December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: talker
by saione＠primenet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CC`d to cypherpunks mailing list: I recieved this this afternoon (11/9/96), this has gone far enough, would anyone here care to join me in mailbombing this guy? just reply this mail to him at doom13(a)juno.com about 100 times or so, if we get about 100 people to do this it should generate enough traffic to close his account down. my reply to his mail is at the bottom: > Listen up you son of a bitch! Don't fucker call me a peice of horse shit > you cocksucker or I'll mailbomb your ass so many times you won't even > think of replying. You don't know shit about my hacking mother fucker. > Fuck you and go suck on some media crypto pussy shit. Listen you spotty socially unskilled adolescent masturbator: Your petty and pathetic claims amuse me, I laugh at your worthless and dirty existance peon. What have you ever hacked, have you broken any encryption codes, have you found security weaknesses by new and ingenious methods, have you practised within the hacker ethic? I think not You are a *WANNABEE*, a punk who knows not the slightest thing about systems security, can`t code, and couldn`t hack his way out of a wet paper bag, your mailbombing threats are about as technical as you can get. in addition your flames show no linguistic creativity, just a bunch of crude words thrown together, get an education you trailer butt-fucker. Mailbomb me, go ahead punk, make my day, if you dare to even think about doing so I will kick your ass, I will hurt you in ways you cannot imagine, I have carried out vindictive personal vendettas before and will do so again if necessary. Go on, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker. Yours with the greatest respect: Paul Bradley MbM Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Http://www.fatmans.demon.co.uk/crypt/ "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAjH9j+cAAAEEAMBvREiQR0ot9dFCO0TiSCSunAYLv2g1Bc6I3bz8FzKXNH53 6mieJf/W4rD+CxJpT0q9RQaaoRtkHJLwbjfK2il3D7mEahMAyqvF/xRJNqkXfhM3 sRJM0Jh43l+W0M5vwokbEbk25/bxWWGspTsLD3YHbzKnG6pOcL5OPIRbv66xAAUR tCdQYXVsIEJyYWRsZXkgPHBhdWxAZmF0bWFucy5kZW1vbi5jby51az4= =riHc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Court challenge to AOL junk-mail blocks
by watson＠tds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

NetSurfer said: If you know a valid email address on the spammers system you can always bounce each message back to them. If enough people turned the messages back on them it might give them the opportunity to experience first hand what its like to receive tons of mail you don't want or need... Doesn't seem to work that well. The "green card lawyers" were reported to have received hate-mail in the hundreds of thousands. The happily waded through it all and pulled out a few valid replies who apparently made it all a net profit for them, apparently. What we really need is to improve our defensive filtering mechanisms. Someday soon we'll all have our own personal software agents that will handle all this stuff for us. Optimistic Dave

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[Fwd: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam]]
by HipCrime 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does this maillist filter out messages from NON-subscribers? To: HipCrime <robert(a)precipice.V-site.net> Subject: Nonsense, absolute nonsense... [Fwd: HipCrime and Spam] From: Admin <admin(a)superhot.com> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:14:26 -0600 Cc: CYPERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM, Geoff White <geoffw(a)precipice.V-site.net>, <julf(a)penet.fi>, jlasser(a)rwd.goucher.edu At 01:52 PM 9/11/96 -0700, you wrote: This is an absurd and inaccurate analogy. The mailBot simply pushes *mailto:* tags that people have willingly placed on their public websites. They invite the mail so a more accurate analogy would be that City Hall puts up a public suggestion box and invites comments. The bot then puts one, and only one, unsigned anonymous suggestion into the box. It then goes on to the Art Gallery where they too have put up a public suggestion box, and the bot places one, and only one, anonymous suggestion in that box also...and it moves on to the next publicly accessable suggestion box that it finds, each time putting in one, and only one, message. Can the College-aged mind these days not develop a rational, concise, accurate and logical analogy that stays on point? Think about it... or take down the public suggestion boxes if one doesn't like what one finds inside. If you invite feedback...it will come. admin There is > >HipCrime <na673130(a)anon.penet.fi> wrote: >> Be honest, all you really care about is something which >> "threatens the existence" your little baby. > >I think you were referring to yourself, Robert. :) > > >Since you don't seem to understand the concept of spam very well yet, >try this little experiment: > >Go downtown to City Hall and post advertisements for your website on >all the walls and doors. Be sure to put one on the Mayor's office and >all the members of the City Council. If they complain, explain to them >why they are weak-minded souls who can't remove unwanted messages. > >Go to the local art gallery and post your signs all over. Tell people >that since your web site is an "art project", that you are posting EXACTLY >on topic, to an "appropriate group". Ask, "So, what's your problem ?!?" > >Pass out survey forms. Ask people where they want to see advertisements. >Go to these sites and spray-paint your http address. If people complain >that you are "harassing" them, ask them why a whopping eighteen letters >written on the wall is harassment. Tell them it's not *your* fault, >that you're just doing what other people told you to. Explain how many >trees you are saving by using spray-paint instead of paper. > >When the police handcuff you and take you away, complain that they are >censoring you. Tell the judge that you want to sue the cops for violating >your civil rights. While you're in jail, think about why what you did >was wrong. > <>________________Lowest_Priced_Long_Distance__________________<> ||Long Distance 9.9¢/min |Helping hardworking people || ||9.9¢ Anytime, Anywhere in US! |like yourself pay the || ||Free sign-up, 6 second billing |lowest possible price for || ||http://www.superhot.com/phone |high quality LD service. || <>-----------------------1_303_692_5190------------------------<>

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NewsBytes ****Singapore - Leased Line Customers Bypass Censorship
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

****Singapore - Leased Line Customers Bypass Censorship By Martyn Williams. Individual users of the Internet in Singapore may not be able to access the latest online images from Playboy after next Monday, but those at major corporations and large companies will find no restrictions to their World Wide Web surfing. [Newsbytes, (I just have the header, not the full article; sorry.) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # <A HREF="http://idiom.com/~wcs"> # You can get PGP software outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto

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Re: Child porn as thoughtcrime
by Chuck Thompson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well Andrew, pornography is meant to lead to arousal, which can lead to aggression, which may lead to abuse. It's a fairly common path according to what I've read on deviancy. Following is one association's opinion, but don't stop there, read for yourself what some of the deviants themselves have to say: <http://www.casti.com/NMV/html/nmv19.html> An excerpt from the American Pyschiatric Association <http://vanbc.wimsey.com/~igregson/philias.html At 01:59 PM 9/11/96 -0500, you wrote: >> The argument is not dependent upon whether or not actual >> children are used, any more than whether or not an actual gun >> is used in a robbery - the net effect is the same. Children >> are harmed by the promotion of child porn because it leads to >> the abuse/exploitation of kids. > >I don't believe you. Prove that drawings of children having sex leads to >the abuse/explaitation of kids. Provide some evidence... > > >andrew > Regards, Chuck Thompson

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RE: Child Porn as Thoughtcrime
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Chuck Thompson , a True Believer, inquired: > >What in the devil are you trying to say? Maybe I'm one of those stupid >citizen units. I just don't get it - I'd like to, but I don't. How about >rephrasing your comments so that us average citizen units can understand >your wisdom. >........................................................... > > >Well then I'll spell it out for you: > >. I actually said that it is "a government" which will posture as >sympathetic towards the whiningH^H^H^H^H^Hconcerns of citizens. > >. Political candidates very well know that citizens (voters) are looking for >someone to save them from what ails them. Therefore many candidates will >make the right statements about upholding similar values. They start making >sounds like they are going to "do something about it" (about whatever the >latest issue is). And their supporters will like these sounds. Reagan >made a quote about this sometime, something like: "They may not hear the >lyrics, but they hear the music." The voters feel good because they expect >that their discomfort will be taken care of. Therefore they vote for the >candidate most positive towards their needs. The candidate is elected to >the office for which they are running and thereby achieve their goal. > >. The more that voters seek the attention of government assistance for their >myriad problems, the more that the sphere of government involvement in the >details of everyone's daily lives enlarges. This enlargement of the >government sphere of involvement, as encouraged by citizens, expands as >people find more things to complain about. The more personal control over >their problems which they abdicate to the government, the more control it >accrues. > >. Of course a government does not want to appear to be in totalitarian >control. Many citizens do want *someone* to be in control, however. They >want a benevolent overseer to be in control. As the scope of benevolent >services, as controlled by government, spreads out across the land, many >people are happy that someone is in control. > >. Some people are so happy about benevolent government control that they >want it extended towards things like their own moral preferences. Any time >that they see the evidence of anything contrary to their own moral >preferences, they want these visible signs of contrariness removed. Moral >preferences and how they relate to national circumstances are a tricky >subject for governors and legislators. But if it makes the citizens happy >and keeps the governors in office, they are willing to oblige in removing >these offenses by pursuing the "offenders". > > . Reducing the expressions of these offenders helps the governors, because >it enhances their position of control. It helps to legitimize their >activities and again enlarges their arena, their domain, of command. They >can become quite meticulous in determining what may or may not be expressed >or said which might be offensive to someone - in particular, to themselves >(because it may weaken their image of being benevolent and "in command" of >the situation). > >. At that point, anyone who can think in the abstract will be able to see >that, as expression derives from thought, that what is wrong therefore with >all of the "offenders" is their thoughts. That is why TC May called this >kind of offense the equivalent of "thought crime". There is a book about >"thought crimes" against the State which you may have heard about, though you >may not have read. > >. Thought and its relationship to the State is a deep and complex >philosophical subject. There are many posts in the cpunk archives which can >provide you with insights into the anarcho-capitalist libertarian position. > >. If you need any more details on "thought criminality", maybe Tim can >answer them for you, as he's the one who brought up the subject. I was >merely agreeing with him. <g> > > .. >Blanc > >

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Re: China joins Singapore, Germany, ....
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:43 PM 9/10/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I respectfully disagree. I spend most of my time going through sites like >cnn.com, hotwired.com, news.com, altavista.digital.com, yahoo.com, >lycos.com, hotbot.com, eff.org, well.com, mit.edu, whitehouse.gov, and so >on. Search engines and directories, in particular, are good chokepoints to >block. > >Blocking 100 sites would certainly be significant to me -- as long as >they're the right ones. Before the technical fixes, that is. But aren't you, the Nazis, Lee Kwan Yew, and the Heathen Chinee all committing the "Web Fallacy" -- the belief that the Web = The Net? Have you seen *any* examples of mailing list censorship? Even the mild newsgroup censorship attempts are easily dodged by picking up your news from a distant server (which is not a *technological* fix but an ordinary part of reading news since many ISPs don't carry all 30K of groups in any case). If almost all sites are ignored, if news is available from thousands of servers, and if mailing lists, IRC, telnet, ftp, gopher, etc are ignored; can we say that there is much actual net censorship going on? DCF "The Net -- where any 12 year old can defeat the governments of the world with 15 minutes work."

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na673130@anon.penet.fi gone [Anonymous service rejected your mail.] (fwd)
by Andy Dustman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Looks like Spambo either deleted his id or Julf pulled the plug on him. Andy Dustman / Computational Center for Molecular Structure and Design / UGA ===== For PGP public key: finger andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu | pgp -fka ===== Sure, the Telecomm Act will create jobs: 100,000 new thought-cops on the net http://charon.chem.uga.edu/~andy mailto:andy@CCMSD.chem.uga.edu <}+++< - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 04:36:13 +0300 From: daemon(a)anon.penet.fi To: andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu Subject: Anonymous service rejected your mail. You, andy(a)ccmsd.chem.uga.edu, have requested mail forwarding to na673130. This was rejected, as the user is unknown. Either the id has never been allocated, or the id has been removed at the request of the user. Contents of message follows: [deleted] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjdsIy0jMb7JduJJAQHl1AQAoLN85rIEqLBSKm/0dVjj7eD/aDh6lpKX B75xki8v20+LFku9ddXy1rb8KEKqnMVy/WSGlB18gNvqFJTbw4obzB4/M+df3JPy 893mVkaJd24d+OZWYwTx1Nc19VIho9WXSC/8ohJhVN+R44R4+yWjHzupCAMxGfiY wWzgMqQXlwI= =7KZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Jury Nullification = Voting One's Conscience
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:18 PM 9/11/96, Brian Davis wrote: >On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, jonathon wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Gary Howland wrote: >> >> > > But the public *is* asked to assent to those methods - your chance >>to vote >> > > on them is known colloquially as "jury duty". >> >> But judges have said that Jury Nullification is not acceptable >> legal practice. > >And other judges have said the opposite. And I don't think there has _ever_ been a case of a juror prosecuted/jailed for voting his or her conscience, regardless of jury instructions. Short of explicitly selling one's vote, or discussing the case during deliberations with outsiders (and probably not even then), one is essentially free to vote one's conscience (however foolishly, as the O.J. case showed). And the principle is a good one: jurors should not have to fear prosecution for voting their consciences, regardless of technical details imposed by a judge. And, of course, jurors are not required to give a court their "reasons" for voting as they do. Though I often condemn aspects of the American political and legal system, it is true that an awful lot of things are done right. --Tim May, who served _once_ on a jury (for a speeding case) in 1973, who was called once since then, but not actually called for a jury. (I vote every election, I am duly registered with the DMV, so I wonder why I have only served once in 24+ years of eligibility.) We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Hacking Mobil Telephone System ?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:13 PM 9/11/96 -6, Peter Trei wrote: > >The differences between US and European nomenclature can be subtle, yet >important. Quick - which is likely to have had warmer weather: 1/8/96, or >8/1/96? Sorry to add more complication, but "northern or southern latitude?" Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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