & Central Park West A or D trains Refreshments: BYOB & snacks. We can order out for dinner. All our welcome but please email me your intention to attend (if you have not already done so.) Marc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMqsDk2eikzgqLB7pAQHxFgP9FbdXYo4qiubH9zBFW+CdQb5LZVxKAhWB EwfV+2EquVT94dokYMN9P0n26ZIozJejpXf44QLLgNPvWHqHB8Wult/U7zyVeVid 1YVRftVFnxPlBjkabH5yGR8efP7L2i5Ynh5X8I0jFy9G8Wfilxsg8QT8r+eYtDWB g/b4Wpr0/0w= =CIyV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

1 0

Chek it out
by Zer0.Faith.Inc.＠website.chek.it.out 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/2608 It's Kool, but still under construction.

1 0