December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Another view of anarchy...
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:58 PM 10/6/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 2:26 PM -0700 10/6/96, Greg Broiles wrote: > >As for "assassination politics," I think the theoretical idea of using >betting pools, untraceable payments, etc., are worthwhile _theoretical_ >ideas to discuss, occasionally (indeed, I would hope--seriously!--that the >FBI is aware of such possibilities and is thinking about them). > >For me, there is no one I can think of that I would want killed. Not my >taunters, not my elected officials (though I despise Senator Fineswine), >not court officials, not even the Devil Himself. Clinton, er, I mean >"Saddam Hussein." The Hitler example ("Wouldn't you go back in time and >kill Hitler if you could?") is so hackneyed as to be meaningless. Actually, >I suppose I would be happy if Pol Pot were to die, and maybe Idi Amin (and >I'm not sure both are still alive), but for the most part I don't think >fundamental problems are directly attributable to specific individuals. However, it won't really matter, will it? Unless a person is REALLY atypical, nearly all the people he'd want to see dead are similarly hated by thousands or millions of others, or they are in classes of people who are hated by millions for what they do. (criminals, cops, politicians, and despots both domestic and foreign etc.) That being the case, you personally would probably never have to donate anything; you're pretty well assured that other people will do this "work" for you. This is as it should be, I suppose. Furthermore, most of your potential targets (were you to want to name them) would probably be fully aware of their vulnerability, and would resign or run away or start behaving in hopes of surviving. All this is why I think that the status quo might collapse rather suddenly, as in Eastern Europe 1989, where in the span of a couple weeks the governments fell comparatively bloodlessly. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Did Jesus masturbate ?
by I~nigo Gonzalez 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yes, you guessed right: the Subject came from alt.2600 famous line noise thread.... About Utah, Mormons, Religion /etc... Is someone mailing ciphertext to the list in the form of Noise ???? Please use _plaintext_ or just learn Crypto.

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Dole web site cracked?
by Rick Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- So, I just finished watching the debate and at the very end, Bob Dole suggested that people check out www.dole-kemp.org. I was already on playing decision96.digital.com so I went for it. The first page says ``Oops! You've tried to access the old way. Please choose the new way instead.'' Clicking on `new' gives a black background page with two yellow arrows, one left and one right. The left one gives you ``Nope, you can't go back now''. The Right one gives you www.cg96.org, the Clinton-Gore home page. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMlh5vhj0UvMeUesFAQGzgQP9GlcZb4rRSGcVjdsnvMxOrB2lDdz6KFSw UCjAR/UhQLOs8UW1cHS8vlRljCwf8nDemxOzZ7/JMdTQbiNcdblQbxMGoJusJDal mOOgYJiVSFEBtX07JOp07m1w34GjlFaSTtGKERNCEePxtSO3HDG7V7H3AIoV7xFQ oIBKQmdKQho= =C1w9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rick Campbell <campbell(a)c2.net> ``One of the symptoms of an approaching http://www.c2.net/~campbell/ nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important.'' - Bertrand Russel

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Re: Put up or shut up!
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To elaborate on some points I just made.... >My forum is this list, and a few related places. It's a forum comparable, >modulo the times, to the forums other thinkers have had. I should also add that I am not encouraging _others_ to break the laws I am unwilling to break myself, for financial reasons. You won't find me cheering on people to stop paying taxes, selling secrets about the B-2 bomber to Iran, and so on. >Your mileage may vary, but this "amateur anarchist" intends to keep on >doing what he's doing and is not interested in "crossing the line" to the >point where his assets will be seized. I believe I am more valuable--in terms of meeting the goals I think are reasonable for myself and others, and in terms of ultimately moving things--by doing the work I've done. Now, there are some on this list who believe I should have been programming Macintosh applications instead of writing, and some who apparently believe I should be refusing to pay taxes and fighting the IRS in court, but I believe working on the implications of "crypto anarchy" is both interesting and important. Who, after all, pushed for "remailers" at the first Cypherpunks meeting? Who first (to my knowledge) described how to use the LSB of a digital image to steganographically store messages, in sci.crypt posts in 1989? Who has talked for many years about the implications of digital cash for so many things, including tax policies and government's ability to control transactions? Who coined several phrases, including "Big Brother Inside" (in the Intel logo), "National borders are just speed bumps on the information highway," and other such slogans? Who has attended most physical CP meetings in the Bay Area (a half dozen others have, too)? Who wrote a 1.2 MB FAQ on key issues? Sorry if I sound defensive, but I chafe when I hear nonsense about "Put up or shut up." Going to jail is rarely an effective option. Losing my assets and having to go back to work as a chip physicist even less so. Look, I've talked about some fairly controversial ideas. But, I think, even the various lawyers on the list--Brian Davis, ex-DA, Michael Froomkin, law prof, Black Unicorn, occupation unknown, Greg Broiles, recent law school grad--will have to admit that nothing I have said as an opinion about what _might_ happen, about what the implications of strong cryptography might be, etc., or about what I would _like_ to see happen, is "prosecutable" in any reasonable sense. Sure, Eugene Debs was thrown in jail for arguing the military draft was unconstitutional (so much for _his_ free speech), but that was then and this is now. I don't believe any single post I have ever made could actually result in prosecution, as I have committed no crimes. (Nor, for that matter, do I think Jim Bell has ever really "crossed the line." While some of his posts come perilously close to advocating the murder of public officials, none of them seem to actually do so, nor to provide any proof that he is actually conspiring to create an actual system, even if conspiracy to create such a system could be found to violate a specific law, absent any actual murders, etc.) So, I'll "put up or shut up" by continuing my present path. I reject the idea that one must lay on the tracks as a sacrifice of one's self to the Cause. Usually it's better to suvive and continue fighting in other ways. --Tim May "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Dole crack mirror
by Rick Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I put a copy of the stuff that I found at http://www.dole-kemp.org/ at http://www.c2.net/~campbell/www.dole-kemp.org/ Basically, there was very little to the content: a couple of pages and a few images. The link to the Clinton-Core page was through http://www.dole-kemp.com/ (Note .com rather than .org) where one of the links there redirects immediately to http://www.cg96.org/new/index2.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMliJARj0UvMeUesFAQHW6QP/QL/P49brEIS7Hmw2myu4gL0fikL8Y1dW 03RO2a8IbBZVcN9FPA8FKlcDg5rApvquO83c930Wdihy1Lt1ot28Jlu0wrb1TExk paTWfmFG2kkRf66HvBbW5HYxdDPBUhv6X+WW+TztuLgtau/8p6TB67gyH84QBiYz kExTNxnu/54= =8gCv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rick Campbell <campbell(a)c2.net> ``One of the symptoms of an approaching http://www.c2.net/~campbell/ nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important.'' - Bertrand Russel

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Re: EUB_low
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> in the world, 24 hours a day. A U.S. official said, "The > bank is being investigated for violating U.S. laws with > open solicitations on the Net, which is at best for tax > evasion and at worst for money laundering." > I hate to tell the Feds but the internet is more of an international publication than "High Life" (the BA inflight mag) or the BBC World Service mag (whatever it's name is these days. International publications can advertize offshore accounts and investments. DCF

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Re: ElGamal
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Maysits at his terminal dressed in five-inch stiletto heels, fishnet stockings, a gold-lame mini-skirt, a purple halter with girdle underneath to keep in his flabby gut, A Fredericks of Hollywood padded bra also underneath the halter, a cheap Naomi Sims pink afro wig, waiting to yank his crank whenever a black man responds to one of his posts.

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U.S. presidential debate: URLs, V-Chip, huge databases
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: U.S. presidential debate: URLs, V-Chip, huge databases Tonight's U.S. presidential debate highlighted no embarrassing missteps by either participant. Like the 1992 debate in Richmond, Virginia, it spotlighted the issues. It was classy, not memorable. Except for one sentence that will go down in Net.history -- Bob Dole ended the 90-minute session with what he framed as an appeal to younger voters: "If you really want to get involved, tap into my home page at www.dolekemp96.org. Thank you." Ain't it hip to be a netizen? I didn't hear any other Net-references or mentions of encryption, terrorism legislation, or the CDA during the debate, except for Clinton's continued support of the V-Chip and universal service for schools. He said, "Let's make education our priority... so that every 12-year old can log onto the Internet," adding later that he wanted to wire "all of our classrooms to the Internet by the year 2000." Not one to let an opportunity to preach censorship pass him by, Clinton added: "I supported the V-Chip so parents can control what their kids see... along with rating systems for TV programs." What? Parents can't control their kids, so government must? (I fear what the CDA Round II may bring next summer after the Supreme Court rules, especially if the second try has Congressional backing and support from a Clinton White House. We may see a law demanding "voluntary" ratings of web sites with RSACi in exchange for immunity from prosecution.) Dole called the use of illegal drugs a heinous crime, accusing Clinton of being a "liberal." Then, responding to a get-tough-on-guns challenge from his opponent, Dole suggested a database system that would check your identity and background before allowing you to buy a gun: "You put your card in there and if it says 'tilt' you get nothing. No guns. Zippo." These are hardly the words of someone who gives a rat's ass about privacy. What's worse, elephantine government databases or V-chip style censorship? All I know is that neither of 'em has my vote. -Declan

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RE: Dole web site cracked?
by Alex Filacchione 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- From: Skeeve Stevens[SMTP:skeeve@skeeve.net] Sent: Monday, October 07, 1996 1:10 PM To: campbell(a)c2.net Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Dole web site cracked? You, Rick Campbell, shaped the electrons to say: + +So, I just finished watching the debate and at the very end, Bob Dole +suggested that people check out www.dole-kemp.org. I was already on +playing decision96.digital.com so I went for it. + +The first page says ``Oops! You've tried to access the old +way. Please choose the new way instead.'' Clicking on `new' gives a +black background page with two yellow arrows, one left and one right. +The left one gives you ``Nope, you can't go back now''. The Right one +gives you www.cg96.org, the Clinton-Gore home page. Yeah.... definatly hacked... not much point in mirroring this one. hmm it goes to www.dole-kemp.com which then sends it to cg96.org...... hmmmm the INTERNIC entry for dole-kemp.com looks find... and its a redirect, so they prolly hacked both sites... not sure... anyone else have any ideas? My understanding is that everyone has been fooled. The addresses www.dole-kemp.com and www.dole-kemp.org seem to be spoofed sites. The REAL sites are www.dolekemp96.org and www.dole96.org. These sites have not been touched. Hmm, and I thought that internic was supposed to be watching this stuff (domain names). I wonder if mcdonalds.org is still available... Alex F alexf(a)iss.net

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RE: DESCrack keyspace partitioning
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: Re: DESCrack keyspace partitioning of course, any number in the range of a random number generator is theoretically as likely/unlikely to appear. however, consider the case in which DES keys are generated from ascii sequences or words that people enter in at password prompts, which is in fact how the unix passwd file word. these obviously have far less randomness and Gary's attempt to narrow the keyspace is highly relevant. >> Gary? also, I took his post as suggesting that some parts of the keyspace ought to be searched at higher priority than others. in the above example, keys that correspond to ascii sequences typable on a keyboard should be searched first in the keyspace. >> Something like that. a lot of systems use DES only in conjuction with a one-time-key generated for a particular message. (similar to the way PGP uses IDEA for the session key, and transmits this encoded key using RSA). in general I would say these could be considered random in a way that the previous "less-than-random" property doesn't hold. >> Depends. Not if generated by certain processes that **tend** to produce non-entropic values. But I have more work to do on this....

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