December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: wealth and property rights
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Adam Back wrote: >> >> Steve Boursy writes: >> >>> That's a fair question. I don't begrude one's ownership of their >>> fair share--but I do have serious problems with what we shall >>> call 'accumulators' if you will. For them I have contempt and no-- >>> they do not have that right of possession and often such 'work' is >>> at the expense and on the backs of others. >> >> I'm an accululator :-) >> >> The investments I have I worked for. > > Well of course you have--but the majority of people >in the world that are poor have worked just as hard >and do not derive the same benefits--that needs to >be changed. > > <clip> > >> See, if you spend your money now, on the above, you have no right to >> criticize me when I look relatively wealthy later. It's your choice >> to blow your money. > > > I agree--that's not what I was talking about--the majority of wealth >is handed down not earned--and the ability to earn also more often >than not results in hand me down priv. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who was successful at getting the practice of primo geniture outlawed in Virginia (it was later adopted by all the other states). He believed in a 'meritocracy' or sorts and abhored any practice which would create a merchant or political aristocracy in the new Republic. Unfortunately much of his wisdom was ignored (e.g. objection to a central bank, and the forbidding of one generation to indebt another) and we suffer the consequences to this day. > > >> Btw, people of your mentality (communists/socialists) already make it >> very difficult for me to accumulate, > > We do our best--some day we'll take it all away--really. > > Steve

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Re: IP address
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-02 02:44:30 EST, you write: << >What is the risk of publishing your dynamic IP address to a web page while you are on line? How vulnerable is someone just connected to the internet, w/o any server running? What attacks are feasable? --Internaut Well, if you are running Win95 (all) or 3.1 (w/certain TCP/IP stacks) your machine can be locked up or rebooted at *any* time using just PING! >> Im not sure under what circumstances you were referring this happening in, but I use win95 and so do friends of mine whom I ping ALL the time with their dynamic IP address. I do this to check the time before we do some online gaming across the net. Mind you.... I dont have to be connected to a KALI gaming server to do this.. He lets me know his IP address via his 2nd phone line, I log on the my ISP, goto dos and PING him.. and voila! Adam

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FRIDAY THE 13TH PICTURES
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Well, better late than never. Photos from my last costume party or now on the Web. Check them out at: http://www.c2.net/~sandy/web.htm (My eyebrows and most of my hair have grown back in the ensuing two and a half months.) Mark 15 February on your calendars. I'll be having another gala masquerade ball on that date. The venue will be Pacifica, CA. A formal invitation will be posted to the list a month or so before the party. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: IP address
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-02 20:11:05 EST, you write: << try ping -l 65510 host.name.edu >> from what ive heard, the sytem going down from a ping command is only when you ping with a wrong size packet

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Phrack, where can i find it?
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Scanlon <tfs(a)adsl-122.cais.com> writing [ 762] bytes in <$m2n21503-.9612012338.AA09683(a)adsl-122.cais.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!mail2news!toad.com!cypherpunks-errors said: > > where can i find latest (and old) phrack issues? > > > ftp.fc.net /pub/phrack has all the back issues, as well as the > current ones. Mid-1995 is about their latest issue. Their older issues truely sucked with mucho false info. -- Cheers!

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ANNOUNCEMENT: New low-noise cryptography mailing list
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Sorry that this is several weeks late, folks.] "Cryptography" is a low-noise mailing list devoted to cryptographic technology and its political impact. WHAT TOPICS ARE APPROPRIATE: "On topic" discussion includes technical aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography such as export controls or laws restricting cryptography. Discussions unrelated to cryptography are considered "off topic". If you subscribe, please try to keep your postings "on topic". In order to assure that the quality of postings to the mailing list remains high, repeated postings "off topic" may result in action being taken by the list moderators. MODERATION POLICY: In order to keep the signal to noise ratio high, the mailing list will be moderated during its initial weeks of operation. This will be changed if it appears that the list will remain on topic without moderation. TO SUBSCRIBE: send mail to majordomo(a)c2.net with the line subscribe cryptography in the body of your mail. If you wish to subscribe a mailing address other than the one you are sending from, send a message with the line subscribe cryptography [address]

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NEWS.COM Dispatch 12.02.96
by The CNET newsletter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*************************************** CNET's NEWS.COM DISPATCH 7:03 p.m. (PT) Monday, December 2, 1996 San Francisco, California, USA *************************************** WELCOME! *************************************** The NEWS.COM DISPATCH highlights the up-to-the minute technology news presented by NEWS.COM. It tempts readers with coverage of today's hottest stories, news in the making, (in)credible rumors, and other indispensable information. For complete versions of the stories updated all day long, head over to: http://www.news.com/?nd *************************************** CONTENTS SCOOPS AND TOP STORIES IBM plays doctor Net boom eludes main street Battles with Gates...pricing snafus...huge quarterly loss? No problem for AOL! DEC and Carrera team up to create 500-MHz workstations and servers ANNOUNCEMENTS An easy way for you to customize NEWS.COM Late-breaking stories just a click away with Desk Top News Send us your questions, comments, flotsam, and jetsam *************************************** SCOOPS AND TOP STORIES IBM PLAYS DOCTOR Big Blue is developing an innovative Internet "immune system" that intends to do battle with one of the Internet's nastiest hazards - viruses. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5829%2C00.html?nd NET BOOM ELUDES MAIN STREET We've all heard the seductive hum of the buzzwords: e-commerce, online advertising, new economic paradigm, secure commerce. And yet, many of those who actually put their sites where their mouths are seem to find one sound to be conspicuously absent: the happy cha-ching of the digital cash register. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5824%2C00.html?nd BATTLES WITH GATES...PRICING SNAFUS...HUGE QUARTERLY LOSS? NO PROBLEM FOR AOL! A mere six weeks after a white-knuckled corporate bungee jump during which its stock plummeted to the 22-3/8 mark--AOL's stock rose more than 13 percent in a single day. A major factor in this comeback is the "big news" (300,000 subscribers' worth) expected to be announced at the firm's semiannual partners' conference tomorrow. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5825%2C00.html?nd DEC AND CARRERA TEAM UP TO CREATE 500-MHz WORKSTATIONS AND SERVERS Aiming at Internet, scientific, and multimedia markets with their insatiable appetites for processing power, the DEC/Carrera team can boast about offering one of the fastest processors in the world. That is, until 1997, when the race gets even faster. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5818%2C00.html?nd *************************************** ANNOUNCEMENTS AN EASY WAY FOR YOU TO CUSTOMIZE NEWS.COM So many bits, so little time? Sounds like you need Custom News. Identify the topics, keywords, or sections you're most interested in, and Custom News will a create a page of headlines and summaries for all stories that match your criteria. Check it out at: http://www.news.com/Personalization/Entry/1%2C21%2C%2C00.html?nocache=1 LATE-BREAKING STORIES A CLICK AWAY WITH DESK TOP NEWS How would you like having split-second access to the very latest news on the Net? Our Desk Top News feature puts our 20 most recent stories right there on your desktop for you to review at any time. Here's how it works: 1. From any story, click Desk Top News in the top right. 2. A window will open showing our last 20 stories. 3. Click on a headline to display the story. 4. Desk Top News updates itself every 30 minutes. 5. You become known as Ms./Mr. Cyber-Info. It feels good. http://www.news.com/Help/Item/0%2C24%2C12%2C00.html?nd SEND US QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, FLOTSAM, AND JETSAM If you have any questions, suggestions or remarks, send us a message: newsdispatch(a)cnet.com CNET: The Computer Network http://www.cnet.com/ http://www.news.com/ http://www.gamecenter.com/ http://www.download.com/ http://www.search.com/ http://www.shareware.com/

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DES/IDEA In Linux loopback devices...
by The Deviant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Does anybody know where the archive for this kernel patch is? --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true." -- Spock -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMqOj+zCdEh3oIPAVAQF50gf+OA4aDrXpFSTUcpeHRzJC0xIu+TsOi7NI w0qWAK6V9c7olJLqzvUwPt1JkvsihSr8z12JUtGrRjuYUW+Zq4rueX1iwmPmt0EZ HUTZ1Ky6j0L/Ewn5YDjL6QV++zZuLNCCqVXkMee0ezrwi4GwyMMB1cKfbsnkprzu 2oQyDcEJvFXmkEKFv+u54DDB9viOEyBfVJoEHZtzaFrVFtf/QqY9KEY8JuJC6s67 FK4i5ltS4vzCu2cL4EmmWyJDvhPycdOBksU+yrPci4vB1PFzlQJ9I+Vz8Pr/fY6m BwLDu2Ptd9ZfOG51oSI4MaUxeD/Suxt9hPFVe5aU7xCMQ8f5UUbGtA== =R2Xk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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(no subject)
by Javier Rivera 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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Logos here
by LOGOS 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sovereign collegues, I am Logos. I have adopted this pseudonym to conceal my 'true name'. I want the ideas which I shall be espousing to stand or fall on their own merits and not on the basis of biases that my name, sex, ethnicity, etc. might otherwise elicit. I hope my contributions to this list will be seen as positive by most list members. I intend to limit my postings to only two meta-topics: decorum and logic. In other words, the way we speak to each other and the quality of our argumentation. Decorum From time to time, I will 'call' posters on their intemperate use of rude or provocative language. I believe Cypherpunks should be a market place of ideas, not a forum for egos and insults. The two houses of the American congress have adopted rules of decorum. Members may be censored or expelled for personal attacks and verbal abuse of other members. This was mandated for a very practical reason. It was realized that insults, profanity, 'fighting words', etc. could get so out of hand that they could interfer with the legitimate work of the congress. While some might say that in the case of the congress, this would be a good thing, I believe in the case of Cypherpunks, it is a bad thing. I, therefore, call upon each Cypherpunk list members to personally adopt such a code of conduct for themselves. If Democrats can refer to Representative Gingrich as 'my esteemed collegue' and Republicans can talk about the 'honorable' Ted Kennedy, I see no reason that we cannot treat Tim May and Dimitry Vilus with similar respect and courtesy. What is at stake is far more important than egos. Cypherpunks defeated Clipper, but of late they have only defeated themselves. Logic The average reader of this list has sufficient education and intelligent to understand the most informal logical falacies. Yet one sees such falacies committed here with disapointing regularity. I will post definitions of the most common falacies and will use examples found on this list as illustrations. If we are to be persuasive among ourselves and with others, we need to be rigorous in our thought processes. I would be honored to hear your thoughts on this post. Logos out.

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