December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 16:56:55 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Jon Lebkowsky" <jonl(a)well.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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Deleted Message (fwd)
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cute eh? -- I hate lightning - finger for public key - Vote Monarchist unicorn(a)schloss.li ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 17:00:49 -24000 From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil To: unicorn(a)schloss.li Subject: Deleted Message To: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> From: MQG-SMTP3@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers[<unicorn(a)schloss.li>] Subject: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly? Message in Transport deleted by: ADMINISTRATOR@USMC_MASTERINET@Servers

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No Subject
by gsi＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(Fwd) Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky.
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- to: Bill Gates, Microsoft Corp. From: jf_avon(a)citenet.net Date: 8 sept 1996 Cc.: cypehrpunks(a)toad.com Mr. Gates Could you please enlighten me about this proposed system and about the veracity of the following information? Thanks jfa - -- Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies R&D consultants: physicists technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 06:22:47 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> Subject: Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Teledesic, the censored internet in the sky. Late last year the organized violence monopolies of the world voted to give Bill Gates 400 Megahertz of bandwidth, at the same frequency in each monopoly. I would guesstimate the value of this grant to be around ten billion dollars. Don't run out and buy Microsoft shares. When I said Bill Gates, I meant Bill Gates. I did not mean Microsoft. Bill Gates intends to build an internet in the sky, eight hundred satellites in low earth orbit, each of them with big bandwidth connections to its nearest neighbors, and each with a four hundred megahertz connection to each of many squares of ground underneath it. What caused the collected killers of the world to show such unanimous generosity towards Bill Gates? Bill Gates proposed a network that would be completely censorable. He will not sell pipes to his space backbone, he will sell pipes from a particular rectangle on the ground to its space backbone. You would buy a right to connect from any place in a single small area, not any a right to connect from any place in the world, and Bill Gates would only sell such rights to government approved organizations, which would then presumably resell connections to private individuals -- connections that would first run through government controlled pipes to check for politically incorrect bits before they reached Bill Gates' sky backbone. Of course we should not condemn him too harshly for this: He needs approval from Singapore, Iran, France, Germany, Communist China, and the like, in order to get a single uniform world wide frequency band, and would be unlikely to get it for any reasonable proposal. The government pipes in his proposal are as useless as wheels on a fish, because he promises his ground stations will be quite cheap. Therefore private citizens who are not permitted direct access to his internet in the sky will feel the impact of tyranny immediately in their wallets. Bill Gates internet in the sky will provide short and near constant latency, therefore telephone connections running through it should be pretty good, whereas existing internet phone sucks mightily. Teledesic is promised to come on line in 2001, though we have seen how Microsoft meets schedules in the past. I conjecture 2006. I also predict that once the scheme is securely in place, and jamming it becomes painful, Bill Gates will find a thousand ways to chisel the government monopoly middlemen in his proposal. I would guess that Motorola's less ambitious Iridium project will only be a year or two late, but it has little potential to revolutionize the world the way Bill Gates proposal has. I expect once the scheme is in place, the government monopolies in Gate's plan will be under attack both from above and from below. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQEVAgUBMjIM9MiycyXFit0NAQFv0wf/dD4REx7IYcp/X+seWiDF73Z8Kr37E2IS rLub4J6XamQw2fMhDzgHiNhpy5HWH/mY1mQjOdhe5kA204aQKHk8ktXCQW6YC7fA VZCbJ+RJ0pluozWGOOC/hUbYed2vCEBjnjpBHaiFC3dHGVxHF43+L7nlp+RaeRCY Wb0H6XzwEh3Lei+vMzn/28RIJGabUOPSvDM6vK0AwNyZDXHobg/Ys7bTo9T8odvB Hz2WR2yBWT1uM1vasHfYDXeFwTvqFbdBv5TWXhNYzCdF6sexRAgD/iofoPmTLxno FdeVbG9pK09Zd3UDAu8x6Oojgi28S686f49YT0TyyeK8IjXNU9vYxQ== =F/SH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: LACC: Re: What is the EFF doing exactly?
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Julian Assange wrote: > > Certain members of the EFF board seem to be politically naive. The > > rational, intelligent lobbyist will always see both sides of the > > argument. Presenting both sides of the argument to the world at large > > is another matter altogether. You should only present both sides of the > > argument to the inner policy tactics personnel only in order to formulate > > policy and create defences for the weaknesses in your position. To the > > outside world only ever sees a united front. This is basic politics. > > This is certainly the way most people in political roles handle things, > and it is certainly an effective way of handling simple-minded people. > > However, it is one thing I find very difficult to respect. Respect or not, if your team is small and the field is large, and everyone else is playing gridiron, then don't expect to prove anything but your stupidity by playing cricket. > How many of the world's stupid policies have been enacted, because > someone decided to present only one side of an issue, realized it was > "the wrong side", and felt they couldn't later change their mind for the > better - because they presented the issue as overly black-and-white > initially? I agree, however you are confusing large parties, so dominant as to form government and policy at whim with those that represent a particular cause or interest group. The EFF falls into the latter category. Its goals are relatively narrow, its membership tiny. Such a small group, fighting under-resourced battle against powerful, conservative interests does not need, and should not espouse the arguments of those who seek to destroy it. When Canoing up a waterful, one does not need to paddle backwards 50% of the time in order to be "fair". -- "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_ +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+ |Julian Assange RSO | PO Box 2031 BARKER | Secret Analytic Guy Union | |proff(a)suburbia.net | VIC 3122 AUSTRALIA | finger for PGP key hash ID = | |proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu | FAX +61-3-98199066 | 0619737CCC143F6DEA73E27378933690 | +---------------------+--------------------+----------------------------------+

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Re: [WAS xs4all.nl] Terrorists
by Jon Lebkowsky 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:01 AM 9/9/96 +0200, Stephan Schmidt wrote: >One thought : How many of you would support terrorist >web server (say Oklahoma, TWA, Iran, Lybia, RAF, IRA, ...) ? I.e. "How many of you support the right to free speech regardless of content." Wellll...there is the rule about speech which endangers; "fire in a crowded theatre" is the cliche-example. What could a terrorist SAY that would endanger? Personally, I'd rather have terrorists building html than bombs. -- Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)hotwired.com> FAX (512)444-2693 http://www.well.com/~jonl Electronic Frontiers Forum, 6PM PDT Thursdays <http://www.hotwired.com/eff> "No politician can sit on a hot issue if you make it hot enough."--Saul Alinsky

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Re: Edited Edupage, 5 Sep 1996
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>CHINA SCREENS OUT "SPIRITUAL POLLUTION" ON THE NET >>The Beijing government has begun blocking as many as 100 Internet sites that >>offer material the government deems unsuitable for its citizens -- including >>dissident viewpoints from Hong Kong and Taiwan, sites sponsored by U.S. >>major media organizations such as CNN and the Washington Post, and sexually >>explicit sites such as Playboy and Penthouse. An official described the >>blocked sites as suspected purveyors of "spiritual pollution." (Wall Street >>Journal 5 Sep 96 B12) Gee only 100 bad sites on the net out of thousands of web sites. Looks cleaner than a hound's tooth to me. And Germany trying to block two sites a year (but failing). At that rate they'll really "shut 'er down." Note the subtle problem. With thousands of "bad sites" combined with bureaucratic sloth the governments of the world are bailing with a teaspoon. We ca put 'em up faster than they can knock them down particularly since they can't knock them down at all. DCF

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New type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, I just updated the type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com. This update includes the addition of the dustbin and jenanon remailers Welcome aboard! The files are available by WWW from www.jpunix.com as well as anonymous FTP from ftp.jpunix.com. John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMjKtO1OTpEThrthvAQHthgQApkbVzoc2NbYMm0U0Wcr3y2LpCY96/adT 2bLBg87S+CIStRHc2XirdjGk97TnN2p/1RBySqOIjH0a9Jajrso2yQYn7nQZ3/2W wIq2ZrQF1971IeajIBSEmNzD4lhr7Tkqi2WhVGHFEVboMvcp7Nw+wGxOfyaXP6mj uvZkIFAfDW0= =O4WA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Esther Dyson Flap
by edyson＠edventure.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FWIW, I'm still collecting some thoughts, because this is a complex topic (as you all know), and I'm tired of having my views misinterpreted and misattributed. So I want to state them clearly and carefully. This is simply a reaction to one item. At 09:12 PM 9/4/96 -0500, Chuck Thompson wrote: >>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:23:40 -0700 >>X-Sender: tcmay(a)mail.got.net >>To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >>From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) >>Subject: Re: The Esther Dyson Flap >>Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >> ...................... Please note the quote marks carefully. I said [something like] the first paragraph, but the rest is the "reporter" from Scientology, plus a paraphrase. >> >>By the way, the Scientologists have also noted her views: >> >>"Esther Dyson, member of the board of directors of the Electronic Frontier >>Foundation and member of the National Information Infrastructure Advisory >>Council, spoke on the anonymity issue at the fifth Computers, Freedom & >>Privacy (CFP) conference in San Francisco. "I have a concern about the >>spread of bad behavior on the Net," said Dyson. "Anonymity figures into >>this, and I feel that it has proven to not be a positive factor. It breaks >>down >>the community which we are seeking to build, and could turn the 'big >>cities' of the information infrastructure into a big cesspool." >> >>"Remailers who facilitate anonymous postings are part of the problem. They >>can act as conduits for those who seek anonymity as a way to act illegally >>without getting caught; yet remailers are able to shield themselves from >>responsibility or liability. >> >>"Computer experts stress that anonymous users should at least be trackable >>by the remailers -- and that ones who act unlawfully can easily put the >>remailers at risk. Dyson noted that in self-regulatory schemes for almost >>any part of the Internet, "visibility, not anonymity, would have a strong >>place."" >> >>(end quote, from "Freedom," at http://www.theta.com/goodman/hijack.htm) >> > Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! EDventure Holdings <edyson(a)edventure.com> 1 (212) 924-8800 1 (212) 924-0240 fax 104 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10011 USA www.edventure.com High-Tech Forum in Lisbon, October 27-29, 1996 PC Forum in Tucson, Arizona, March 23-26, 1997

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Kiddie porn on the Internet
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"News" stories are now circulating on radio about child pornography on the Internet, and how an organization called "Save The Children" is working very hard to identify the trafficers and their accomplii. Save The Children is complaining that they can't find all of the dirty dealers of kid-porn, since much of the traffic is encrypted! So who is Save The Children? First, since they're an international organization raising funds in the U.S., they obviously operate at the pleasure of the State Department. Ho hum. Remember the incidents at the Denny's restaurant chain where Denny's was sued for discrimination against minorities? Did it seem a little bizarre for the 1990's? At the close of the litigation, Denny's suddenly sprouted tons of free fund-raising advertising for Save The Children, including placemats at each table with beautiful logo and address and phone number. Just send the money, etc. My questions to interested persons included whether someone may have approached Denny's for such cooperation BEFORE the discrimination suits, and whether Denny's may have refused at first. Well, don't jump to conclusions, and this is *NOT* a veiled accusation. I merely suggest that interested parties extend their inquiries into the various Internet-Monitors to include Save The Children. And by the way, I wonder what World Vision and National Medical Enterprises are up to these days?

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