December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Please post Eudora PGP plugin URL
by ! Drive 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Or Email it to me Thanks in advance

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Re: Decline of Science ?? (Was: Stinger Specs)
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:10:57 +0100 (MET), Asgaard wrote: >> to participate. junior colleges are graduating students who >> would not have passed out of tenth grade 20-30 years ago. > ><etc. about Gen 3 (-5) as in Tim's example> > >Isn't this merely an effect of mass education instead of >elite_only education? And the peak performers will do as Not really; high schools have gotten worse -- it was amusing for me to read Robert Heinlein's rant in the first chapters of "Have spacesuit..." because the school he was complaining about would have been GOOD today. >A real difference, though, is the relative lack of multidisciplinary >theorists nowadays, I mean with a deep understanding of several >'unrelated' fields of knowledge. Most of us with actual competence >in a certain area are SUBspecialists. This is natural since the >knowledge bases have exploded to become impossible for any one man >or woman to comprehend. An industrial cobol programmer probably >doesn't know shit about Java (perhaps a bad example; I'm not >a programmer, but I know a guy who makes a good living off cobol!) You aren't that far off - at our developer's conference most people didn't know why Java was so hot. Particularly funny since Acucobol users have been getting that compile-once/run-anywhere ability for quite awhile. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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Re: KIDNEYS STOLEN FROM A NAKED DRUGGED MAN
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I heard an almost identical story from a security guard at DEFCON IV last july in Las Vegas. He said it happened in the hotel where he was working (not the Monte Carlo, which had just opened) in 1995. The management managed to cover the event up and it never, according to him, appeared in the local papers. >| >>> A friend of mine from UT passed this story onto me from the "Daily >| >>> Texan" - the University of Texas newspaper. Apparently it occured >| >>> during Fall Premier -- a UT tradition that is a celebration of the >| >>> end of midterms. >| >>> >| >>> >"Reason to not party anymore"- >| >>> > >| >>> > >| >>> >This guy went out last Saturday night to a party. He was having a >| >>> >good time, had a couple of beers and some girl seemed to like him >| >>> >and invited him to go to another party. He quickly agreed and >| >decided >| >>> >to go along with her. She took him to a party in some apartment >| >and >| >>> >they continued to drink, and even got involved with some other >| >drugs >| >>> >(unknown which). >| >>> > >| >>> >The next thing he knew, he woke up completely naked in a bathtub >| >>> >filled with ice. He was still feeling the effects of the drugs, >| >but >| >>> >looked around to see he was alone. >| >>> > >| >>> >He looked down at his chest, which had "CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE" >| >>> >written on it in lipstick. He saw a phone was on a stand next to >| >>> >the tub, so he picked it up and dialed. He explained to the EMS >| >>> >operator what the situation was and that he didn't know where he >| >was, >| >>> >what he took, or why he was really calling. She advised him to get >| >>> >out of the tub. He did, and she asked him to look himself over in >| >>> >the mirror. He did, and appeared normal, so she told him to check >| >>> >his back. He did, only to find two 9 inch slits on his lower back. >| >>> >She told him to get back in the tub immediately, and they sent a >| >>> >rescue team over. >| >>> > >| >>> >Apparently, after being examined, he found out more of what had >| >>> >happened. His kidneys were stolen. They are worth 10,000 dollars >| >>> >each on the black market. (I was unaware this even existed.) >| >>> >Several guesses are in order: >| >>> >The second party was a sham, the people involved had to be at least >| >>> >medical students, and it was not just recreational drugs he was >| >>> >given. >| >>> > >| >>> >Regardless, he is currently in the hospital on life support, >| >>> >awaiting a spare kidney. The University of Texas in conjunction >| >>> >with Baylor University Medical Center is conducting tissue research >| >>> >to match the sophomore student with a donor. >| >>> > >| >>> >Any information leading to the arrest of the individuals may be >| >>> >forwarded to the University of Texas Campus police, or the Texas >| >>> >Rangers. >| >>> >

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Re: "Family Channel" of the Internet?
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:40 PM 12/6/96 -0500, Ken Kirksey wrote: >1) Is it technically possible for them to limit access to only approved >IP addresses? If so, how can they do this, and is it possible to get >around these measures. Oh yeah, very easily. Can you say 'proxy server'? Corporations [including the one I work for] have been using them for quite some time to control Internet access. For example, everytime I try to hit anything in the GeoCities domain I get a nice little message saying I've been caught and to stop being naughty. You can get around it by using services (like Anonymizer) beyond the proxy server that get pages, files, etc for you. Assuming, of course, that the ISPs don't block those as well. >2) What in the world would SET--I assume that was what he was talking >about--have to do with this? Absolutely nothing. >3) In general, how would you use crypto to ensure that your users only >connected to approved sites, regardless of the platform or browser >software they were using? I wouldn't. It's not even a crypto issue. That's like asking how you would use your tea kettle to peel this orange: sure, you *could* do it, but why? I think your pegged 'bogometer' had it pegged. -Rick Rick Osborne / osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com / Northrop Grumman Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Double your drive space - delete Windows!

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Re: PGP in Russia
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:29 AM 12/6/96 -0800, Declan McCullagh wrote: >A slight correction -- taking PGP out of the US is not illegal, as long >as you take adequate measures under the presonal use exception to prevent >your laptop from being stolen by foreign nationals and keep records of >your trip for five years. At least that's what y my friend from the State >Dept told me when we had dinner a few weeks ago. Don't the ITARs say it's illegal to "disclose" that material to a foreign person? If that's the case, then presumably a person could take the material out of the country without "disclosing it," or he could "disclose" it to that foreign person inside the US. True, the government seems to have already taken the position that there is a personal-use exemption, but so far we haven't heard any action with regards to in-country disclosure to a foreigner. I'm not trying to give them any nasty ideas, but a domestic sting with this as its nexus seems possible. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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ANSI X9 pointers
by Crypto Policy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi: I am writing a paper on the ridiculous/backwards US crypto policy. I am trying to write a few words about the ANSI X9 vs. clipper fight, but I haven't been able to find anything on ANSI X9. Can anyone point me to info on ANSI x9 on the web? Bernie

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Re: denial of service and government rights
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:02 PM 12/6/96 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: >you were speaking of human rights, and the issue of Bush being Knighted >... just out of curiousity, why is it against the constitution for Bush >to be Knighted?? > >Thanks > Article 1 Section 9 of the Constitution of the United States: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

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Coderpunks
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[retin] May's IQ is lower than the belly of a pregnant snake. His ignorance and stupidity are bottomless. o o /< >\ Tim C[retin] May \\\_______/// // ||||||| \\

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States' crypto legislation
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hi I wonder whether various states in the US have laws restricting use of cryptography. In particular, does anyone know of such laws in Oklahoma? thank you - Igor.

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Re: Silence is not assent (re the Vulis nonsense)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blanc Weber wrote: NOTE: original posting undeliverable due to spelling: cyhpherpunks > From: Dale Thorn > If you could analogize the list to a human society, then you might > understand that a pattern of decadence can set in here as it does in > the more visible society, as is run from Washington DC, etc. It is > my hope to make a contribution here (as in the more visible society) > to fight off some of that decadence, even when I get beat up on for it. > There is a huge the difference between a society of people relating to > each other based on principles of coercion vs an extemporaneous society > of individuals who make their own decisions (daily) about when/where/how > long they will associate with another. > The society run by Washington,D.C. expects that people will have no > choice but to fly in formation in the direction set by the leader who > represents the majority (sort of). That's a judgement, rather than an obvious truth. Fact is, service in Washington is purely voluntary, and one can leave anytime they wish. > The virtual "society" of the cpunks is only based on their interest in > opening up their mail and reading a few messages here & there according > to their mood of the day or the moment. Sounds pretty casual, doesn't it? Maybe there are a *few* c-punks who fit that description, but there are at least as many who are in this thing for some heavy action, if you know what I mean, and I think you do. > It is true that formal societies, like the one which was initially > intended by The Founders (of the US), often run afoul of the original > purpose for which it was begun. They decay for many reasons. This is > precisely one of the elements in the background of the cpunks thinking > ("the founders" and others) about societies and the "ties that bind" > (supposedly) us to each other: the interest in being released from that > supposition that we are bound to each other and are obligated to > maintain a relationship of some kind (as determined by the PC moral > 'authorities'). [snip] When I "joined" the Audio Engineering Society in the late 1970's, to get their journal cheap, it was going pretty good. Eventually it decayed quite a bit, where they were running more pictures of their get-togethers and awards programs than anything else. I see cypherpunks in the same straits potentially, as long as so many of the long-term "members" can continue claiming that "It belongs to one person, really, our Cypherpunks God", etc. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of potential here, and I hope it continues, but.... BTW, thanks for a very civil reply.

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