December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Please read! High Tech
by Rita May Marendic 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Cypherpunk Elitism and Spam Filters
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > I'm not doing anything with your stupid list. I'm not even on it. > > That's right. This list is now being 'haunted' by the 'ghost' of > the late, great Dr. DV K. Boo! aa@@aaao a@@@@@@@@@@@aao @@@@@@@@@@ ::::::: :::: @@ @@ @@@ :::::::::::: :::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::::::::: :::::::: @@@@@."".@@@@@ :::::::::::::::::: ::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::::: :::::::::: @@@@@@' `@@@@@@@ :::::::::: :::::::::::::: @@@@@b__d@@@@@',@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::::: ::::::::: aaaa`@@@@""".@@@@,a@@@@@@@ :::::::::::::::: :::::::: aa@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::: :::::::: ::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::::a :::::::: ::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@a :::::::: :::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@a ::::::: a@a @@@ :: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@aaa : a@@" @@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@a @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@a @@@@@@@@@@"" a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@'"@@ a@"@@@@@@@ @@@ : @@@@@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ,@@'"' : @@ @@" "@@@"@@ ::: @@@@@ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@' :::: @@@ :::: @ ::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::: : :::::: :::::::::: a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ::::::: ::::::::::: :::::::::: a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' ::::::: ::::::::::::::::::: a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ :::::::: ::::::::::::::::: ""a@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' ::::::::: ::::::::::::: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@' :::::::::: ::::::::::::::: """""@@@@@""""""""' ::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::: --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Ecash naysayers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:02:52 -0500 From: Roderick Simpson <rod(a)wired.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv(a)lists.psi.com> Subject: Ecash naysayers Anyone heard a convincing naysayer of electronic cash? Who were they? Best, Rod R o d e r i c k S i m p s o n rod(a)wired.com A s s o c i a t e P r o d u c e r T h e H o t W i r e d N e t w o r k www.braintennis.com www.wiredsource.com ------------------------------ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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Re: Modified Token Posting Scheme
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:10 AM 1/4/1997, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: >In list.cypherpunks, ph(a)netcom.com writes: >> In essence, the poster is betting that the moderator will approve >> the post retroactively. >> The "moderator" returns the money to people when posts are worthwhile >> and keeps it otherwise. >> Of course, there's no reason to have just one moderator on the list. > In the case of several moderators, who gets the ecash? And doesn't this > open the list to bidding? "Pass this message, and you can keep the > e$500." The moderator keeps the cash. The moderator is pulled in several directions. He or she wants to keep the money but also wants people to post through him or her. The moderator also wants to be credible or their services will not be required. If it is implemented in a decentralized manner, the list is not up for bidding, but the ability to get past killfiles is. That is, anybody can post to the list, but some people will only read things coming from credible sources. The money you pay gets to those people. This is no different from the original scheme with a limited number of tokens. If the anonymity is preserved, you can always pay somebody $500 to go to the trouble of getting one of the rare tokens distributed or to buy one off a list member who already has one. In the modified scheme, the cost is quantified and easy to express and understand. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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Atoms vs Bits
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you doubt that wealth and atoms aren't linked much these days, one need only point out that the total weight (in tons) of the US annual GDP is about the same as it was 100 years ago while the constant dollar value of that production has increased 12 fold. Source - Greenspan speech quoted in The Economist Suvey of the World Economy 28 September 1996. DCF

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Re: Experiments on Mailing Lists
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:02 AM 1/4/1997, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 7:49 AM -0800 1/4/97, Peter Hendrickson wrote: >> The moderator keeps the cash. The moderator is pulled in several >> directions. He or she wants to keep the money but also wants people > ...blah blah blah.... > All of these schemes--some of them pretty clever--for posting tokens, > reputation-based killfiles, buying and selling reputation futures, etc., > are almost certainly far too complicated to deploy on a list like ours. > ...[Interesting Extropian history deleted.]... > So, rather than do similar tinkering with the Cypherpunks list--not that > either Hugh Daniel or John Gilmore have given any hint they are willing to > do such tinkering--I suggest those who want to try token-based posting, or > information markets in reputation capital, or herd-consensus killfiles, > etc., set up a separate mailing list and implement whatever they wish. If the point of these schemes is to filter content (*), there is no reason why they have to be implemented for the entire list. They can always be converted to a tag on the message which readers can use, but are not required to. I'm sure Tim would not object to any scheme implemented in this way. (So sure, in fact, that I will give him a dollar if he does object. ;-) (* If the point is to stop spam attacks, then they do have to affect the entire list.) Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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[Fwd: Re: Naive Export Question]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: ONE MILLION CHILDREN..... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 10:24:21 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > > C'mon Gary, why would anyone want to bother with all of this crap? > Chip implants are already in millions of pets. It's simple, cheap, > and there's no work for the owner. And there are several standards which are NOT compatible. Simply putting a chip in your pet (or child) is not sufficient to guarantee their return. If the system at use at the pound is not compatible the chip in the pet won't even respond and the operator has no idea of the actual situation. This is one of the reasons many states are enacting laws regarding the sale and transfer of pets. There was a piece on CNN just a couple of weeks ago about this problem, one state in the central US is in the process of passing various laws about animal trading. Seems they have a problem with people stealing pets from peoples homes and collecting 'for free' pets and then selling them to the medical labs at a hefty profit. Their advise was to never give pets away, but to always charge at least $10 ea. and if leaving pets unattended either put them inside a locked bldg. or else have your neighbors watch them in a fenced yard. > Thousands of humans are also implanted, i.e., Green Berets, Seals, and > similar types, women with breast implants, and so on. There's a move- > ment on to implant most children, so they're not as vulnerable to kid- > napping, etc. Baloney. I know two SEAL's (I share an office at work with one) and I can verify they are NOT chiped. I also have several female friends who have had various breast surgeries and they also are not chipped. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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[Fwd: Re: Timmy's Lost It: [Was Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Saw you Online!
by lep1＠bellsouth.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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