December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Schelling Points leads to interesting family investment opportunities
by Ian Grigg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Tim, you said: > The _costs_ of extending beyond the Schelling point boundaries > is deemed to be too high, and the boundary persists. This reminds me of the transactional theory of business units. Working from memory, the optimal size of a business unit is positively related to the cost of the transactions conducted between units, other things being held constant. Thus, in a place where it is "expensive to do business" the dominant form of company will be large. Conversely in a cheap business environment, small companies will predominate. This notion spurs one to examine the transactional costs and to decide (or not) to lower them... The interesting part for your family context is that falling transaction costs have purportedly produced a shift away from large companies to smaller units. Those falling costs are in the sphere of digital communications, other technology, and regulation. If such were to apply to the context of families, upbringing children and education in general, one might predict that the size of the family should shrink. In a sense we might have already seen this. The extended family is really just a memory for most westerners, but is still the norm in poor countries. And I guess we have seen a strong increase in the number of single-parent families in most western countries. One would then be lead to ask, if you are proposing that Internet technologies in general and crypto in particular are influences on the Schelling points related to the family rights set, can this result in smaller family units? That is, the cost of providing (net) education falls, and the ease of crypto communication allows children to grow up as individuals in the big wide Inter-world rather than the shoolyard. If I were permitted to ramble without judicious limit, I would talk about the economic unit becoming a single person, and that person becoming responsible for their own success, regardless of their age. In this view of the future, a child is an economic unit, and is responsible for his own education, and thus must learn for the future. Obviously there is a bootstrapping problem here previously known as birth, and this could be addressed by well-meaning investors purchasing educational rights to a mother's future child (in effect, buying an unborn baby). The child then becomes the ward of the investor, who attempts to raise the child to produce the maximal return. Of course, in order to eliminate the distorting effects of love and child-like whims (I don't want to log into teacher today), there would have to be a free market for raising rights, based on caveat emptor examination of progress. Thus would be exist an informational approach to encourage the child's attention to books, and of course, towards a successful career as an investor in the youth of tomorrow. This would also allow specialisation of investment, those that concentrate on the early years, those on the teens and those that reap the final rewards of first productive working years. The arisal of these strata would lay to rest for ever that old saw of the economists by showing that there is no market failure in education, and thus no need for regulation. And in answer to those anticipated questions from concerned parents, no, I don't have any children, and yes, in the new world, senior citizens can contract to investors to provide granny services, so that they won't be unemployed. But perhaps I should really have placed a judicious limit on my ramblings :-) -- iang iang(a)systemics.com

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Re: "privatizing" phones?
by Scott Schryvers 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:26 PM 7/28/96 +0200, you wrote: If its the same standard used in digital cel phones it shouldn't take more than 30 seconds to figure out the key. The standard used in digital cel phones is a 120 bit key and the crypto is basic xor which is easily broken using basic cryptanalysis. >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Date: Sun Jul 28 12:24:57 1996 >> Even if they did change the frequency the call was on, >> it would be a simple matter to decode how the frequency >> change was negotiated, and "follow" the call (also easily >> accomplished with cellular calls). Failing that, there is >> a very limited range of frequencies allocated for cordless >> fones, and simply re-scanning for the conversation is a >> trivial inconvenience. //cerridwyn// >> > >Most of those systems do also change the order of the transmitted data, and >that's not limited to a few possibilities. If it's digital, they usually >encrypt it (only weak, but hey, you normally have to find the key real >time!) > >- --------< fate favors the prepared mind >-------- >Remo Pini rp(a)rpini.com >PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html >- ------< words are what reality is made of >------ >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3i >Charset: noconv > >iQEVAwUBMfs/vhFhy5sz+bTpAQEcnwf9G+HAE57+cOydDLAoaetvywK5jFq8IdIW >POXECrmy53+lTe4n/Z763ytNTUJRYBXcUQrTyg4BiVgDoqt5vm+ZxlPKec64FxME >a/UM0wpBBANUmgZVWiojtm+lMuxUxfjXbYyV1hRkBfe+gZ0RF00kOhTsWRqEaUTX >UTpbPalsh+fVtCrhU4lkxk70epu8b6F6SiFw9+awP3mRImlu5SdRBduS6G1yTvSX >UetAkO60anp6wTIy5s5e+FuWFNmWVqZIGt72fKdqtQshx9xvikzpKGSOExidFTkA >Z8gWmk1mfU1PiD/8Yfe6VWJdHlFWbqGDGQmRcfwqi5awmDPeNs7arw== >=4IN4 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >

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Re: WaPo on Crypto-Genie Terrorism
by Charley Sparks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I occasionally get invited to teach at a local college.. some students are not US. Anyone have any suggestions on a way I can sneek some good privacy into the lesson plan.. the course is usually the Internet or networking in general. Charley >>snip snip<< >as things stand now, windoze folks are going to have to settle with >Mcro$ofts Access to Keys...MAK or is it Bill's Access to Keys.. BAK in any >case I didnt want to get into a my pulldownmenu is longer than your >pulldownmenu argument.. I just want to see it get on the radar fo people >who code. > >You see I dont care what your favorite platform is,( if you like editing in >VI fine, I personnly like TECO), BUT I am acting localy, doing my part, >not just complaining about it... So if you want to help, I am still looking >for folks to talk... maybe about why crypto is so important. >Crypto-archarchy. or maybe some e$ stuff would be nice... > > > >Vinnie Moscaritolo >------------------ >"friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." >http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ >Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A > > >

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ABC
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just heard something funny on ABC: Interviewer: Is this the kind of bomb the militias like to use? Interviewee: Yes, it's a pipe bomb. Of course, you can find out on the Internet how to make these... (Well, _I thought this was funny.) I hereby volunteer Jim Bell to write the Cyperpunk bomb-making FAQ. Or a more general chemical FAQ including common poisons. Are you up to this task, Jim? :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: ALL OF YOU ARE CRIMINAL HACKERS, I AM GOING TO CALL FBI
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I AM NOT GOING TO TOLERATE EXISTENCE OF A MEDIUM FOR CRIMINAL HACKERS >AND MUNITIONS SMUGGLERS. I WILL COMPLAIN TO THE FBI IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THEY >CAN TRACK YOU DOWN AND CLOSE THIS LIST. Tips for reporting this 'clandestine' list to the FBI (and it's contributors) 1) Be sure to speak slowly and use small words when contacting the FBI. 2) If you can, be sure to work the words 'Pipe Bomb', 'Olympics', and/or 'TWA' into your sentences. 3) Remember to unsubscribe from the list before reporting it. 4) Try not to be belligerant when the talking with the FBI - RE: tracking down cpunks; they're laughing at you, already. 5) Try not to use the word 'inbred' in your report..they seem particullarly sensitive to this...for some reason. 6) When meeting FBI in person, do not wear shiny objects or bright colors - it distracts them. 7) When calling the FBI hotline, don't ask to speak to someone about munition smuggling AND computers crimez - this will put the operator into coma. 8) Be sure to ask for special agent 'Fox Mulder' and 'Dana Sculley' - they're 'the best' 9) 10)... _______ Warren Crossfield Programmer/MacOS "Buy a Pentium - so you can restart Windoze faster!"

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[NOISE] Rich Graves is accused of forgery and other net-abuse
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hmm, I though Rich Graves was a Nazi, but now the Nazis reject him too. :-) Message-ID: <012317Z28071996(a)anon.penet.fi> Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism,news.groups,alt.internet.media-coverage,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,c2.chat,alt.cyberpunk,soc.culture.jewish From: an572010(a)anon.penet.fi (Vyshinsky) X-Anonymously-To: alt.fan.ernst-zundel,alt.revisionism,news.groups,alt.internet.media-coverage,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,c2.chat,alt.cyberpunk,soc.culture.jewish Organization: Anonymous forwarding service Reply-To: an572010(a)anon.penet.fi Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 01:21:24 UTC Subject: Re: Spammed by a Nazi obssessive References: <schwartz-2507960756390001(a)cmh-p091.infinet.com> <joelr.3533.000B045C(a)winternet.com> <4t8nk8$3ic(a)Networking.Stanford.EDU> Lines: 80 [multi-mailed to llurch(a)stanford.edu, postmaster(a)stanford.edu, and postmaster(a)c2.net] llurch(a)stanford.edu writes: > joelr(a)winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes: > >In article <schwartz-2507960756390001(a)cmh-p091.infinet.com> schwartz(a)infinet.com writes: > > > >>Maybe someone should mention to Ingrid that this little crap works both > >>ways. She may have been spammed, so are we. > >> > >>Sara > > > >I got the same spew, and sent back a message, with a copy to the root, that > >I want no further email from these folks. No big deal. > > > Right. It's not. > > It doesn't work both ways. Neither way is acceptable. Fortunately, with > the exceptions of Skippy, Giwer, and Marduk, whom nobody loves, nobody > seems to be into continuing net abuse after they've been notified that > it's wrong. You, postmaster(a)c2.org, postmaster(a)stanford.edu and news.admin.net-abuse.misc were notified about forged cancels by you against others. Did you stop since? Your practice of posting to a lot of newsgroups with a followup-to line for an "enemy" newsgroup, is the classic practice of trolling. Most of the newsreaders wont see the rebuttals, and presume that your post was unchallenged, so inspiring a rebuttal with the same arguments that have already been made. You've not stopped regardless of the number of complaints. Your practice of forging your e-mail address away from your true e-mail address is also net abuse. This is an obvious taking advantage of sameer(a)c2.net, a net hero, the admin of your ISP, that you are maliciously taking advantage of to avoid complaints of your actual e-mail address, llurch(a)stanford.edu, whom you work for. Whoever "Skippy" is, she has not forged cancels since March 1996, and has never done the other abuses you deal out in prolific quantity. Are you going to stop these three net abuses because of yet another complaint? You haven't before. --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Re: WaPo on Crypto-Genie Terrorism
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 9:35 7/28/96, Charley Sparks wrote: >I occasionally get invited to teach at a local college.. some students are >not US. Anyone have any suggestions on a way I can sneek some good privacy >into the lesson plan.. the course is usually the Internet or networking in >general. Ignore ITAR. It is unconstitutional. BTW, independently from what the Supreme Court may ore may not decide. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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Re: Internet blamed for pipe bombs
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:36 7/28/96, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >> Across the country, latest figures from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, >> Tobacco and Firearms show a 20 percent jump in pipe bomb incidents >> between 1990 and 1994. > >[...] > >> "We've been incredibly busy," said sheriff's bomb technician Judd >> Holiday. "As crime in other categories is dropping, this is going up." The friendly Anarchist's Bookstore in San Francisco sells several books on building bombs. No Internet connection required. I would like offer another possible explanation for the increase in pipe bombings. The People are getting frustrated and a pipe bomb can be very useful device releasing one's frustration. [No, I do not approve of pipe bombing civilians]. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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De facto martial law
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Assoc. Press, 28-Jul-1996 Federal investigators reported "very good leads" Sunday in the hunt for the Olympic bomber, and the Georgia National Guard mobilized fresh troops to add muscle to the force protecting against a repeat attack. [...] Huge crowds, including more than 80,000 at the stadium, seemed undeterred by tougher security screening and fears of terrorism. "The more they check us, the happier I am," Nancy Hudgins, of Stone Mountain, Ga., said at a handball game in the Georgia Congress Center. [...] The Georgia state government said it would dispatch by Monday morning an additional National Guard infantry battalion, the 121st from Macon, to supplement the civilian bag-searchers, metal-detector operators and guards at Atlanta Olympic sites. About 4,000 guardsmen are already deployed on any one day here. The battalion would add "a few hundred" to that contingent, government spokesmen said. The civilian, police and military security army on hand here totals some 30,000. The White House said Sunday about 900 FBI agents are now assigned to Olympic duty. [...] 27-Jul-1996 The Olympics turned into an armed encampment Saturday, police and soldiers and bomb-sniffing dogs everywhere, all athletes and fans subject to search, the free spirit of the Summer Games suddenly gone. The bomb that killed a woman and injured more than 100 people, among the thousands jolted at a rock concert in Centennial Olympic Park at 1:25 a.m., instantly transformed the Games into fields of fear. Sentries wielding machine guns and rifles guarded gates and patrolled buildings from basements to rooftops. Officers conducted meticulous searches of vehicles, checking under them with extended mirrors the way a dentist probes for cavities. [...] Security, already on high alert since the TWA Flight 800 explosion, became more visible all over. Soldiers carrying machine guns scout[ed] the rowing site at Lake Lanier, in normal times a peaceful recreational community. Reuters, 07/28 Olympics-FBI search man's home in bomb hunt, paper A man from rural north Georgia says the FBI searched his home for clues to the weekend bombing at Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park, a newspaper reported on Sunday. The Daily Citizen-News of Dalton quoted 41-year-old Terry Roper of Rocky Face, Georgia, as saying that investigators showed up at his remote country home on Saturday and searched the house, the yard and his vehicles with bomb-sniffing dogs. [...] The federal agents left after the search, telling the man they would be in touch, the newspaper said. [...] "I was home here all night long. I haven't been to Atlanta in a year or so," it quoted Roper as saying. He said he knows nothing about bomb-making. [...] The newspaper said police were acting on an anonymous tip phoned into its circulation department by an unidentified caller. Roper told the newspaper he believed the call stemmed from a workplace conversation about precautions against terrorism at Olympic venues. "I never have mentioned nothing about making a bomb, blowing anything up or anything like that. I don't know how to make a bomb," he was quoted as saying. 07/28 Olympics-Militia group condemns attack, calls it ... An extreme rightwing Georgia militia on Sunday denied responsibility for an explosion at the Atlanta Olympics in which two people died, and a member held on previous bomb charges called it a cowardly act. J.J. Johnson, a co-founder of the "112th Regiment Militia-at-Large for the Republic of Georgia" told a news conference they were angry over press suggestions that they planted the pipe bomb among Olympic revellers early on Saturday. "We categorically deny having any knowledge of this or anything to do with this," he said. "Atlanta now looks like a virtual police state, which is something the patriots and militia have fought against. Why would we do something to bring that about?" said Johnson, a radio talk show host who moved to Georgia from Ohio. [...] Johnson and militia attorney Nancy Lord offered to assist the FBI by providing investigators with names of potential bomb-makers from around the state. The names turned out to belong to informants for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) [...] "They're the only people we know of in the Georgia area who like to talk about pipe bombs, who like to build pipe bombs," said Lord [...]

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Re: Schelling Points leads to interesting family investment opportunities
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:41 PM 7/28/96, Ian Grigg wrote: >Hi Tim, > >you said: >> The _costs_ of extending beyond the Schelling point boundaries >> is deemed to be too high, and the boundary persists. > >This reminds me of the transactional theory of business units. >Working from memory, the optimal size of a business unit is >positively related to the cost of the transactions conducted >between units, other things being held constant. > >Thus, in a place where it is "expensive to do business" the >dominant form of company will be large. Conversely in a >cheap business environment, small companies will predominate. >This notion spurs one to examine the transactional costs and >to decide (or not) to lower them... Yes, I think these things are deeply intertwined. Coase's work on the nature of corporations, for example. (Another connection is that economics and markets are largely about "signalling mechanisms," and it can be argued that prices are variants of Schelling points, albeit hopping around as other market players jockey for advantage.) >The interesting part for your family context is that falling >transaction costs have purportedly produced a shift away from >large companies to smaller units. Those falling costs are in >the sphere of digital communications, other technology, and >regulation. If such were to apply to the context of families, >upbringing children and education in general, one might >predict that the size of the family should shrink. Which it has, as you note. The availability of microwave dinners, transportation to new jobs, new employment patterns, and other factors too numerable to mention are correlated fairly strongly with a reduction in the size of the average family. >One would then be lead to ask, if you are proposing that >Internet technologies in general and crypto in particular >are influences on the Schelling points related to the family >rights set, can this result in smaller family units? I wouldn't go quite _this_ far! (And it's hard to go too much further than we have already...as you noted, increasing numbers of Westerners are single.) Certainly your comments are generally relevant and interesting, and sociologists should have fun examining the economic, game-theoretic, psychological, and other factors that are interlinked. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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