December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: SAFEPASSAGE BRINGS STRONG CRYPTO TO WEB BROWSERS WORLDWIDE
by Douglas Barnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> SAFEPASSAGE BRINGS STRONG CRYPTO TO WEB BROWSERS WORLDWIDE > >BTW, this doesn't come with source code. > No, it does not come with source code. Site licenses and OEM bundling packages will come with a source code option. Partners who work with us in internationalizing the product may also receive source code. However, it did not seem to be useful or appropriate for a consumer-level product like this. We are trying to find a happy medium between making sure that the security is well-reviewed, and doing things that make business sense and map onto standard industry practice for selling software products. Note that SafePassage uses SSLeay for its encryption and SSL protocol layer; SSLeay has publicly available source code, and has been extensively reviewed. Douglas Barnes C2Net

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No Subject
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

oh mindless aga, >> This betrays your ignorance. I.Q. is scaled according to age. One does >> not "improve." Certainly not in your case. > >I have no ignorance, except for being ignorant of stupid people >who call themselves "punks." If you are ignorant of them, then how do you know that they are "stupid"? >Look asshole; it says "LAW DOCTOR" -- that is what "Juris Doctor" >means, stupid. And I am about to stick the motherfucking Laws >right up your cocksucking ASS! How is this possible? It seems that you are possible of rather contemptible contortions! >"Juris" means Law. So Juris Doctor means "Law Doctor." Clinging to technicalities here, aren't we? >that is irrelevant, and you are off-topic. Oooh! Oooh! Point the finger here, aga, at YOURSELF! >Europe is also irrelevant, and you keep missing the point here. >You have added the cypherpunks list again, and that was forbidden. What a wonderful statement: Europe is irrelevant!!! A truly educated mind here. >look asshole, you really want that list killed, do you not? >I have no bounds, as you will soon learn. When one is clapped in irons and thrown into prison for whatever it is that your acts can be classified under, then I am pretty sure they have _some_ bounds. >> > > Be careful who you threaten. It might get you in trouble. One wonders if you ever pay attention to what you actually write, aga? >WRONG! There is NO crime which covers anything that one does >internationally! And mailbombing is NOT "Unauthorized access," >regardless of where it occurs! Uhm...oops, aga, you're wrong here, there are plenty of crimes that are international crimes. War crimes for example, which o against the Geneva convention. Child abduction crimes, which go against the Hague convention. But I am sure they will give you a slight slap on the wrist, after all, you are only a stupid hillbilly with no idea of the law. >Pitt-1975; Dissertation was in 1983 actions. I practiced for >six years, and then became perfect. I currently do not practice for >any parties other than myself, family, corporation or Institutes, >and I need no license for that. And since I do not carry any >license from any State, there is NOTHING that you can do to stop me. Assassination comes to mind... >The State disciplinary board has no jurisdiction, nor does any >Law. A Criminal Lawyer is a specialist in ripping new assholes >on the witness stand, and that must now also be practiced on the net, >it seems. Remember, you are the one who asked for this, "Sadam." You seem to have this absolute _fascination_ with asses, faggots, cocks, and ripping _new_ assholes (as if you weren't a big enough one already. This is obviously some sort of concious repression: you just can't face the truth, can you, aga? >This is a world-wide internet problem that you are about to get >taken care of. You will be among the first locations to be >eliminated. And just remember that your termination is your own >doing. You had your chance to keep the fucking cypherpunks list >OFF of your e-mail to me, and blew it. Do we run and hide now, mommy? >> I suggest a hobby which entails more physical activity. >> > >I pump iron and run three times a week. And as a Tae Kwon Do >black belt holder, I get lots of physical activity. I am in >better physical shape than any other man that you know. He/she/it pumps iron, does he/she/it? Whilst running? No mean feat for a thing without a brain. Assuming that you are better than anyone else you have probably never met, someone who probably has no desire to meet a thing like yourself, is yet another example of your sheer assonance! >And just understand, as far as the internet is concerned, Europe does >not mean SHIT! Of course not...I am sure the European Internet thinks the same as you. After all, an inanimate object seems to think just as much as you! --The Edge

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Re: Bounty Server, Revisited.
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(snip) > BTW, bid to do what? Using market terminology, I have assumed thay > bid is to buy, that is provide cash. Offer is to sell, that is provide > software. Ah, yes, bid is add to bounty. (snip) Ian and Snow, I think it would be extremely valuable to have the ability to "offer" and to "bid". If Joe Student has much spare time and wants to develop a tool for themselves they should also have the option to "offer" it to the bounty server. If any one is interested, offers could be made. Good luck to you both. This sounds like it is coming along. > TTFN > iang. Matt _________________________________________________________________________ Matthew J. Miszewski | <mjmiski(a)execpc.com> Practice Crypto Civil Disobedience | Export your favorite Cryptosystem ------------------------------------------------------------------------- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Star Trek: First Contact
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Are any of the characters in the new Star Trek gay? >The bold guy who plays Captain Picard is very gay in real life. >(He probably hated all those love episodes with women :-) Actually the opposite is the case, he is a notorious womanizer. He played a gay man in the recent remake of La Cage aux Folles and made the point that he has also played Stjannus in "I Claudius" and nobody asked if he was a homicidal maniac. Yet more proof that nothing Dimitri says is relevant or interesting. Phill

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Re: Provably "Secure" Crypto
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:03 AM 11/25/1996, Adam Back wrote: >deGriz (sic) wrote: >> At 4:18 AM 11/26/1996, Peter M Allan wrote: >> >That is a bound on a _reliable_ algorithm. A faster one is to shuffle >> >the elements and present it as sorted. Lightning fast, but only with >> >low probability of correctness. That is what we are up against in a key >> >search attack. The other guy just might guess my 100 bit key first time, >> >millionth time or whatever - early enough anyway. >> >> >So to get a lower bound you have to show that a lucky guess cannot be >> >distinguished from an unlucky one - and if you do that without a one >> >time pad I take my hat off. >> >> If the chance of a successful guess is absurdly low, the algorithm can >> be considered to be secure. It is quite unlikely that you will guess >> a random 128-bit key. > >Agreed. However you _can_ instantly verify once you have guessed. >This makes the algorithm cryptographically secure, but _not_ perfectly >secure as is the case with a OTP with a truly random pad. > >I think we agree, it is just a distinction in definitions of terms. We are in agreement. I would add, for the benefit of others, that it is a good idea to keep in mind that the focus of our work is to build physical systems which are secure. For instance, we determine the primality of numbers using probabilistic methods. This is not "perfect" in the sense that a OTP is, but it is certainly good enough to bet somebody else's life on it. ;-) OTPs, for that matter, are engineering problems, too. It is difficult to find a random number generator in which we have complete confidence. If we buy a board from somebody, how do we know there isn't a back door? How do we know they did a good job? Many commercially available hardware random number generators are of shockingly poor quality. Caveat emptor. diGriz

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RE: Re: wealth and property rights
by jc105558＠spruce.hsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: MX%"dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org" 22-NOV-1996 00:41:58.20 To: MX%"aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk" CC: MX%"freedom-knights(a)kachina.jetcafe.org",MX%"cypherpunks(a)toad.com" Subj: Re: wealth and property rights Return-Path: <cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com> Received: from toad.com by spruce.HSU.EDU (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:41:55 EST Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04549 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org (jetcafe.org [207.155.21.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04544 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02028; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:35:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <199611220235.SAA02028(a)kachina.jetcafe.org> X-Authentication-Warning: kachina.jetcafe.org: Host [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> CC: freedom-knights(a)kachina.jetcafe.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: wealth and property rights Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:35:49 -0800 From: Dave Hayes <dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk > Btw, people of your mentality (communists/socialists) already make it > very difficult for me to accumulate, due to the exhorbitant tax rates > to support those who chose to blow their money as soon as they have > it I don't necessarily want to support "socialism" nor "capitalism". Both are extremes of a situation which does no one any good to exist. However, I would question the implication that "socialists" are responsible for the higher tax rates you currently experience. For example, I could make a strong case that you really have some clever "capitalists" who have learned how to express their "capitalism" quite effectively across the space of all people in a "country". 8-) ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet It is the wise bird who builds his nest in a tree.

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CHANGE: Visa-Free List - How to gain another nationality
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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TIA Invites
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A rep of the Telecommunications Industry Association telephoned to say that TIA has invited authority to investigate disclosure of TIA's TR45.3 to the unworthy.

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Re: Another Nutty Idea about SPAM
by zerkle＠cs.ucdavis.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(apologies if this appears twice...I'm easily confused) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > It is not illegal to make unsolicited phone calls. People must > take an _action_ (request to be removed from call lists) in order > not to be bothered. Yes. However, there is an organization that will send out such a list to a large number of big companies that do telemarketing. If any of those companies call any of the people on the list, they each send a bill for $100. If the bill isn't paid, they sue for the money. They always get the money. The telemarketers really hate these people, which means that they are doing their job. So, for the spammers, what I'm proposing is not that people *need* to take action to avoid getting spammed, but that they *can* take action if they want to get paid for spam. -Dan

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Re: wealth and property rights
by Clay Olbon II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:54 AM 11/27/96 -0800, Dave Kinchlea wrote: >On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Clay Olbon II wrote: >> >> This is provably bullshit. Look at the HUGE numbers of people in this >> country who make the economic decision to do nothing and go on welfare vs. >> going to work. Examine carefully the economic performance of the US vs the > >I don't know how much people get on welfare in your country but I >suspect that it is even less than in this country (Canada). Anyone who >truly believes that people make the `economic decision to do nothing and >go on welfare vs. going to work' has, in my opinion, no &^%* idea what >they are talking about. Just try to *live* on a welfare wage for a few >months to see how silly this thought is. While there may well be a few >`welfare-moms' (which is not necessarily a bad thing, taking care of >children is an investment for society), the vast majority of people on >welfare (at least here) would *much* rather get a decent job and work >for their money. There are, perhaps, a few people who would rather not >work for minimum wage (who find it impossible to feed their family on >that) but I suspect that those folks are few and far between. The average welfare benefit (including food stamps, medicaid, and all the other myriad programs) is $10/hr. Compare to a minimum wage of $5/hr. Offer most welfare recipients a minimum wage job and they will laugh in your face. (In fact, here in Michigan most employers are already paying several $$ above minimum wage, and often these jobs are unfilled). >> More bullshit. You don't know what anyones motives are. To ascribe your >> motivations to Bill Gates is unrealistic. > >But you claim to know the motives of those on welfare: pot->kettle->black I don't claim to know the motives. I am examining empirical evidence. As the welfare benefit increases, more go on welfare, as it decreases, less go on welfare. Someone is making economic decisions, consciously or unconsciously. Clay ******************************************************* Clay Olbon olbon(a)ix.netcom.com engineer, programmer, statistitian, etc. **********************************************tanstaafl

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