December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Juno Newbies are Great!
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OK, there are lots of spammers, clueless newbies, and wannabes there. There are some cool things about Juno - it's free. Anybody can get on it. Easily. Anonymously, more or less, since they don't need to have your whole credit history to be able to charge you money. At most you need a maildrop. - it's free. Anybody can get on it. Without a government. Without a bureaucracy from Washington who are Here To Help Us Provide Universal Access to the Nationalist Infotainment Infrastructure. Without telling us how to run _our_ systems. - it's free. Anybody can get on it. Anybody can try to compete. There aren't any subsidies, so there aren't any rules, except the usual "make sure you've got positive cash flow soon" and "reputation capital can sell lots of stock." - it's free. Nobody has to be on it. If you don't like the management, you can bail, with minimal investments, and go find better. - it's free. Nobody has to be on it, unlike a government-run NII that you need to pay your taxes, do your banking, register cars, keep your draft card up to date and your papers in order, and can get thrown off if they suspend your Internet Driver's License for six months. - it's free. _I_ don't have to pay for it if I don't want it. - it's free. Any newbie, spammer, or 3133T D00D can get on it, act as stupid as they want, and it's ok, because the public knows (or will soon enough) that clueless people live there and not to take any email from juno.com too seriously - it's not like mail from whitehouse.gov or kremvax.su or cnn.com that you know you'd better read and believe every word of. It's as accurate as the National Enquirer, it's the Net Of A Million Lies, and like Television, nothing to panic over. So, like, relax, chill out, and get procmail or BozoWatch or some other filter, and you not only can get rid of most of the junobots, you can use it to get rid of lots of other spam, and use that new Distributed Reputation Service Platform that Anon(a)juno.com is developing to find the interesting 100 messages per day of the 1000 you receive. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: Domain names - Alternic - Authority
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(The Top-Level Domain Name Wars have been breaking out in Cyberia-L, not a usual place for technical discussion, plus popping up and down in Cypherpunks. Hope y'all don't mind me mixing this to both.) Back when domain names first came in, a number of us didn't believe that a centralized organization could pull it off, especially when it was being done by a collaboration of the US military types and the European Phone Companies, who were well known to be clueless. The email world wasn't just the ARPAnet, it included all of UUCP-land, PCs were starting to occupy their spaces, and there were various DECish things and Berknets and other radically non-conformable architectures and overlapping namespaces. UUCPland worked because a few dedicated people, mainly at Bell Labs and some universities, with lots of time and non-beancounted-non-billed funds, kept track of where machines lived, phone-polled sites that couldn't afford it, tried to keep track of which of the umpty-seven machines named "bilbo" or "mozart" could talk to which others so you could occasionally get mail to someone who lived at ucbvax!allegra!mozart!zorro!bilbo!gandalf and know it was the same bilbo!gandalf you'd talked to last week and maybe get mail to people reliably across complex paths. Pathalias was a cool program that took link data and Dijkstra'd it together into a relatively connected bunch of shortest paths. The idea that Somebody Thought They Were In Charge was annoying to many of us, especially Somebody Bureaucratic. Peter Honeyman set up a bunch of his machines as the .FUN domain for a while; it was run by fun people. Rob Pike and Ken Thompson later wrote a marvelous technical rant called "The Hideous Name" about how locally-based addressing makes far more sense than global - it both reflects reality and lets the decisions about naming and such be made by the people and processes that need to make them. Well, domain names eventually became a raving success, just because it was so much easier to say where someone was (administratively, if not physically) than to guess how to get there hop-by-hop. Separating administrative addresses from routing was an important mental step. Stuff like .BITNET and .CSNET were workable, .UUCP had its real problems but eventually became sort-of-defined relative to uunet, a machine set up as a research project that had turned into a small business. One of the things that made it work well was that any given machine only had to know a manageable amount of stuff - you needed your own subdomains, a path to the top of your organization, a way to recognize that given patterns were high-level domains, and a path to the Root Servers - plus you needed somebody Higher Up to enter your name and address in their administrative database so other people could find you. It's easy to find where to look among a few hundred entries (a few technically-cooperative countries, a few zones for non-countries, and a few hundred countries that didn't really have email :-) Occasionally a country comes on board that your internal nameservers didn't recognize, and you need to get your administrator to add .nl or .kr or whatever. >From that relatively short list, which you don't need any blazingly complex database to administer, you can get anywhere. The standard DNS BIND tries to solve a bunch of complex _local_ problems and work portably in many different environments, but doesn't need to be tuned blazingly complexly to work almost anywhere. The systems that need to go beyond that are the servers for .com and to some extent .edu, which have to keep track of a lot more sites, and places that have complex internal structures or are trying to solve fancy problems like mobile users. But www.joesgarage.com doesn't need to do most of that. I think polluting the top-level domain name space is a bad move. While geographically-based names aren't a great choice for representing non-small organizations, they're short, and if you open up the entire top-level you just complicate everyone's life and in a year or two you'll have as many people carving out space at the toplevel as you currently have in .com, raising the ego levels without making the name space any bigger. Now, I suppose there's a certain nice philosophical position of being able to say "You're .gov.fr - we're .microsoft, and we're at a higher level than you!" or "You're .gov.uk - we're .gov.AnTir, and everybody in _our_ kingdom is there because they want to be!" # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: Internet Drivers' Licenses
by Johnny Eriksson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Duvos writes: > I am now getting more junk email than email from people I > care to correspond with. It seems one can't even read the > scholarly newsgroups anymore without "Come Watch Us Lick > Ourselves on the Web" messages popping up regularly. How inappropriate. Such messages belongs in rec.pets.cats. --Johnny

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EGO_war
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-13-96. FiTi: "On manoeuvres in the modern military mind." The most interesting challenge is psychological. Participants learn the hard way that they cannot simply command. They must persuade, cajole and win over subordinates, allies and politicians, who may have varying agendas. While lower level command requires physical courage and speed of decision, higher commmand involves moral courage, intellectual vision and perseverance. "Politicians are being pressed by interest groups on all sides, while the military will usually only focus on their aspect of the task. The collision of those two sets of values can be quite a shock." The more subtle message from the historians is the lethal potential of petty jealousies, warring ambitions and clashing egos. ----- http://jya.com/egowar.txt (16 kb) EGO_war

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ISC Meeting Agenda
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael S Baum <baum(a)world.std.com> To: www-buyinfo(a)allegra.att.com Subject: ISC Meeting Agenda Mime-Version: 1.0 ========================================================== MEETING NOTICE ========================================================== Please correspond with: Michael S. Baum, Esq. 33 Tremont Street Cambridge, MA 02139-1227 USA V: +1 617.661.1234 F: +1 617.661.0716 E: michael(a)verisign.com Subject: INFORMATION SECURITY COMMITTEE MEETING NOTICE Dear Committee Member: You are cordially invited to participate in a meeting of the Information Security Committee, Section of Science & Technology, American Bar Association, on Friday/Saturday, October 18-19, 1996, in Boston. The Committee will advance its development of commercial key escrow guidelines as well as consider digital signature legislative initiatives in the several States and other jurisdictions, and continue its consideration of digital signature evidence and liability. Consistent with Section policy, ISC meeting participants MUST be members of both the ABA and the ABA Section of Science and Technology. Please contact Ann Kowalsky, Manager Section of Science & Technology, at ABA offices in Chicago by phone: +1 312.988.5599, fax: +1 312.988.5628, or email: sciencetech(a)attmail.com for membership information. It is possible to become a paid member of the ABA and the ISC at the meeting. Dan Greenwood, ISC member, has kindly agreed to host the meeting at the Information Technology Division of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Dan can be reached at 617.973.0071 or DGreenwood(a)state.ma.us for directions & logistical information. Meeting details appear below. I look forward to seeing you in Boston. Sincerely, Michael S. Baum Chair, Information Security Committee Section of Science & Technology, ABA --------------- INFORMATION SECURITY COMMITTEE October 18-19, 1996 Tentative Agenda (see "Meeting Details," next page) (In extended sessions, breaks will be taken as needed.) October 18, 1996 Friday 8:30-9:00 Greetings, breakfast, administrative matters. 9:00-9:30 Introductions, meeting logistics, Guidelines update, questions; PKI-relevant standards reports. 9:30-12:00 Legislative/Regulatory Update (including open conference call with digital signature leg./reg. drafting committee representatives in the US and abroad). 12:00-13:00 Joint lunch with Boston Bar Assn, Computer Law Committee. 13:00-18:00 Continuation of legislative/regulatory update with digital signature leg./reg. drafting committee representatives. 18:00-???? Watering hole discussions; possible continuation of work group meetings. October 19, 1996 Saturday 8:30-9:00 Breakfast, et cetera. 9:00-10:00 Presentation by Key Escrow work group. 10:00-12:00 Breakout sessions on work groups. 12:00-13:00 Working lunch and guest presentation on "Assuring Quality and the Accreditation of Certification Authorities" by invited representative of the Nat'l Inst. of Standards and Tech. 13:00-15:00 Presentations by Work Groups. 15:00-15:30 Path Forward; wrap-up. ISC MEETING DETAILS October 18-19, 1996 Members are urged to participate in one of the work groups that will be presenting/meeting during the ISC's meeting. "Addendum" Work Group Contact: Ruven Schwartz (rschwart(a)research.westlaw.com) Tom Smedinghoff (tsmed(a)mbc.com) Joe Wackerman (jwackerm(a)email.usps.gov) The Addendum Work Group will continue drafting a digital signature trading partner agreement -- integrating the principles of the Digital Signature Guidelines, and developing additional practical commentary for this model form of electronic commerce agreement. Evidentiary Work Group Contact: Stan Kurzban (qbjw99a(a)prodigy.com) or Serge Parisien (parisise(a)droit.umontreal.ca) The Evidentiary Work Group will complete and present a provisional outline for a tutorial on the evidentiary implications of digitally signed information and advance drafting of material for each section of the tutorial. Key Escrow Work Group (KEWG) Contact: Dwight Olson (73522.3542(a)compuserve.com) or Randy Sabett (rsabett(a)venable.com) The KEWG will focus on the legal and technical aspects of commercial key escrow. The group will seek to accurately explore all major issues surrounding this topic, and produce a set of draft guidelines for comment. The proposed guidelines are intended to facilitate secure electronic commerce by clarifying the rights and obligations of the parties involved in voluntary commercial key escrow. The work product may take one or more forms including: (i) a "restatement" of the relevant law and practice, (ii) a model state or federal law or international convention, (iii) a set of principles that can be incorporated by reference into agreements or used for the interpretation of legal aspects of voluntary key escrow, or (iv) a set of "gap filler" provisions. Liability Work Group Contact: Maureen Adamache (rmadama(a)magi.com) The liability work group will meet as necessary to discuss the apportionment of liabilities among PKI providers and users. Previously, this task was considered in the ISC's own work-product, the Digital Signature Guidelines. Future documents that will be considered include Certification Practice Statements, and digital signature legislative and regulatory work product. State Government Digital Signatures Laws & Regulations Contact: Dan Greenwood (DGreenwood(a)state.ma.us) The digital signature legislative and regulatory working group will compile, evaluate and compare the various emerging approaches by states and other jurisdictions. Work product will include a web-based comprehensive "one-stop shop" for jurisdictions wishing to review current approaches. First-time participants (who plan to attend the October 18-19, 1996 meeting) must request attendance and submit a brief work-product (typically 3-5 pages) relevant to the subject matter. Please contact Ruven Schwartz (v: 612.687.8095, f: 612.687.7907, or e: rschwart(a)research.westlaw.com) for details. Meeting Location: McCormack Building (Across Bowdoin Street from the State House) 1 Ashburton Place Room 1, 21st Floor Boston, Massachusetts USA (Contact: Dan Greenwood +1 617.973.0071) Meals: The cafeteria will be available for lunch on Friday for those ISC Members who choose to work through the joint lunch session. On Saturday we will probably order in pizza. Lodging: A very nearby hotel is the Holiday Inn, Government Center, 5 Blossom Street, Boston. The regular rate during our meeting dates is $219.95/night. However, the Reservation Supervisor (Kim) has offered a rate of $199.95 to Committee members who request the "Great Rate" plan. Call reservations at +1 617.742.7630. For a better (but more expensive) hotel near Government Center, try the Parker House at +1 617.227.8600. The Omni Parker House (nicer than Holiday Inn) quoted a rate of $169/night for a single with a king or queen bed and $119/night for a single with a double bed. The rooms are very small - but the hotel is nice. See also a Greater Boston Bed & Breakfast directory: http://www.inovatec.com/bb/resservc/GREATER/GREATER.htm. RSVP: Please confirm your intention to participate to Ann Kowalsky, Section Manager, Section of Science and Technology (sciencetech(a)attmail.com) as soon as possible. See you in Boston! =========================================================================== --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "'Bart Bucks' are not legal tender." -- Punishment, 100 times on a chalkboard, for Bart Simpson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Re: unwanted mail..what can I do?
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-09-14 01:18:49 EDT, dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) writes: << AwakenToMe(a)aol.com writes: > I recieved mail from netfree.com.. > I tried mailing it back (it def. had a forged address, but I got the netfree > from the mail header.....) > So anyway..... I tried sending to root@netfree....my mail was rejected (not > unknown ...it was rejected by the system) said it wasnt authorized... so I > tried support@netfree...same thing. > It ISSSSS rather annoying...any sugestions? Yes, a bunch of them: 1. Get a life. Learn to delete unwanted e-mail. Get a real shell account. 2. Ask AOL to let its users decide what e-mail to reject automatically (like procmail). They've been promising this capability by the end of September. Then you can set up your account to get no more e-mail from netfree. >> Typical asshole response. I must thank chuck@nova..etc. for his TRULY helpful response. But you........get a real shell account?? I do thank you. netcom and a school system. I can delete unwanted mail. But maybe I LIKE to yell at people who spam me. And ive never received mail from netfree before..nor since... thats NOT my problem. Learn to comprehend what pthers write. I wanted to know what I can do about getting in coontact with them. It is in my opinion not right to forge email addresses...people dont do it when the send me us postal mail

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MTH_ead
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

9-14-96. WaPo: "Empty-Head Network Fails to Link TWA Crash to Terrorism." The frantic overseas intelligence-gathering effort, which has included eavesdropping, use of informants and offers of large cash payments for leads, has been undertaken by the CIA, the NSA and the DEA, as well as a number of foreign investigative agencies. The NRO has analyzed voluminous archives of intelligence drawn from spy satellites, intercepted phone calls and electronic eavesdrops gathered before the crash. Since right after the TWA crash, the NSA started monitoring phone conversations of people believed to have ties to terrorists groups, as well as trying to track the movements of suspected terrorists. The CIA, working through its sources, has been offering money for leads on any kind of terrorist role. The DEA has been using overseas agents to gather intelligence; the FBI liaisons stationed in 23 countries are working to gather intelligence on the crash; and Scotland Yard and the Mossad are also empty-handed (not Red-handed -- yet). ----- http://jya.com/mthead.txt (10 kb) MTH_ead

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Re: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Art]
by Admin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:53 PM 9/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>At 21:50 9/11/96, Ross Wright <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> wrote to >>>cypherpunks(a)toad.com and remailer-operators(a)c2.org: >>>>As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a >>>>public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address. >>> >>> >>>Interesting perspective. However, placing an email address on a web page >>>is by no means an offer to take "comments" (i.e., marketing spams) on >>>anything that strikes the spammer's fancy. >> >>How would you know what the *intent* of these other people is in placing >>mailme: tags on their public pages unless you have been to the specific >>pages. You speak only for yourself, yet you try to imply that you speak for >>everyone on the www who has placed a mailto: tag on their pages. >> > >I think this is exactly the point. On a given page I might have several >mailto tags. One for comments on some subject, one for feedback, and one >for the webmaster. I expect the person mailing me to take the time to use >the correct mailbox. I created a page urging political activism, and >included a mailto for all the relevant Senators and Representatives. I >hardly think they are interested in this kind of spam. Of course, that would be for THEM to decide what they find interesting or not. Every response to this thread always seems to impart some speculation as to what other people might or might not find interesting. What one finds of interest another may not so why don't we leave it up to the recipients themselves instead of some self appointed censors. I'll decide whats interesting to me, you decide what is interesting to you, and the senators can decide whats interesting to them. I'm sure that some senators/reps on the various endowment for the arts committees, and or the technology oversight committees would have found HipCrime's sight to be of some interest. Of course if it was a blurb of some new mixmaster/remailer development, you would have found it of interest, so lets stop trying to guess what other people want and speak for ourselves. > >Trawling the web for every address you can find, then mailing them all >seems very inappropriate. To you it may not seem appropriate, as its a subjective judgement, I'm sure that some brown-shirted jack-booted gov't officials beleive that using a remailer for any reason is inappropriate....thats what's great about this world, we all have our own subjective beliefs. admin > > -Lance > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com >PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. >Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! >http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com > >"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly >it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice >weasels come." > --Nietzsche >---------------------------------------------------------- > > > <>________________Lowest_Priced_Long_Distance__________________<> ||Long Distance 9.9¢/min |Helping hardworking people || ||9.9¢ Anytime, Anywhere in US! |like yourself pay the || ||Free sign-up, 6 second billing |lowest possible price for || ||http://www.superhot.com/phone |high quality LD service. || <>-----------------------1_303_692_5190------------------------<>

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radikal mirrors as of 14-9-1996
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Exactly the point Lance... [Fwd: HipCrime and Art]
by Admin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:30 AM 9/14/96 -0700, you wrote: >>At 09:53 PM 9/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >>>>>At 21:50 9/11/96, Ross Wright <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> wrote to >>>>>cypherpunks(a)toad.com and remailer-operators(a)c2.org: >>>>>>As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a >>>>>>public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Interesting perspective. However, placing an email address on a web page >>>>>is by no means an offer to take "comments" (i.e., marketing spams) on >>>>>anything that strikes the spammer's fancy. >>>> >>>>How would you know what the *intent* of these other people is in placing >>>>mailme: tags on their public pages unless you have been to the specific >>>>pages. You speak only for yourself, yet you try to imply that you speak for >>>>everyone on the www who has placed a mailto: tag on their pages. >>>> >>> >>>I think this is exactly the point. On a given page I might have several >>>mailto tags. One for comments on some subject, one for feedback, and one >>>for the webmaster. I expect the person mailing me to take the time to use >>>the correct mailbox. I created a page urging political activism, and >>>included a mailto for all the relevant Senators and Representatives. I >>>hardly think they are interested in this kind of spam. >> >>Of course, that would be for THEM to decide what they find interesting or >>not. Every response to this thread always seems to impart some speculation >>as to what other people might or might not find interesting. What one finds >>of interest another may not so why don't we leave it up to the recipients >>themselves instead of some self appointed censors. I'll decide whats >>interesting to me, you decide what is interesting to you, and the senators >>can decide whats interesting to them. >> >>I'm sure that some senators/reps on the various endowment for the arts >>committees, and or the technology oversight committees would have found >>HipCrime's sight to be of some interest. Of course if it was a blurb of some >>new mixmaster/remailer development, you would have found it of interest, so >>lets stop trying to guess what other people want and speak for ourselves. >> >>> >>>Trawling the web for every address you can find, then mailing them all >>>seems very inappropriate. >> >>To you it may not seem appropriate, as its a subjective judgement, I'm sure >>that some brown-shirted jack-booted gov't officials beleive that using a >>remailer for any reason is inappropriate....thats what's great about this >>world, we all have our own subjective beliefs. >> >>admin > >Allow me to make this more concrete. I don't want see any of this fucking >shit in my mailbox just because I have a mailto link on my Mixmaster page. >Is that sufficiently clear? Exactly the point, bingo! The point is this, exactly what do YOU define as *fucking shit* so that anyone who visits your page will know exactly what they can and can't say to Lance Cottrell. We've determined that you don't want to receive the HipCrime URL from your mailto: button. What about the next visitor who comes across your page, how will they know exactly what you do or do not find interesting? Will you put a lengthy *what I expect from all correspondents who use my mailto: button* explanation on the page? Perhaps a simple, *don't mail me unless I already know you and want to hear what you have to say...* tag? admin > -Lance > >---------------------------------------------------------- >Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com >PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. >Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! >http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com > >"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly >it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice >weasels come." > --Nietzsche >---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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