December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

wealth and property rights
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If the free market is a good thing, that it's a democratic way of getting the best to the top of the economic ladder, then I see no reason why this should not also apply to politics. The people have every right to use democracy to establish a non-democratic system re: abolishment of the wealthy as a class and sentencing the entire Forbes 400 and their underlings to 25 years at forced labor, say 16 hour days at picking vegetables under the pain of the knouted whip. No Libertarian could oppose the use of the political free market of democracy for undemocratic ends; that would violate the spirit of liberty! -- Cheers!

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cause for alarm
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The dec96 issue of _cause for alarm_ has hit the web. You can get to it via the home page, at: http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause/ _cause for alarm_ is a zine which explores threats to freedom of speech, as well as other online freedoms. This month's features focus on the persecution of Bernie S, and the landmark Bernstein v US Department of State crypto case. Past topics have included a primer on starting local activist groups, Intel's hosing of Perl wizard Randal Schwartz, and the Church of Scientology. Also, interviews with prominent Net activists. I'm seeking contributions for future issues. If you'd like more info, point your web browser at: http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause/submit.html Or send email to richieb(a)teleport.com with the words "submission guidelines" (without the quotes) in the subject line of your message. Rich Burroughs Editor and Publisher, cause for alarm http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause/

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Re: PICS is not censorship
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:02 PM 12/7/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >So, as long as PICS is fully voluntary, and I mean _fully_ voluntary, civil >libertarians will likely not object. After all, it's just a system _some_ >other people (maybe even most) are voluntarily adhering to. However, the >pressure to stop "rogues" from "subverting" the PICS system by either not >using it, or by deliberately monkeywrenching it, will be enormous. The last time I looked at PICS, there was a mode where sites were checked against a third party "PICS server", and a mode which used signed ratings. Now I am not saying these modes can't be hacked. I don't remember the details well enough. But they should be somewhat resistant to problems with false self-rating. (How these "PICS servers" and "Rating signers" keep up with the number of sites and the growth of web page publishing is not at all clear. It would seem to me that it would require many people. Perhaps the Christian Coalition can put together a cooperative effort among their members.) Note that the "PICS server" approach has major privacy problems. However, I don't think that many censors are interested in privacy, so they may not be a barrier to censorious parents. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I still read when I should | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | be doing something else. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | It's a vice. - R. Heinlein | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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A Message From Sue
by sue1968＠ix17.ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: What's a "fingerprint" ?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Subject: Re: What's a "fingerprint" ? Sorry punks, my mailer somehow posted my reply to this question 5 or 6 times, the spam was not intentional... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: "Family Channel" of the Internet?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> inspected and approved. He said that they were going to do this, again I > quote, "using the same encryption that Visa and Mastercard use." The > last statment pegged my bogometer, of course. Sounds distinctly bogus to me... > 1) Is it technically possible for them to limit access to only approved > IP addresses? If so, how can they do this, and is it possible to get > around these measures. Yes, there are a number of ways probably the easiest of which would be a proxy server. A number of corporations have these set up so their employees spend more time looking at relevant information and less looking at porn sites ;-) > 3) In general, how would you use crypto to ensure that your users only > connected to approved sites, regardless of the platform or browser > software they were using? I assume here he means that the pages will be encrypted at the ISP end and the browser will only decrypt the pages the user logged on at that time has access to. This all sounds very confused to me, he is talking bollocks I would wager. > I asked the guy to send me some technical details. If I receive them, > I'll share unless he makes me sign an NDA. I would be interested to see them but would guess at this point he doesn`t quite understand what he`s talking about himself... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: cypher-PUNKS...
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More fan mail from John Gilmore and his friends: >Received: from random.sp.org (deviant(a)random.sp.org [152.52.195.2]) by random.sp.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA08153 for <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com>; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 05:39:40 GMT >Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 05:38:57 +0000 (GMT) >From: The Deviant <deviant(a)pooh-corner.com> >X-Sender: deviant(a)random.sp.org >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Subject: Re: cypher-PUNKS... >In-Reply-To: <gTykyD29w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.94.961208053743.8090B-100000(a)random.sp.org> >Organization: The Silicon Pirates >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >> "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: >> > I've initiated more threads on crypto-related and politico-crypto topics >> > than nearly anyone else. >> >> Ritalin, attacks on Mormons, assault rifles, attacks on "crazy Russians"... >> >> Crackpot spammer Timmy May (fart) lies again. > >Dimitri, just go away. Tim _has_ initiated more crypto-relivant >discussions on this list than anybody else I can think of, and the only >thing I've seen you initiating around here is spam wars. Just go the hell >away. > > --Deviant Silly Deviant, How could Timmy May initiate a crypto-relevant thread if he knows nothing about crypto? Timmy posted a series of message via anonymous remailers praising himself and calling himself "a genius among geniuses" or some such. What a moron.

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KEE_pin
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NYT reports today on the administration's new national security team and the formulation of policy to focus on international crime as a national security threat. Cited are thriving Russian black marketers selling hardware, software, and skills developed by the USSR; high-technology which has speeded communication and dissolved national borders; the diffusion of many enemies rather than a single superpower. The nature of crime has changed. No longer limited to drugs, terrorism and flight from justice, now there's money laundering, kidnapping, smuggling, credit card scams, even auto theft. It describes measures to combat this threat to all nations by cooperating and competing foreign affairs, intelligence and law-enforcement agencies around the world. None so trusting of each other. Some fund- and purpose-scrambling agencies klaxon that international crime is now as grave as nuclear proliferation and ethnic conflict. The three threats may merge, and new nations are at greatest peril. Which supports the administration's bulldogged clamp on crypto export limits: if we knew what they knew about rogue, ex-officials arranging their future with successors inside -- they need to communicate in private. What crypto will Perry, Deutch and consorts use to keep secrets among the few who know what we don't -- yet? Cryptanalysts, dissolve borders set by secret pacts. ----- KEE_pin

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Re: PICS is not censorship
by Robin Whittle 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I agree to a certain extent with Timothy May about the potential for content labelling of Internet resources being made compulsory in the US. The country seems at times to be run be run by nutcases and their elected representatives. There are huge swings in fashion regarding prohibition, liberty etc. To the extent that this is a risk, lets hope it is only an American problem. I understand that the Australian Broadcasting Authority http://www.dca.gov.au/aba/invest.htm does not recommend compulsory labelling. thad(a)hammerhead.com (Thaddeus J. Beier) wrote: > I suppose the a better solution would have been to have many competing > private rating services, but PICS will work well, not put much load on > the net, and is transparent and simple. I like it. This may be seen to imply that PICS is a ratings service or a single set of values. It is not. PICS is a protocol for labelling things, either within themselves or labelling them remotely. There can be any number of value systems for labelling things. See my site for links to the PICS site and some discussion. However, talk of "compulsory PICS" really must mean that all content be labelled with a PICS protocol label (presumably inside the resource itself) according to _at_least_one_ globally or nationally mandated value system. Even with a descriptive rather than an evaluative value system (see ABA Chairman's recent speech at above link) I think it would take years to come up with a descriptive value system which would be generally useful for filtering material according to child protection, cultural specific issues (like Singapore banning horse race tipping and astrology) and protecting adults/employees from violence, erotica, gambling etc. etc. Then the value system would be impossibly complex. Then, how would you decide whether something was properly labelled. This is probably off topic for Cypherpunks (if that is indeed possible) so I won't say any more. - Robin . Robin Whittle . . http://www.ozemail.com.au/~firstpr firstpr(a)ozemail.com.au . . 11 Miller St. Heidelberg Heights 3081 Melbourne Australia . . Ph +61-3-9459-2889 Fax +61-3-9458-1736 . . Consumer advocacy in telecommunications, especially privacy . . . . First Principles - Research and expression - music, . . music industry, telecommunications . . human factors in technology adoption. . . . Real World Interfaces - Hardware and software, especially . . for music .

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Gosh, now I feel much better...
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Sun Dec 08 12:31:18 1996 http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/9arms.htm Has an interesting story by by Peter Cary, Douglas Pasternak and Penny Loeb, about big mother's great care in disposing of munitions; including, but not at all limited to, encryption. For sale are attack helicopter partss, bombs, missiles, guidance systems, howitzer parts, computers, and yes, military cryptosystems. While by law all these things are supposed to be demilitarized, they aren't in many cases. They are instead evidently sold as scrap (and at scrap prices) and go to nice countries like China. If it were closer to April 1st, I would doubt this story is real. <sigh> According to the assistant U.S. attorney in Sacramento, "The scope of this program and the amount of materiel going out the door is so huge, people normally don't believe you. Only the government could have a program where they give everything away for free and they screw it up." Couldn't have said it better myself... JMR Regards, Jim Ray DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. -- me Please note new 2000bit PGPkey & address <jmr(a)shopmiami.com> PGP id.A7D63DA9 98 1F 39 BA 93 86 B4 F5 57 52 64 0E DA BA 2C 71 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBMqr7ajUhsGSn1j2pAQG8dAfQrBqvkOgXWaT507n5mxYX7kGYDr2hSEz+ cgVkTlipih2ThLRfLWlgO8+cwodifUkQDCAdpA1GKqCJL08ZBdnRex+ecygcrKP/ 84pIa2PfOtpeK6Srggpp8X5/aodBDlsZR2n++rJA1b65m6T54g6LvDrEwiv9dStR /4VaMGlAz465XbgjPmCQ5ME44p7cKk0ZQ/Q3kKdpyZTfRC6H+Xl1PVQq87dm1eYQ ibyA3VzFRGAIy9lLdMW4RuGoCqw0yKpdaVY8Bjhv8LVWUkETADbfCWPG3gXmkpV/ Hm4tEvdtV99wXygyjTBd1zlbKTuZa0GPd46reBJlo5Xylg== =kZ+Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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