December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: A vote of confidence for Sandy
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:14 PM 1/10/97 -0500, Ray Arachelian wrote: >Sandfort isn't the only one who will do this, there will be a pool of >moderators. Regardless of your personality conflict, I am sure that Sandy >will remain fair and allow appropriate posts from you through. i.e. >anything to do with crypto. :) Just for the record, I have volunteered to serve as a co-moderator. I do not know at this time if my services will be required. I am certain that I would not enjoy this job. I have better things to do than moderate Cypherpunks. But as a long time subscriber, I care about the list. I see only one alternative to moderating Cypherpunks. And that is shutting it down to let other lists pick up the various parts of the discussion. Hard core crypto can go to Coderpunks, crypto and politics can go to Cryptography. The drivel and whining can go to hell. I am willing to give the moderation experiment a chance. If it doesn't work, I will advocate shutting down the list. As with every TAZ that stays up for too long, Cypherpunks eventually got infested by vermin. Vulis, aga, et al. come to mind. In my experience, once that happens there is only one solution: take down the TAZ and start over somewhere else. The problem is always the same: the belief that "anarchy" means that you have to tolerate people shitting on everybody's floor. Anarchy means no such thing. [Since I filter on Vulis and aga in the body text of all incoming email, I am unlikely to read any replies to this post. Of course, if I was to serve as a co-moderator, I would read all messages and decide on them individually.] Thanks, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Comments on moderation
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been reading the comments on moderation and I have a few comments on it... I would like to see moderation, but only for those things that filters cannot handle effectivly. 1) The Spam that has been flooding the list. It looks like someone has an axe to grind against the list or certain people on it, so they are doing their best to disrupt it. The spam is only part of that attack. It should be dealt with as any other denial of service attack. 2) The anonymous flames against Tim May (or anyone else for that matter...). These messages contain no useful content. They only serve to allow certain overgrown juviniles to vent against people they dislike. Killing the above would greatly improve the quality of the list. The rest can be killed by filters. As for the people who are crying "censor", I have seen little evidence that the doom they predict is going to happen. (I think that they revel in the idea that they are the "persecuted masses" who are being hassled by "the man".) I have been on this list for a number of years. (Since at least 1994, maybe earlier than that...) Sandy has been one of the more rational voice on the list in that time and he has been here longer than I have. (I have not always agreed with him, but then again, I can think of no one that I would agree with 100%. Even myself...) Hopefully the criteria used for moderation will not be so heavy handed that the list becomes bland and tasteless (like a high school textbook from Texas). Just my $0.00002 worth... --- | If you're not part of the solution, You're part of the precipitate. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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subscription request to mailing list
by donaldo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: A vote of confidence for Sandy
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:16 PM 1/10/97 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: >At 8:19 PM -0800 1/10/97, Lucky Green wrote: >>Just for the record, I have volunteered to serve as a co-moderator. I do >>not know at this time if my services will be required. I am certain that I >>would not enjoy this job. I have better things to do than moderate >>Cypherpunks. But as a long time subscriber, I care about the list. > >AMEN (as a short time subscriber). > >If you need me as a moderator (if you need me, you are getting very >desperate), I will help. However, I am going out of the country in two >weeks not to return until March 9, so stepping forward now is a bit silly. > >Let me rant a bit about the "ideal" moderation structure. Igor Chudov's >software lets people like Matt Blase and Bruce Schneier post whatever they >want. (I would add people like Black Unicorn as well. YMMV) Yes. Igor's STUMP software seems like the way to go. The vast majority of posters to this list are not a problem. Discussions amongst them may get heated, but they have basic human decency and never even come close to the level of abuse and bigotry we have seen from Vulis, aga, et al. Igor claims that on lists moderated by STUMP, 95% of the people are pre-approved. I believe it. Because 95% of the posters are not a problem. It is a small part of the other 5% that fuck things up. I second Sandy and John's proposal to moderate Cypherpunks. I propose we use Igor's STUMP software for this purpose, iff it performs as claimed. [Does STUMP have a web interface?] Thanks, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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17 Dec '03

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But then money kept coming in...tripling in numbers and multiplying by 10 nad 20 times the amount that I got the first week! In my first week I made about $20 or $30 . But by the end of the second week, I had made a total of over $1,000!! In the third week, I had over $10,000, and it's still growing. This is my fourth week and I've made about $42,000 TOTAL...and the money is still coming in. Sincerely yours, John Gilmore INSTRUCTIONS Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. This program has remained successful because of the HONESTY and integrety of the participants. Please continue its success by CAREFULLY ADHERING to the instructions. Welcome to the world of Public Key Cryptography! This little business is somewhat different than most mail order houses. Your product is not solid and tangible, but rather a service. You are in the business of escrowing Public Keys. Many government agencies are happy to pay big bucks for public keys. (The money made from the key escrow is secondary to the income which is made from people like yourself requesting that their keys be escrowed.) 1. First, you must obtain the program called PGP. These FTP sites have it: ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/crypt/pgp/ ftp://ftp.cert.dfn.de/pub/pgp/ ftp://idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it/pub/security/crypt/PGP ftp://ftp.nl.net/pub/crypto/pgp ftp://ftp.nic.surfnet.nl/surfnet/net-security/encryption/pgp ftp://menja.ifi.uio.no/pub/pgp/ ftp://ftphost.vuw.ac.nz ftp://leif.thep.lu.se ftp://nctuccca.edu.tw/PC/wuarchive/pgp/ ftp://sable.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/pgp/ If you have access to email, but not to ftp, send a message saying "help" to ftpmail(a)decwrl.dec.com or mailserv(a)nic.funet.fi 2. Now you must install PGP as described in its documentation and run the PGP key generation command "pgp -kg". PGP shows you a menu of key sizes. Pick the biggest one available. It also asks for a user ID, which means your name and e-mail address. Spaces and punctuation are allowed in the user ID. It would help if you put your E-mail address in <angle brackets> after your name, like so: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> PGP also asks for a "pass phrase" to protect your secret key in case it falls into the wrong hands. Nobody can use your secret key file without this pass phrase. The pass phrase is like a password, except that it can be a whole phrase or sentence with many words, spaces, punctuation, or anything else you want in it. Don't lose this pass phrase-- there's no way to recover it if you do lose it. This pass phrase will be needed later every time you use your secret key. The pass phrase is case-sensitive, and should not be too short or easy to guess. It is never displayed on the screen. Don't leave it written down anywhere where someone else can see it, and don't store it on your computer. 3. Now use the "pgp -kxa userid keyfile" command to copy your new public key from your public key ring and place it in a separate public key file suitable for distribution to your friends for escrow and inclusion in their public key rings. 4. Invest your $5 by writing your name and e-mail address on five separate pieces of paper along with the words, "Please escrow my PGP key. You are number __", and a copy of the keyfile. In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone. Key escrow is a legitimate service that you are requesting and you are paying $5.00 for this service. Fold a $1 bill (or a loonie), money order, or bank note inside each piece of paper that you just wrote on and fold the piece of paper so the bill will not be seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like to steal mail with money in it will get yours!) and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the five addresses listed below. #1 John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com>, P.O.Box 170608, San Francisco, CA 94117, 415-221-6524 #2 Timothy C. May <tcmay(a)got.net>, 427 Allan Lane, Corralitos, CA 408-728-0152. #3 Ray Arachelian <ray(a)earthweb.com>, 48-21 40th St, Apt 2B, Long Island City, NY 11104-4111, 718-786-4227 #4 Alan Bostick <abostick(a)netcom.com>, 680 66 St., Oakland, CA 94609, 510-658-7176 #5 Jason Durbin <jed(a)poisson.com>, 8 Avocet Drive, #211, Redwood Shores, CA 94065, 415-637-0435 5. Remove the name that appears as number 1 on the list. Move the other 4 names up one position (Number 2 becomes number 1, number 3 becomes number 2, and so on). Place your name, address, zip code, and e-mail address in the number 5 position. 6. With your name in the number 5 position, upload this ENTIRE amended file to at least 250 different Usenet newsgroups. I'm told that there are close to 30,000 of them, and all you need is 250 or so. Use the subject header to draw attention to this file and its great potential for all of us. See Netscape and Internet Explorer instructions below. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember: the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! 7. Sit back and relax. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. HOW TO POST TO USENET: If you use Netscape Navigator 3.0, do exactly the following: A) Highlight all newsgroups you want to mail your letter to which as you know is done by holding down CTRL while left clicking. This way you can select multiple newsgroups in one go, choose perhaps a dozen each time. You will then see all the newsgroups you highlighted displayed in the Newsgroups Field. Then click on "TO NEWS" which is on the far left when you're in the newsgroup page. This will bring up a box to type a message. B) Leave the "Newsgroups" box like it is. CHANGE the "Subject:" box to something eye-catching like "NEED CASH $$$ READ HERE $$$" or "FAST CASH!!" or "$$$ PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY AND MAKE MONEY FAST $$$" C) Tab once and you should be ready to type. Now, paste (only once) this entire article, word for word, except to insert your name at #5 and to remove #1 off the list, plus any other small changes you think you need to make. Keep almost all of it the same however. It works!!! D) If you still have all of your text, send or post to this newsgroups now by just clicking the "SEND" button (just below the "FILE" dropdown menu and just above the CC: button) E) Here's where you're going to post to 250 or more, newsgroups. OK... click on any newsgroup then click on "TO NEWS".. again, in the top left corner of your screen. Leave the newsgroups box alone again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT BOX, hit TAB once and you're in the body of the message. Now paste this article again. If you use Microsoft Internet Explorer, it's just as easy: Holding down the left mouse button, highlight this article. Then press the "CTRL" key and the "C" key at the same time to copy the article. Or, go to the EDIT dropdown menu and select COPY. Next, go to the newsgroups and press "POST AN ARTICLE". A window will open. Type in your flashy headline in the SUBJECT area and then click in the large window below. Press "CTRL" and then "V" and the article will be pasted in the window. (Or, go to EDIT and then PASTE.) If you want to edit the article, you can do so and then highlight and copy it again (so your edited article will be copied again and again to each newsgroup). Now, every time you post the article in a new newsgroup all you have to repeat is "CTRL" and "V" and press POST. F) That's it! Each time you do this, all you have to do is choose a different newsgroup so you can post this message to 250 or more, DIFFERENT, newsgroups. I know, I know,... you've still got 249 to go! Don't worry, each successive article will only take about 30 SECONDS once you get the hang of it. Remember, 250 is the MINIMUM ... The more you post, the more money you will make! Repeat the process over and over again by selecting further newsgroups in multiples of 10's but try to be selective with the groups by posting to high volume locations, and don't choose a subject that appears TOO flashy, this will only put people off. This is an honest and legitimate way of making a reasonable amount of money, and making it on a regular basis. But only if your message is sincere and clearly understood by others will you succeed. You are now in the key escrow business and will start receiving your $1 envelopes from various people all over the world within days. REMEMBER... The more newsgroups you post to, the more money you will make! You may want to rent a P.0. Box eventually because of all the mail. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can come up with a name, such as "Manager" or "Investor" ... Just make sure all the address that you have typed in for the 4 people plus yourself are correct, PLEASE. Now here is how and why this public key escrow system works: The Internet is growing daily at a phenomenal rate, quadrupling once a year. Perhaps you already know this. With millions of people surfing the Internet and an estimated 100,000 users scanning the newsgroups of which there are nearly 30,000. This exposure is the key factor and the reason why: You me and all those who take part cannot fail not to be disappointed. Just think about it, if you became interested in this article, why shouldn't thousands of others! At first, I posted to nearly 250 newsgroups, but due to the response soon increased this to 300, which brought in mail from Europe the Far east, Australia and America. So with my first dozen replies I made $12.00. But to simplify matters and keep the arithmetic easy, suppose I had posted to 200 newsgroups with my name at five and just had five replies which would have meant I earned $5.00. In theory you make $5.00 for every two hundred postings with your name at #5. Each person who sent you a $1.00 now also makes two hundred postings with your name at four equating to $50.00. Your fifty new agents also make two hundred postings each with your name at three, say ten thousand postings equating to $500.00. These five hundred agents again make two hundred postings each with your name at two equating to $10.000 or one hundred thousand postings. Finally, five thousand people once again make two hundred postings with your name at one and this would equate to the mathematical statistic of $50.000 before your name drops off the list. Which is pretty exciting and mind boggling considering these figures are based on only two hundred postings at a time being made down the line! Most people may think these figures are ridiculous, but they do add up. After all they do say the success of the Internet is due to it's sheer capacity of over 40 million. Technically, you only need an average return of 2.5% from the 200 postings that each person makes in order to achieve these high figures. So with the Internet comprising of 40 million user's the sky really is the limit!!! It's a never ending money making process because when your name finally drops off the list, or indeed before if you really need the cash (and who doesn't) you simply access another newsgroup posting and begin the process over again, placing your name at Five. Please remember to upload this article to as many newsgroups, local bulletin boards, message areas and file sections as possible. The financial rewards are guaranteed, but as stated, the level of success depends upon your efforts! And how much posting you do. This posting has been appearing for quite some time and has now literally got thousands of people actively involved. No doubt like me, you may have seen it before and become a little confused by the way it's been explained. However, I personally have never believed in a so called "Free lunch" and have always worked hard to support my family. But this idea is so simple involving only a modest $5.00 investment that I simply had to try it. At first, it took me quite a while to figure it out - my first impressions led me to believe that there must be someone behind it who alone is benefiting. But this isn't so, you only have to look at the various postings to realise this; the thousands of postings that are made all carry different names and addresses. So with so many people involved I became convinced that with this particular program I too could benefit. Although many of the postings have been modified the basic principal remains the same, in my opinion the only problem has been the way the initial concept has been repeatedly changed. With this in mind I have set out to explain what I consider to be a clearer version, in the hope there is no doubt in people's minds that it's fully understood. Because believe me, this system does work! In general, these postings lead you to believe you can make $50,000 within a month, which I think is a little over the top. But now ten days after my initial involvement, I'm beginning to get a reasonable and realistic return with a further understanding of just how big this concept is. I still cannot believe it - the money is coming in from all over the world. That money sure comes in useful, but what's more important is the fact I have proved this is a totally workable and legitimate system involving no risk and no major cash outlay. My other concern was the legal aspect, so I checked this through and was told that providing I mail one dollar to the person I am asking to escrow my PGP key, I am in fact paying for a service. As a personal note: The above figures are for demonstration purposes only with the whole concept and current success based upon the number of people participating. And the number of newsgroups and file sections you post this article to. Yes, it really depends on you the individual! How much money you want to make rests in your hands. Accessing newsgroups is very easy considering there are nearly 30,000 to choose from. Your success rate is determined by the amount of newsgroups accessed, you must follow through and post this or your own similar article to hundreds of newsgroups; maximise your postings and you maximise your cash intake. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So that's it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. People have said, "What if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money?" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are TONS of NEW honest users and NEW honest people who are joining the Internet and newsgroups every day and are willing to give it a try? Estimate are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, EVERYDAY, with thousands of those joining the actual Internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this WILL WORK... I promise you. You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW (if it's not done yet). Also... try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. PLEASE NOTE: This system is based on everyone being honest, but it's all too tempting not to bother mailing out envelopes with dollar bills inside. The success for all participating is dependant upon this taking place and if carried out will mean a 500% increase on your article being redistributed! The system won't work to yours or indeed other people's advantage if you don't follow the procedure. You can however, if you wish to remain anonymous use a pseudonym - but please ensure your address is correct. AS A FINAL NOTE: Many business ideas for making money, no matter how well thought out and implemented simply don't get off the ground. And in most cases is due to advertising costs, but the exposure obtained through the Internet is quite honestly - pretty awesome, so please study this article carefully taking all the time you want, because the moment you begin participating you will be on track for some serious financial rewards. By the very nature of the way the system works you may not see the benefits the first week. BUT COMMENCING THE SECOND WEEK, YOUR INTAKE OF MAIL FROM AROUND THE WORLD WILL TRULY ASTONISH YOU! Please give this some serious thought, because this is one of the few money making schemes that really does work... GOOD LUCK!!! REMEMBER... HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY... YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE MONEY!! Good luck to all and please play fairly and you will reap hugh rewards from this! By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name on the list and not sending the money to the people already on the list, YOU WILL NOT GET MUCH RETURN! Someone I talked to (mean and cheap) just did that and he only made $150 after 7 to 8 weeks!! Then he sent the five $1 bills out... people added him to their lists ... and in 5 weeks, he had OVER $10,000! He than realize that there is no way to cheat with himself. THIS IS THE FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD WITHOUT COATING ANYTHING BUT FIVE DOLLARS AND A LITTLE OF YOUR TIME! DO IT LIKE IT'S LAID OUT HERE... IT WILL WORK!! Within 60 days you will receive over $50,000.00 in CASH. Keep a copy of this file for yourself so that you can use it again and again whenever you need money. As soon as you mail out these letters you are automatically in the mail order business. People will be sending YOU $5.00 to escrow their PGP keys. This is a service. ** IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL ** If you have any doubts as to the legality of this service, please refer to Title 18, Sections 1302 and 1341 of the Postal Lottery Laws. NOTE: Make sure that you retain EVERY name, address, and PGP key sent to you, either on computer or hard copy, but do not discard the names and notes that people send to you. This is PROOF that you are truly providing a service, and should the I.R.S. or some other government agency question you, you can provide them with this proof! Remember, as each post is downloaded and the instructions carefully followed, two memebers will be reimbursed for their participation as a List Developer with $5.00 each. Your name will move up the list geometrically so that when your name reaches the number 2 position you will be receiving thousands of dollars in cash. REMEMBER - THIS PROGRAM FAILS ONLY IF YOU ARE NOT HONEST - PLEASE!! PLEASE BE HONORABLE...IT DOES WORK! THANK YOU Testimonials from satisfied PGP users: Hey.... I'm one of the people who downloaded PGP a while ago, and I've made quite a profit...not 50,000 dollars, but TONS more than the 5 bucks I sent in. It might take more than 60 days to get 50,000, but I think I can wait. Zach Babayco ANOTHER ADDITION BY A PARTICIPATING MEMBER PLEASE just try this and do it right it's only 5 dollars and its legal, but DON'T try to cheat the system or you are cheating yourself! WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE, A MAXIMUM OF ```5$ !JUST TRY IT! SPREAD IT EVERYWHERE, THE MORE YOU SPREAD THE MORE YOU MAKE! ****************************************************************** *** ANOTHER ADDITION BY -=XxX=- ********************************** ****************************************************************** THIS WORKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM PROOF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT...!!!!!!!!!! ***************************************************************************** THIS IS REAL AND LEGAL. AND IF U DO NOT FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS EXACTLY AND DO NOT RECIEVE ANY OR LITTLE MONEY. DO NOT BLAME IT ON THE MAILING LIST NAMES. JUST INCLUDE YOUR NAME OR WHERE U GOT THIS TEXT FILE FROM EXAMPLE AMERICA ON LINE ETC... ALSO THE NAMES ON THIS LIST HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IF YOU GET YOUR MONEY OR NOT. IT IS GUARANTEED YES THAT YOU WILL GET YOUR MONEY BUT THIS PROTECTS ALL NAMES ON THIS TEXT FILE. AND JUST REMEMBER IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT YOU READ THE DIRECTIONS WRONG AND DID NOT RECIEVE ALL YOUR MONEY. IF U DID NOT SEND IN ONE DOLLAR TO EACH 5 NAMES THAT WILL MAKE IT SO YOU WILL NOT GET MONEY SO FOLLOW AND FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!! AND PROMISED 50,000 DOLLARS WILL COME!!!!!!!! Timothy C. May This system works equally well if mailed out manually. Mind you it takes more effort to hand address the envelopes and the cost goes up proportionately to cover the postage and envelopes. You must also photo copy the instructions, cross out the name in number one position, write in your name in the number ten slot and change the rest of the numbers accordingly. (It might be neater to use white out or paste over the names.) In order to achieve the same results you must send out the $1.00 to the first five names and then send out another 100 letters with copies of the program enclosed. It has been suggested not to put a return address on the outside of the envelope in order to encourage the recipient to open it. The return will approximate that then received from the posts listed on the bulletin boards. OK HERE'S THE DEAL. AT PRESENT I AM A BUSINESS MAJOR AT VANDERBILT AND THIS PROGRAM MAKES A WORLD OF SENSE TO ME. I RECENTLY READ ABOUT A GUY THAT TOOK A PENNY FROM EVERY PERSON'S BANK ACCOUNT AT THE NEW YORK CITY BANK. AFTER 2 YEARS OF DOING THIS ILLEGALY HE BECAME A MILLIONAIRE. BUT GOT GREEDY AND GOT CAUGHT. SAME PRINCIPLE HERE. TAKE A DOLLAR FROM EVERYONE WHO GETS THIS AND ALTHOUGH THEIR GIVING PRACTICALLY NOTHING, THE RECEIVER IS GETTING LOTS. SORTA THE HUMANE THING TO DO. IF YOU COULD GIVE A GUY A BUCK AND HELP HIM HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY OFF A DEBT OR SAVE MONEY FOR RETIREMENT WHY NOT? THEN AFTER YOU SEND A DOLLAR JUST MANIPULATE THIS FILE LIKE IT STATES ABOVE AND PEOPLE WILL BE HELPING YOU OUT TOO. MY DAD TAUGHT BE TO BE CAREFUL OF THINGS THAT SOUND TO GOOD TO BE TRUE CAUSE THEY USUALLY ARE BUT WHAT CAN YOU LOSE BY GIVING $5!!! YOU HAVE ALL TO WIN AND NOTHING TO LOSE. L8R Hi all, I will not say my name, as I wish to remain anonymous, but I have something to say. IT WORKS. I am THE most sceptical person on the face of the earth. I saw this, and say _-=BS=-_..no way...impossible..then my friend told me he did it.. he said he made about 50 bucks..I said no way..he proved it to me.. I decided, what the hell...I sent out my 5 bucks, and Sent this thing to about a 400 people, not to BBS's, just E-mail. 3 weeks went by, and I FINALLY got ONE dollar in the mail. It has been about 3 months since that day I got my first dollar, and now every day when I go to get my mail, there are about 3 dollar bills in my box waiting for me. I have made almost 300 dollars. I dunno about that guy and his 50 thous., but if someone offered you 300 dollars for FREE, would you take it? Do this guys...it WORKS!!! Jason Durbin Hey guys, I am #5. I just got this a few days ago as an e-mail. Over my life I have received over 50 e-mails just like this, which I avoided. Finally I am gonna give it a shot. If it works, great, but if it doesn't than oh well. Its only 5 bucks guys. That's it. And forwarding this to everyone you know, and U/Load it to Newsgroups and BBS's. So far, I have sent this to over 2000 people on the net, including BBS's, Newgroups, IRC, and America Online. The more copies you send out, the more of a chance you have of getting money in the mail. You guys may not $50,000 heh ehh. I doubt anyone can. They all just say that to get your attention. But possibly you could get at least $500. But hey, if someone offerd you $500 would you take it? Of cource would. All it is, is just 5 dollars. That's it. Send a dollar each to each address listed below. Include your name, address, e-mail address, and where you got "FASTCASH.TXT" from. Just give it a shot guys. Its perfectly legal, I know that cause a few of my friends did and they together all made about $750. heh heh, the IRS is not gonna come knocking on your door or the FBI or any other government agency. Those are all rumors from people who were unsuccessful at doing this. HONESTY COUNTS. Once you've sent the dollar to someone you are added to their mailing list. Just give it a shot guys. Its only $5. What do else are you gonna do. Just be patient for your money to arrive. Its not all gonna come the day you send the 5 bucks. It may take 2 or 3 weeks for the money to role in. Then for the next 2 months, everyday you will be receiving letters with dollar bills in your mailbox. Alan Bostick 10-20-96 Hi I have found that the best way to do this is to use the news part of Netscape 3.0. All you have to do is click on "To News" in the upper lefthand corner. Copy this article to your clipboard, if you are using windows, then go into your clipboard while you still have the News box open. Edit the artile as necessary and then select edit "copy". Next go back to your News box and select edit "paste" and you will find that the article is posted in the box with all the necessary changes. Put a flashy subject in the subject box to attract attention, then you can send it to a newsgroup and your on your way to make big bucks. ********************************************************** *** REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T *** *** NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE MONEY! *** *** GOOD LUCK TO ALL,AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL *** *** WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** **********************************************************

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ElGamal
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The arrival of warm weather is heralded by the pig shit (or whatever kind of shit Intel swines have for brains) getting soft in Timothy C[unt] May's mini-cranium and the resulting green slime seeping through his cocaine- and syphilis- damaged nose and onto his keyboard. )_( [@ @] Timothy C[unt] May |/ \| \O/

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Einstein's Dreams
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As the city melts through fog and the night, one sees a strange sight. Here an old bridge is half-finished. There, a house has been removed from its foundations. Here, a street veers east for no obvious reason. ...This is a world of changed plans, of sudden opportunities, of unexpected visions. For in this world, time flows not evenly but fitfully and, as consequence, people receive fitful glimpses of the future. -excerpt from "Einstein's Dreams" by Alan Lightman In 1989, Bill Gates was just another player in the wonderful world of computers. Phil Zimmerman was a wanna-be cryptographer. And CypherPunks were merely a fitful glimpse of the future. In 1989 a document began quietly circulating in certain computer circles--a document which whispered of fitful glimpses of the future. The future of Bill Gates; the future of Phil Zimmerman; the future of the CypherPunks. The document has, over the years, submerged for a time, and then surfaced in different places. Whenever and wherever it surfaces, strange things happen. Strange things for which there is always a perfectly 'normal' explaination. Strange things which one sees as normal unless, by chance, they should happen to notice that somehow, in some subtle way, the flow of time has changed. A few weeks ago, a single copy of this document surfaced in the possession of one of the Cypherpunks and, shortly thereafter, Dr. DV K was officially unSCUMscribed from this list. Less than two weeks ago, a copy of this document was acquired by a second member of the CypherPunks and, shortly thereafter, it was announced that the list will now be 'moderated'. Coincidence? It is a 'coincidence' that I have seen, time and again, in connection with this manuscript. You may think that this missive is a lark, or some kind of scam, or for the feeble-minded. I don't ask that you take what I say seriously, only that you remember that the Tao doesn't shout, it whispers. I have included, below, a warning that has circulated in regard to the document which has preceded it in its undergroud passage since the date of its inception, in 1989. Anyone who, after reading the warning, wishes to receive the document can notify me via private email, and I will see to it that you receive a copy. Toto WARNING! "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" Is A Very Dangerous Document ------------------------------------------------------------------- It is reputed among many of the top minds in the Computer Industry to be a very real, and revealing, documentary of some of the horrors of the Industry which are sometimes rumored, but seldom exposed. But be warned-they say it in private, not in public. Though management at the major Corporations in the Industry brush aside the document as the mad ramblings of an unstable, failed business executive, the fact remains that there are more and more people coming forward who claim to have suffered demotions or loss of employment after deliberately or inadvertently revealing their support of the document's claims and it's authenticity. If you choose to read this manuscript, do not speak of it in casual conversation at your place of employment, or around strangers in any business or social environment. Though it is almost impossible to document cases of reprisal of this nature, the increasing numbers of ex-employees of major Corporations in the Computer Industry making these claims, and the devastating consequences they allege to their professional and private lives, make it wise to be discreet in expressing any opinion, or even knowledge, of this document. If you choose to share this document with others, it would be wise to do so discreetly, even anonymously, should you be unsure of the reliability and discretion of whomever you choose to share this knowledge with. Though I personally lean toward viewing the manuscript as authentic, my exhaustive research into it's origin has always come to a dead-end, even among the principals involved. C.J. Parker, former President of Pearl Harbor Computers, Inc., denied emphatically, in a face-to-face encounter, having anything whatsoever to do with the document. When I pressed him with questions regarding the hasty demise of his business and the unraveling of his personal life after the public circulation of "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" began, he became very agitated and distraught, bordering on violence, and the interview was abruptly terminated. Dr. William M. Denney, one of the few principals in the manuscript referred to directly, was reluctant to be interviewed, but eventually made a few comments which I found to be very revealing. Dr. Denney, Vice-President of Basis, Inc. in Emmeryville, Ca., consistently rated as one of the top ten Unix Open Systems vendors in the world, said, "I deny any knowledge of or participation, in any way whatsoever, with anything connected to 'The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre', and it would be wise for others to do the same." I find this statement to be very cryptic and, at the same time, very revealing; very much in line with what would expect from one associated with the alleged underground computer society described in the manuscript. As for Mr. Torry Basford, a former employee of Bell Labs who was Mr. Parker's first mentor in the world of Unix and is rumored to be laboring in obscurity in a small community college somewhere in the southwestern U.S., Mr. Parker would only say, "The man has suffered enough, please leave him alone." Regardless of the origins or authenticity of the document, it is considered by many to be extremely unsettling, perhaps even dangerous, and one might be better served to avoid reading the manuscript, if for no other reason than simple peace of mind.

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Re: A vote of confidence for Sandy
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:49 PM 1/10/97 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: >Yes. Igor's STUMP software seems like the way to go. The vast majority of >posters to this list are not a problem. Discussions amongst them may get >heated, but they have basic human decency and never even come close to the >level of abuse and bigotry we have seen from Vulis, aga, et al. I think that the move to human moderation is a good thing, and am pleased that Sandy will shortly begin to act as moderator. However, I think that forming lists of "approved people" and "unapproved people" and treating them differently is likely to do more harm than good, even if we have nice software which does it very efficiently. I don't like it for several reasons: 1. Political. It's symbolically disturbing, and it tends to shift the focus of the group (and of the moderation process) away from messages, and towards the people who post them. I think it'd be tempting to turn it into some sort of bureaucratic system, with punishments (being on the bad list) and rewards and status changes and written warnings and all of the other features which frequently bring out the worst in people. I suspect that agreeing on "the 10 people who are clearly a problem" will turn out to be as difficult as finding any 10 things that cypherpunks can agree on, and then we've got to decide who decides who's a problem, and then we've got to decide how we decide things, and argue about whether or not John Gilmore is a good person, and [...] 2. Technical. It requires that the people on the "good list" authenticate their messages (otherwise people will post with the names of "good people" to avoid moderation), which imports a lot of hassle with different platforms and signing and certification and key distribution and [...] which we don't have good solutions for yet. 3. Conceptual. It's a complex problem technically and politically, which means that it's difficult to understand or debug, and it's got a lot of points of failure. In general, complex solutions (which require many people to install and learn new software) are difficult to implement, take longer than anticipated, and are frequently avoided by the people they're supposedly helping. (See, e.g., RISKS Digest; both for how a human-moderated list can work nicely, and for examples of how complex technical solutions to problems often create more or worse problems than they solve.) I think that the human moderator solution suffers less from these problems; in general, it's a well-tested solution to the "what about off-topic assholes?" problem. It's not perfect, but it does work, more or less; it's easy to understand, easy to implement, and requires no software changes on the users' end. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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PGPmail 4.5 (Win/32) - First Public Beta
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The first beta of the PGPmail 4.5 plugin (Win, 32-bit) is now available for public experimentation. For further information, and to begin the export controlled* download process, please point your web browsers at: <http://www.pgp.com/products/PGPmail-beta.cgi> Your feedback on the software is welcome at the address listed on the webpage. Thank you for your continued support! dave *Not for use outside the USA and Canada. ________________________________________________________________________ Dave Del Torto +1.415.524.6231 tel Digital Privacy Munitions Analyst +1.415.572.1932 fax Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. http://www.pgp.com web -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPmail 4.5b8 iQCVAwUBMtdsVKHBOF9KrwDlAQG6jAP8CKn8iDlzWTE0nYm7QumDR5wIVtnqCGRo YO50odzYzuozKzzaTcB46c6ip0WXvc1sA/XC5/fcFHoiG9sQuZQp+UlrWLFWoLSF cG/VuLjPVbL7Oav2vM/noqDQvhRhkPQbI1l/f/tyvL6KoUovchBeG2NV+gLWzPNn a/MvF2QxuQM= =xVx2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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