December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Bellsouth DCS System..Any thoughts
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Comrades....and associates Has anyone had any experience in verifying the encryption scheme used in Bellsouth Mobility DCS system. Apparently, the system utilizes a signal from 1,850 - 1,925 mhz, and the the signal is encrypted there after. I've been told that no one has been able to decifer a conversation as of yet. Also, has anyone been able to view or alter the contents on the smartcard within the phone...... All suggestion will be analyzed carefully at discretion Thanks in advance....... Antonio Montana....

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 07:50 AM 1/17/97 +1000, Greg Taylor wrote: >Most of the world has been using GSM digital technology for some years >now, with automatic international roaming, unless you travel to the USA. >No one in their right mind uses an analogue mobile phone any more if they >are concerned about eavesdropping. The Newt incident simply could not >happen with GSM. Of course GSM encryption was weakened by the orders of various governments so that the national police forces could still listen in. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMt7XY4VO4r4sgSPhAQGJVAQArpSn4h0aNzV4yWkFbpCdjGnvpt058Uyi +Xm7dEsmPSSxQhnBMFk2lpnW8bmtA1hakXqluj1wfoKvVlaXifswPqc2lRPlCc2w qg/bu4tHXCm34Yzy346TgUJ6fBf5mJPNz1fZFgydy1HJbGXgSrcoX/Dl2IjjqpPW VB4ncdkmtbY= =AO5Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: RSA challenge: is it legal to try?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:13 PM 1/14/97 -0800, jim bell wrote: >US. Alone, that would have denied non-US patents to RSA. However, such an >explanation grandly ignores the fact that computer software (let alone >mathematics in general) was not considered patentable ANYWHERE (?) before >public-key systems made their appearance in 1976. ... >I'm still waiting for an "innocent" explanation for the US patent office >beginning to issue software patents. I don't think there is one. The first software patent was Dennis Ritchie's patent on setUID. Computer security is one area that, if you're going to allow patents on software at all (which I think are a bad idea, but that's politics), are likely to yield novel processes that will benefit the public if they're published. If you want an "innocent" explanation, it's that computers were finally starting to be affordable enough and software to be portable enough that there was a software market developing, and therefore there was money to be made (or stolen.) Before the mid-70s, there wasn't really much software that wasn't either obvious to a skilled practitioner (hence non-patentable), or else intimately tied to tweaky little details of some hardware product, where the hardware is patentable and the manufacturer is perfectly _happy_ to have everybody write non-portable code that locks you into using a FooBar 9000, while letting them claim that this code lets you run your applications 99.44% faster on the 9000 than on an IBM. And most early software patent applications _did_ include descriptions of some tweaky hardware implementation to make them fit better into the Patent Office mindset. Of course, the Patent Office, which didn't hire "software engineers" for a long time, had entirely no clue about what was obvious to skilled practitioners, so they've let all kinds of things be patented that were widely used in the trade, like XOR cursors and online commerce. But that's a flame for another newsgroup. >It also ignores the strong likelihood that the reason for the Patent-Office >policy change (done, apparently, without benefit of a corresponding law >change) was because with public-key/RSA there was finally an example of >software the government wished to deny to the average citizen, >and the only mechanism (short of secrecy, which was broken) to do so >was to patent it. D,H,R,S, and A didn't _have_ to apply for patents.... With hardware security products, the NSA has the power to seize and classify systems which are applying for patents, for no particularly good reason, and they used to do it often. For instance, there was an analog scrambler for CB radios that got its patent applications seized in about 1980. And most software patent applications for crypto have involved machinations to avoid getting trapped by this, like publishing in foreign journals before submitting applications. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: New US regs ban downloadable data-security software
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:53 AM 1/15/97 +1100, proff(a)suburbia.net wrote: >If you read ITAR you will see that State explicity bans export of any >operating system with a security rating of B2 or above. >The adgenda is pretty obvious. Actually, it's less obvious than that :-) The only way to get a security rating of B2 or above (or even D or above) is to submit your operating system for rating by the NCSC, which is a long, expensive process even for C2. By the time you get to B2, you're dealing with products that may have real-world uses but are primarily designed specifically for the military market. One of the sensitivities, besides keeping Scary Foreigners from getting Real Operating Systems, is that it makes it easier for the Scary Foreigners to look for any bugs the NCSC may have missed and understand any other weaknesses that the products may have which would let them break into US Military or Intelligence Agency systems. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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NY Tax Sale
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For those who may doubt my oft repeated prediction that coercive institutions will slowly dissolve into market institutions please note that next week New York State is having a Sales Tax "sale." All clothing purchases under $500 will be free of sales tax next week. That's 8.25% in New York City. Since CT and NJ don't tax most clothing sales this is clearly an attempt to meet the competition. Also for those who might like to become international fugitive financiers some day (like Marc Rich) see the business section of today's New York Times: January 16, 1997 Fugitive Financiers Find Fewer Places to Hide By PETER TRUELL Currently at: http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/financial/fugitive-financiers.html "To improve the Justice Department's record for capturing big-time fugitives, Attorney General Janet Reno last month started an interagency fugitive alert service, in conjunction with the United States Information Agency and the Voice of America. The effort includes a site on the World Wide Web (http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/oiafug/fugitives.htm) showing pictures of the most wanted fugitives." DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMt7gLIVO4r4sgSPhAQEPigP+JvOgxDbRT7fVCRmxT9H5uG0DWeiCVUoB 1jmjD4ZsS9KsQlIi9kpkzV5kw/OroqD1pcrxL8Ag+D4h2pkgytpaDFO0zPXrzwfG NADLN9agz7Lnlo8k/9bMpjbC5dFbCh7ayKA60MW/RqgTtiR/uC+2IXSISzVBeraA rahH94EBG4k= =yniF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Netscape sig's...
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here's something, that found it's way into my mailbox and might be of interest... In> SOFT> SecureWeb Documents: digitally signed documents -- FREE In> Netscape Navigator plug-in In> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 19:13:28 -0600 In> From: info(a)terisa.com In> http://www.terisa.com/ In> About SecureWeb Documents In> By using standard digital ID's (x509.v3 certificates), SecureWeb In> Documents can affix a digital signature to an electronic document. The In> result is impossible to alter or falsify without detection, unlike a In> written signature. Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE * */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! * * */ /* * * */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com * * */ /* * */ /* Finger or E-Mail for PGP public key. * * */ /* Key Size: 2047 / KeyID: 04174301 * * */ /* Fingerprint: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 http://www.eff.org */ /* 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMtxBYjltEBIEF0MBAQFFIwf+NBtJ76gj+jhD28q1KHgv1HiTSLcP1xIg ZCC779HJ29IM+imWFiqgv58HrGRva1lhMl9l0+DbWdS01muSeNAUuht+QlOY+ys8 9MPlsaTg2v0kEAE6+OQwWLs3C4HvlCBqbHIJubRTz+B4I3XP9pkRRc8VTO8INroA u5C+PF+t3QHWinpnmR/uwrdJWohKG6Ioh9U5MdZWkF+ks84Y3uKGQDIxLsGv5xjZ LI5u4OH7GjhuBNkuZgSoIm528dSmzPaYQk6sYJaSP2uz2HYnCEdfkE2/2+IRFn9m AvgQPDUXHslTsF3m0O0/0XwG29X0KemyERnBuYYso2JoI0O/2pBiKg== =/F/w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: ARKANSAS BANS PHONE SCRAMBLERS
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The Arkansas Police have declared that is is illegal to own, use, or > possess RSU product #11265113, a fully assembled > descrambler/scrambler, in the State of Arkansas. Yee-hah! I'm guessing that it's probably illegal because the police use them for "secret" conversations, or some such silliness, and don't want Bad Guys to be able to eavesdrop on what's probably a trivially analog-scrambled phone-garbler. Perhaps them good ol' boys have some more devious reason, or even have a law backing them up, but probably not. How soon do you think it'll be before they start busting people for Radio Shack Equipment Smuggling? Why, next thing you know there'll be people sneakin' across the border from Texarkana with pickmeup-truck loads full o' contraband encryption gear as well as the usual Lone Star Beer cans in the back. If I were Radio Shack, and the state did this to me after the police bought a bunch of them for police use, I'd be real upset. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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17 Dec '03

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