December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

na673130@anon.penet.fi gone [Anonymous service rejected your mail.] (fwd)
by Andy Dustman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Looks like Spambo either deleted his id or Julf pulled the plug on him. Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA ===== For PGP public key: finger andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu | pgp -fka ===== Sure, the Telecomm Act will create jobs: 100,000 new thought-cops on the net http://charon.chem.uga.edu/~andy mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu <}+++< - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 04:36:13 +0300 From: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi To: andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail. You, andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu, have requested mail forwarding to na673130. This was rejected, as the user is unknown. Either the id has never been allocated, or the id has been removed at the request of the user. Contents of message follows: [deleted] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjdsIy0jMb7JduJJAQHl1AQAoLN85rIEqLBSKm/0dVjj7eD/aDh6lpKX B75xki8v20+LFku9ddXy1rb8KEKqnMVy/WSGlB18gNvqFJTbw4obzB4/M+df3JPy 893mVkaJd24d+OZWYwTx1Nc19VIho9WXSC/8ohJhVN+R44R4+yWjHzupCAMxGfiY wWzgMqQXlwI= =7KZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Jury Nullification = Voting One's Conscience
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:18 PM 9/11/96, Brian Davis wrote: >On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, jonathon wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Gary Howland wrote: >> >> > > But the public *is* asked to assent to those methods - your chance >>to vote >> > > on them is known colloquially as "jury duty". >> >> But judges have said that Jury Nullification is not acceptable >> legal practice. > >And other judges have said the opposite. And I don't think there has _ever_ been a case of a juror prosecuted/jailed for voting his or her conscience, regardless of jury instructions. Short of explicitly selling one's vote, or discussing the case during deliberations with outsiders (and probably not even then), one is essentially free to vote one's conscience (however foolishly, as the O.J. case showed). And the principle is a good one: jurors should not have to fear prosecution for voting their consciences, regardless of technical details imposed by a judge. And, of course, jurors are not required to give a court their "reasons" for voting as they do. Though I often condemn aspects of the American political and legal system, it is true that an awful lot of things are done right. --Tim May, who served _once_ on a jury (for a speeding case) in 1973, who was called once since then, but not actually called for a jury. (I vote every election, I am duly registered with the DMV, so I wonder why I have only served once in 24+ years of eligibility.) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:13 PM 9/11/96 -6, Peter Trei wrote: > >The differences between US and European nomenclature can be subtle, yet >important. Quick - which is likely to have had warmer weather: 1/8/96, or >8/1/96? Sorry to add more complication, but "northern or southern latitude?" Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sirs: I must agree that having a website invites unsolicited e-mail, if only to comment that people have seen the site. I send unsolicited e-mail to website owners as part of my marketing plan. On Or About: 11 Sep 96 at 21:34, Andy Dustman wrote: > You're sending out messages, inviting people to visit your web site, but > you're using anonymous remailers because... you don't want people to know > who you are? Then why invite them to your site (or even have a site)? That's what makes it smell fishy. When I send unsolicited e-mail I give up the whole deal: phone number and all. If someone complains, I make great effort to never contact that person again. Either you want people to know who you are or you don't. > Which is precisely what you're doing: Sending someone e-mail > costs them time and it often costs them money. As I said having a website invites comments. It's like being a public figure. In effect you are publishing your e-mail address. > 4) It's giving us a bad > rap, man, and that's the *last* thing the remailer net needs now. > The remailers of the world don't exist > to provide non-anonymous anonymous advertising, which you could do just as > well on your own sending forged e-mail headers from netcom. Just like all the seedy low life multi-level-marketing jerks! No need to use a remailer for that. Just 2 cents worth. Ross =========== Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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[Fwd: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]]
by HipCrime 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Hellen Keller To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam] From: Admin <admin(a)superhot.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:20:35 -0600 Cc: remailer-operators(a)c2.org Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >This is an absurd and inaccurate analogy. The mailBot simply pushes >*mailto:* tags that people have willingly placed on their public websites. >They invite the mail so a more accurate analogy would be that City Hall puts >up a public suggestion box and invites comments. The bot then puts one, and >only one, unsigned anonymous suggestion into the box. It then goes on to the >Art Gallery where they too have put up a public suggestion box, and the bot >places one, and only one, anonymous suggestion in that box also...and it >moves on to the next publicly accessable suggestion box that it finds, each >time putting in one, and only one, message. > >Can the College-aged mind these days not develop a rational, concise, >accurate and logical analogy that stays on point? > >Think about it... or take down the public suggestion boxes if one doesn't >like what one finds inside. If you invite feedback...it will come. > >admin > > >There is >> >>HipCrime <na673130(a)anon.penet.fi> wrote: >>> Be honest, all you really care about is something which >>> "threatens the existence" your little baby. >> >>I think you were referring to yourself, Robert. :) >> >> >>Since you don't seem to understand the concept of spam very well yet, >>try this little experiment: >> >>Go downtown to City Hall and post advertisements for your website on >>all the walls and doors. Be sure to put one on the Mayor's office and >>all the members of the City Council. If they complain, explain to them >>why they are weak-minded souls who can't remove unwanted messages. >> >>Go to the local art gallery and post your signs all over. Tell people >>that since your web site is an "art project", that you are posting EXACTLY >>on topic, to an "appropriate group". Ask, "So, what's your problem ?!?" >> >>Pass out survey forms. Ask people where they want to see advertisements. >>Go to these sites and spray-paint your http address. If people complain >>that you are "harassing" them, ask them why a whopping eighteen letters >>written on the wall is harassment. Tell them it's not *your* fault, >>that you're just doing what other people told you to. Explain how many >>trees you are saving by using spray-paint instead of paper. >> >>When the police handcuff you and take you away, complain that they are >>censoring you. Tell the judge that you want to sue the cops for violating >>your civil rights. While you're in jail, think about why what you did >>was wrong. <>________________Lowest_Priced_Long_Distance__________________<> ||Long Distance 9.9¢/min |Helping hardworking people || ||9.9¢ Anytime, Anywhere in US! |like yourself pay the || ||Free sign-up, 6 second billing |lowest possible price for || ||http://www.superhot.com/phone |high quality LD service. || <>-----------------------1_303_692_5190------------------------<>

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What is best policy paper on crypto?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I happen to know that an influential Congresspern will be meeting with some Cato folks tomorrow morning, so I'm assuming this isn't an idle request. -Declan // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com // ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:46:09 -0400 From: Solveig Bernstein <sberns(a)cato.org> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: What is best policy paper on crypto? If you folks were to pick one policy paper or book or magazine article that did the best job of explaining why export controls on crypto were bad, and/or why key escrow is not a good idea, which one would you pick? I'm looking for something that would be helpful to a Congressperson. Please feel free to e-mail suggestions to me privately so as not to clutter up the list. ********************************************************************** Solveig Bernstein, Esq. (202) 789-5274 (202) 842-3490 (fax) Assistant Director of Telecommunications & Technology Studies Cato Institute 1000 Mass. Ave. NW Washington, DC 20001

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That Evil Internet, Pt. XXIII
by drose＠AZStarNet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Caught an interesting segment on this evening's PBS news program with Jim Lehrer. Two senators were discussing whether the U.S. should sign the international agreement banning chemical warfare. Sen. Kyl maintains that verification is impossible and that Iraq, Libya, and North Korea will never participate. Sen. Nunn responds that we should sign anyway. Besides, he adds in the non sequitur of the week, anyone can get instructions on how to build chemical weapons on the Internet. I guess the Internet isn't just for pornography and conventional bomb-making advice anymore. Dave Rose

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:56:10 -0400 (EDT), Mark O. Aldrich wrote: >After having traveled in Europe, I was certainly familiar with the >difference in the notation. You also think, however, that I would have >paid more attention to what the hell I was reading before I shot off my >mouth (via my keyboard), but I didn't. I think this is called a "brain >fart" (note to our European brothers and sisters - over there, I think you >call it a "mental fugue" or "Parliamentary election," I'm nor sure which). I've always wondered if the makers of mailer software couldn't include a delay option, so that, say, a message might be held for 10 minutes and then sent. Imagine how many of the "Sorry about x; I meant y" posts we'd never see. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # cadams(a)acucobol.com | V.M. (619)515-4894 "I have never been able to figure out why anyone would want to play games on a computer in any case when the whole system is a game. Word processing, spreadsheets, telecoms -- it's all a game. And they pay you to play it." -- Duncan Frissell

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Re: (Fnord) Edupage, 10 September 1996
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >************************************************************ >Edupage, 10 September 1996. Edupage, a summary of news about information >technology, is provided three times a week as a service by Educom, >a Washington, D.C.-based consortium of leading colleges and universities >seeking to transform education through the use of information technology. >************************************************************ > >TOP STORIES > Wired World Will "Diminish National Sovereignty" >[..] >WIRED WORLD WILL "DIMINISH NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY" >A leading Clinton Administration official on information security and >cryptography matters says that traditional notions of sovereignty, national >security and warfare will be undermined by the year 2020, when the whole >world is "wired" and e-cash is the norm. 24 years from now? He thinks it'll take that long?!? 24 years _ago_ the 4004 microprocessor barely existed. And if anything, change is accelerating very rapidly. >The result will be less powerful >governments in relation to criminal organizations such as the Mafia and >international drug cartels, Organizations which exist only because of the existence of government... >says Michael Nelson, who adds that organized >crime members are already some of the most sophisticated users of computer >systems and strong encryption technology. In addition, computer crackers >will pose a more significant threat. In response, Nelson advocates >resolving the issue of whether unauthorized access of a computer is an "act >of trespass" or an "act of war," and prosecuting the intrusions accordingly. >(BNA Daily Report for Executives 6 Sep 96 A14) I'd sure like to be able to corner this guy and point out that there are people who believe that _regulating_ the Internet should either be considered an "act of trespass" or an "act of war." And does he want to be punished, or merely stopped? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting Saturday 9/14, 12-6PDT, Stanford
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The monthly Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be held Saturday, September 14th, at the picnic tables outside Tressider Hall at Stanford University. Lunch and general hanging out begin at 12:00, Program begins at 1:00. The coffee shop at Tressider will be open, though the main cafeteria won't be. Some items on the agenda include John Gilmore's SWAN project, Encrypting 5% of the net by Christmas Highlights of Crypto '96 meeting in Santa Barbara Bagels and bagel paraphrenalia The remailer crisis - anon.penet.fi, creative new spammer attacks Censorship Firewalls for SG, CN, DE, etc. - designing workarounds The Bernstein Lawsuit - court date is Friday Sept. 20 Bring show&tell items. You can find a map of the Stanford campus on the web at http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/campus-map.html To confuse Stanford alumni, the map has been realigned with the North end up, so visitors can use it. From Campus Drive East, turn North on Mayfield Ave, turn right on Lagunita Dr, and park in the lot. Walk north to Tressider, and the tables are on the west=left side. Look for the crowd of drug smugglers, money launderers, and Suspicious Persons. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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