December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

17 Dec '03

Most of the time, the problems are Gay... On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >From csm-tkt(a)support.psi.com Thu Jan 2 15:36:04 1997 > Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > via UUCP; Thu, 02 Jan 97 16:36:55 EST > for system > Received: from support.psi.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; > id AA06690 for postmaster; Thu, 2 Jan 97 15:36:04 -0500 > Received: by support.psi.com (8.6.12/PSI) > id PAA23158; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:36:02 -0500 > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:36:02 -0500 > Message-Id: <199701022036.PAA23158(a)support.psi.com> > From: Customer Support Mgmt Tickets <csm-tkt(a)support.psi.com> > To: postmaster(a)dm.com > Cc: abuse(a)psi.com > Subject: csm-00974 (ticket update) dns-77660 (ticket update) Can you help? > > Ticket #csm-00974 01/02/97-15:35:37 mikea SUBJECT: dns-77660 (ticket update) Can you help? > Posted by: Michael Abelson > ---------- > > > This is to inform you that we have received complaints > about traffic apparently originating in your domain. These > messages are unwelcome intrusions that violate unwritten rules > of the Internet, and are strongly resented. Please confirm > that you are aware of these complaints and are taking measures > to stop this practice. I have attached a portion of a complaint > for your information. > > Thanks for your help on this issue. > > Sincerely, > > PSINet Customer Support > > > > >I had lunch with Gilmore once. He slurps rather disgustingly when he eats. > >I suppose he slurps the same way when he sucks big dicks in San Francisco. > > > > >Much of the time on the Internet, when some asshole pulls plugs and tries to > >silence dissent, he turns out to be Gay. In particular, King John Lack-Clue ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I rest my case. > >Gilmore, the Supreme and Absolute 12" Ruler of the "cypher punks", is an > >effeminate, limp-wristed, self-admitted and -exposed cocksucking bitch. > > > > >

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Re: Judge Bork on Ebonics
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:37 PM 1/4/1997, Steve Schear wrote: >The following is from pages 300-307 of Robert Bork's brilliant >book, "Slouching Towards Gomorrah". This is a book which should >be read by everyone--and especially by liberals. > >Here are Judge Bork's thoughts on multiculturalism, bilingual >education, and "Black English", otherwise known as "Ebonics". Thank you for taking the trouble to type in Bork's thoughts. You might enjoy reading the introduction to his book on antitrust law. He eloquently demonstrates how antitrust law is designed and implemented to undermine the rule of law. The participants are fully aware of their actions and Bork documents it. Nonetheless, I have some disagreements with Judge Bork. I believe he is too eager to lump "multi-culturalists" and "revisionists" into one coherent mass. He also seems to ignore the many substantive and interesting points raised by the revisionists. >Bernstein took a two-year leave of absence from the New York >Times to gather the facts of the multicultural ideology and its >opponents. His is not an impressionistic book or one based on an >ideological predisposition; it is a report of empirical findings. He >points, for example, to the remarkable change in attitude towards >Christopher Columbus between 1892 and 1992. Though not a >single new fact about Columbus's life and exploits had been >uncovered, the country's mood swung from one of uncritical adu- >lation to one of loathing and condemnation, at least among the >members of the "intellectual" class. The change was accomplished >by the aggressive ideology of multiculturalism. The Columbus >turnaround is merely a specific instance of more general alter- >ations in our moral landscape. If it is the case that no new facts are known about Columbus, which probably isn't true anyway, then we have to seriously question what people were thinking in 1892. See "Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong" by James W. Loewen for a full treatment. The summary: Columbus was a bad man who lead the Spanish government in causing the deaths of about 8 million people. How can we rever such a monster? Why did people in 1892 do so? Less dramatically, Columbus's visionary belief in a round world was not as visionary as claimed. Many people were aware of this fact at the time. There are many similar examples of mythmaking. What has changed since 1892 is intellectual integrity and it has changed for the better. Of course, in 1892 the United States was just completing one of the most successful land grabs in history. One can either concede a strong belief in the right of conquest or one can lie about it. In 1892 they lied about it. >That was the meaning of the radicals' attack on Stanford's Western >Culture program in which students were required to sample the >writings of men who had helped shape Western culture-Shakespeare, >Dante, Locke, etc. A black student who objected to the program said >its message was "Nigger, go home." If Universities were run like businesses serving customers, this question would not even have to be raised. Students may study whatever they are willing to pay for. >That exclusionary inter- pretation is precisely the opposite of the >real message of the pro- gram, which was "Let us study what we have >in common as inheritors of a tradition." This I disagree with. There is nothing magical about promoting "tradition". I much prefer to study the most worthwhile literature and philosophical ideas available regardless of their source. While Shakespeare is certainly worth studying, Sun Tzu is at least as worthwhile, depending on one's goals. >The insistence on separate ethnic identities means that persons in >each group can study their own culture, often in highly flattering >and historically inaccurate form. But this is exactly what the Universities and other "educational" institutions in the United States have been doing for years. >Multiculturalism then means not the study of others but of oneself. This is simply false. When people argue about the curriculum at Stanford University, they are arguing about the education of a group composed primarily of young wealthy European-Americans. >In education at all levels, the substance of the curriculum >changes to accommodate multiculturalist pressures. We have >already seen this in feminist and Afrocentric studies, but it is >everywhere. In New York state it is official educational doctrine >that the United States Constitution was heavily influenced by the >political arrangements of the Iroquois Confederacy. The official >promulgation of this idea was not due to any research that dis- >closed its truth. Nor has any other state adopted this nonsensical >idea. I am very skeptical of Bork's claim. For example, the method of admitting states to the Union and granting them nearly equal status with the existing states does not, I believe, have precedent in European history. However, this is how the Five Nation Iroquois functioned. At first glance, it seems reasonable to suggest that the authors of the Constitution got this idea from the Iroquois. If anybody knows otherwise, I would be most interested to hear about it. "Lies My Teacher Told Me" had this fascinating passage on page 103: "In the 1740s the Iroquois wearied of dealing with several often bickering English colonies and suggested that the colonies form a union similar to the league [i.e., the Iroquois -ed.]. In 1754 Benjamin Franklin, who had spent much time among the Iroquois observing their deliberations, pleaded with colonial leaders to consider the Albany Plan of Union: "It would be a strange thing if six nations of ignorant savages should be capable of forming a scheme for such a union and be able to execute it in such a manner as that it has subsisted ages and appears insoluble; and yet that a like union should be impracticable for ten or a dozen English colonies.'" Consider this excerpt from page 104: "For a hundred years after our Revolution, Americans credited Native Americans as a source of their democratic institutions. Revolutionary-era cartoonists used images of Indians to represent the colonies against Britain. Virginia's patriot rifle companies wore Indian clothes and moccasins as they fought the redcoats. When colonists took action to oppose unjust authority, as in the Boston Tea Party or the anti-rent protests against Dutch plantations in the Hudson River Valley during the 1840s, they chose to dress as Indians, not to blame Indians for the demonstrations but to appropriate a symbol identified with liberty." Or consider this, also from page 104: "As a symbol of the new United States, Americans chose the eagle clutching a bundle of arrows. They knew that both the eagle and the arrows were symbols of the Iroquois League. Although one arrow is easily broken, no one can break six (or thirteen) at once." The truth is, many revisionists have many interesting things to say. Disturbingly, I have noticed that the anti-revisionists have a marked tendency towards ad hominem attack and seldom address the specific points raised. My belief is that many established historians see themselves as promoting a "tradition" and not as searchers for truth. I would like to hear opposing points of view if backed up by evidence. (Lowewen, for instance, has some squirrelly values and there are a number of errors in his book.) >This sort of thing is happening across the country as various ethnic >groups and feminists demand that history be rewritten according to >their party lines. This not only debases history but pits the various >groups against one another as they struggle for space in the >textbooks. New York's "interest in history is not as an intellectual >discipline," Schlesinger writes, "but rather as social and >psychological therapy whose primary purpose is to raise the self- >esteem of children from minority groups." Loewen claims that Schlesinger wrote an entire book on the Jackson administration in which he omitted any reference to the forcible relocation of the Cherokees from Georgia to Oklahoma. Regardless of whether one cares about such crimes - and one should - this episode is worth studying for its Constitutional implications alone. The Cherokees had a treaty with the United States Government. They took their case to the Supreme Court. Chief Justice of the United States John Marshall ordered that the Cherokees be left alone. Andrew Jackson replied "I'd like to see John Marshall stop me." Jackson, a former general, was presumably popular with the Army. I haven't verified Loewen's claim, but I have read an essay by Schlesinger in which he attacks historical revisionism without actually addressing any claim by the revisionists. Red Rackham

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(Your Comment Here)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Oakland School Board modifies Ebonics decision
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oakland, CA, Reuters -- Oakland School Board modifies Ebonics decision. On Saturday, the Oakland School Board, meeting in emergency session, voted to modify its controversial "Ebonics" program, which authorized Ebonics, or "black English," as a second language for the purposes of teaching minority children and for receiving federal funds for language programs. But the program became the laughingstock of the nation, as critics pointed out, and the White House was quick to announce that no funding for Ebonics programs will be forthcoming. As President Clinton noted, "Hell, down in Arkansas we got folks talkin' like that everyday, and we don't call it "bubbonics, " now do we?" Under pressure from the parents of the remaining white children, the Oakland School Board has decided to add "white English," also known as "Albonics," to the list of special languages. Under the proposal, Albonics would be a valid language for teaching white children who are lacking ghetto jive skills. As School Superintendent Lavondala Rasheed-Washington explained, "Yez be all we be sayin', know? Da honkies be sayin' ebonics be dissin' dem. We'z be skaggin' and deyz be tootin' an shit. Dis be bad." (A translation into Albonics was not available at press time.) In related news, the Oakland School Board has completed work begun over the Christmas school break to subtitle all school signs in Ebonics. The "Boys" and "Girls" restrooms in all Oakland schools are now subtitled "Niggaz" and "Bitches."

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Re: ONE MILLION CHILDREN.....
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:57 PM 1/4/97 -0800, Toto wrote: >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >> I used to be at 212-666-6984 for some 7 years. > > Aha! You figured it out, too, huh?!? Take the word "devil," remove the vowels and you get dvl. Rearrange slightly, and it's "dlv." Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Returned mail: Mailbox full, Please try later. (fwd)
by ArkanoiD 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[retin] May was born when his mother was on the toilet. ____ \ _/__ Timothy C[retin] May \\ / \/

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Re: (Your Comment Here)
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:41 AM 1/5/97 +0000, attila wrote: > you know, I've always given Tim a little slack on his occasionally > over-biased opinions, but... maybe Tim is the problem; he just seems > to bring out the 'best' in people like Dimitri and now the list has > turned into a free-for-all of the outrageously obscene. You got to be kidding. Tim is not the problem on this list. As any long time reader of this list surely knows, I do not always agree with Tim. But it is Tim who writes the well thought out essays, and it are Vulis and Aga who post day after day that "John Gilmore is a cock sucking faggot", "Queers must be banned from the Internet" and "Timmy is a convicted child molester that likes to fuck little children up the ass". Let's be clear about this: Tim May is a major asset to this list. Vulis and Aga are slime. [Note, I am unlikely to read any replies to this post since I filter on Vulis and similar vermin in the headers _and_ body text.] -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: ONE MILLION CHILDREN.....
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:26 AM 1/5/97 -0800, Dale Thorn wrote: >jim bell wrote: >> At 10:57 PM 1/4/97 -0800, Toto wrote: >> >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >> >> I used to be at 212-666-6984 for some 7 years. > >> > Aha! > >> You figured it out, too, huh?!? Take the word "devil," remove the >> vowels and you get dvl. Rearrange slightly, and it's "dlv." > >I can't resist this any longer. Pity the poor slobs who have me >in the filter. > >1. Dale Thorn is very similar to Damien Thorn. >2. The Roman numerals in my name add up to 555. For a 'C' programmer, > this can be the equivalent of 666 for a Basic programmer, taking > one digit at a time. >3. If you sign (with a pen) the name quickly, using counterclockwise > loops only, it will look exactly like 666, which BTW was a significant > paragraph in a lawsuit between myself and a former employer (they > initiated the paragraph). The devil you say! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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