December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by leeasher＠gil.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:02 PM 1/14/97 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >>>I just caught the news reports of Newt Gingrich's cell phone calls being >>>taped by "a little old retired couple" with a scanner. These were then >>>given to a congressman, who gave them to a newspaper. > >Eavesdropping on cellphones is illegal, since there's an expectation of >privacy. I disagree. Not that cellphone eavesdropping is illegal, it is; I disagree that the REASON it is illegal is some sort of expectation of privacy. And I also disagree that there is any expectation of privacy. If anything, the opposite should be true: Unless a person was (falsely) under the impression that the radio signals were encrypted (which, in itself, requires that a person be technologically-literate enough to be aware of the technical possibility that radio CAN BE encrypted, but also implies knowing that they might not be...) then the very fact that the signals go by radio would imply the possibility of reception by others with reasonably simple radios. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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by info＠softcell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: another idea?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > How about, we have > > cypherpunks-raw: unmoderated 110% SPAM > > cypherpunks: moderated by Sandy and other moderator. > > That was the original proposal. > Now that the 'discussion' has come around full circle, can we > stop talking about it and DO it? Am I to presume that we will be putting something in the "welcome to cypherpunks" message people get when they join to tell them how to subscribe to the uncensored list? - or are we going to have yet more censorship on this list which is rapidly degenerating into a playground of illuminati and elite censors??? Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy `C' May is so full of shit that some of it bursts out on this mailing list. /\ /\ + \______/ + / . . \ < / > \ \--/ / ------

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:56 PM 1/14/97 -0500, Brad Dolan wrote: >Mmmm. I'm told that, on most cellphone calls, a scanner will present both >sides of the conversation on the same frequency. Usually one side will be >louder. Perhaps there's some feedback from a party's receiver back into >his transmitter? It's called duplex echo. Whenever you convert 2-wire audio to 4-wire (two pair) you're going to get a reflection. The cell-phone company can't perfectly match the impedances connecting to the local phonecos, and so a little signal gets reflected. Actually, this is desireable locally because it acts as feedback to the speaker, as long as the reflection is kept within reason. The result is that both sides of the communication are hearable in the radio signals. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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s/n problems on this list
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've posted on this subject many times in the past, and its something I like to brainstorm on. signal to noise problems on this list. generally, the moderator-specific approaches I find less palatable than techniques that can be automated. here are some more ideas for automated moderation techniques. 1. software called "grouplens" I've talked about here (search yahoo) has been used to rate articles. they found that there was a very high correlation between how long people spent reading articles and the "interesting" rating that they gave that article. hence, a proposal: cpunks have long advocated and hacked mailer programs to stick in crypto. how about sticking in a hack that tracks how long mail messages are being read, and send that info back to an auxilliary mailing list address. the list software keeps track of time spent reading articles and can allow people to screen the list based on the "most interesting articles". "send me only those articles that go over a threshhold of 500 combined human attention minutes". of course this can be messed up by hackers who try to skew the ratings. I would suggest a limit on the max time per article per person. 2. I like the idea of a system that keeps track of complaints against given users. it could keep track of the complaint/per age of every subscriber. e.g. hypothetical: LD gets 10 complaints per week, and TCM gets 30 per week on average, and it could allow people to screen the mail based on these numbers, such as a command "send me mail of all users below a 20 complaint/per week value". you could, for either of these approaches, have an "official screening value" in which the owner of the list adjusts these parameters to his liking. just more ideas. I like cpunks generally favor a technological fix that doesn't involve bottlenecks of individual moderator opinions. (2) would be pretty easy to implement inside existing mailing list software, at the majordomo side.

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People Who Need People...
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just going through a web service which, when you enter your city & zip, will bring up all the businesses within that geographical area - Leisure Travel Services etc., then further sub-categorized into Leisure: Restaurants (type: Greek, Italian, Chinese, etc.) Travel: Airlines, Hotels & Motels etc. plus further sub-categories. I was mulling over the all the info which can be quickly pulled up about these people and then remembered that these are not just individual persons whose info I'm looking at, but commercial establishments - companies with services & products which they are offering to anyone. So it's okay. (Why?) Because they *want* to be listed; they want information about themselves to be available to anyone (anyone with money to spend, that is). So it occurred to me: when you need money, you want everyone to know where you are.<g> This could be further generalized into: when you need something, you want everyone to know about it (in case anyone has a solution to your plight). What a different consideration it is, to think of persons separately from their place of business or trade, where they don't want anything to be known or broadcast (except at their individual discretion, consent, release, etc.) When you don't need anything - when you're full, satisfied, and happy - you want 'outsiders' to leave you alone. I think some people can really get confused as to where privacy begins and marketing ends (or is it the other way, I get confused <g>). I know it's happened on this list, where arguments have developed over the fine line of difference between contrasting "rights" to information - i.e, while in the workplace vs while in the front yard on the sidewalk of one's own house or walking around at the mall, etc. Allowance, consent, personal prerogatives, authority over one's decisions & choices - these concepts are all going to require much thought and refinement of demarcation, as the line between being closed or open to others, hidden or exposed, a little bit or a lot, here and/or there, becomes finer and finer while the "net" widens and grows. That is, those who in the past have not felt the need to think much about these things will now be confronted with the necessity of doing so; of considering precisely what the fine line of difference is between conflicting ideas about personal authority, privacy, and public access; what they think is right or wrong, acceptable or intolerable, just from the nature of the circumstances. (like Newt, for instance.) .. Blanc

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Re: RSA challenge: is it legal to try?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:47 PM 1/13/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: > Presumably the RC5 patent (if one is awarded) won't suffer from >the peculiarities of the international patent schemes which made RSA only >patentable in the US. "Pecularities"? If anything, the peculiarities would have been within _US_ law, and not international law. As I understand it, most people cite the requirement that an invention patent must be applied-for BEFORE disclosure as a requirement for most international patents, which explained by RSA wasn't patented outside of the US. Alone, that would have denied non-US patents to RSA. However, such an explanation grandly ignores the fact that computer software (let alone mathematics in general) was not considered patentable ANYWHERE (?) before public-key systems made their appearance in 1976. It also ignores the strong likelihood that the reason for the Patent-Office policy change (done, apparently, without benefit of a corresponding law change) was because with public-key/RSA there was finally an example of software the government wished to deny to the average citizen, and the only mechanism (short of secrecy, which was broken) to do so was to patent it. I'm still waiting for an "innocent" explanation for the US patent office beginning to issue software patents. I don't think there is one. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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17 Dec '03

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