December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Kahn's "The CodeBreakers"
by Brad Shantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Good call, Tim. That is correct. I had forgotten. > Ah, but it does have some significance. "Liberty" is published out of Port > Townsend. (More precisely, it was the last time I looked.) > And it's near Hump Tulips, Sequim, and Chimicum (sp?). Ma and Pa Kettle country. Sequim is further west along the Olympic Peninsula, and Chimacum is just south of Port Townsend towards Port Hadlock and the Hood Canal bridge. Once again, good call, Tim.

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Re: A guide to self control (Was funny underwear)
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from nobody(a)REPLAY.COM 06/11/96 09:58am +0200 = To: Cypherpunks(a)toad.com = From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) = = A Guide to Self-Control = = Subject: Steps in Overcoming Masterbation = = Excerpt from a Mormon missionary guide, circa 1970: Steps in = Overcoming Masterbation, Mark E. Petersen = = 1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal = toilet processes. = you forgot to add the dictum on how long you are allowed to wash it in the shower... -- "Privacy Through Cryptography." "Communicate Globally, Censor Locally." I think an old Doonesbury cartoon that had Duke (representing the NRA) testifying before a Senate subcommittee summed it up quite nicely..... Senator: "And we and the American people have had enough of you and your fanatic organization!" Duke: "I see Senator, shall I put you down for a million postcards?" Senator: "Don't you threaten me mister!" Politicians only understand one thing.

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the net
by talon57＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: >>Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and >>I can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. Gary Howland <gary(a)systemics.com> adds: >Give me 10 well trained biological warfare scientists and I'll do >it in 30 ... >Anymore bids? :-) Yeah, Give me one really sick monkey ..... Brian

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HomePage
by WICKERT＠vortex.ufrgs.br 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have Toad Hall a HomePage? I tried http://www.toad.com but I got no response! Best Regards, Ricardo Wickert

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RE: ANNOUNCEMENT: HACKERPUNKS MAILING LIST
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> H A C K E R P U N K S > "Obscurity through Security!" > > > Hi! We are delighted to announce a new mailing list, Hackerpunks! This list > is for serious folks who know stuff about computers _AND_ want to keep > their privacy. Oooo. Folks who know 'stuff' about computers. The free world is in danger now. > This list is UNMODERATED. Due to our organization, we are unable to > find out your true identity, and you are unable to find out where > our list-bot resides. So - you can now have free discussion about all > exploits and great hacks! Just use remailers and be safe... Smells like 'elite'punks to me -Blake (in a cranky mood)

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Britain to control crypto - official (fwd from Usenet)
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The British government quietly announced yesterday that it will legislate to restrict crypto. The details are in the attached Reuters and PA newswires. Fuller details will no doubt be available at a one day workshop that the Ministry of Defence is organising at the IEE in Savoy Place on the 27th June. The speakers will include directors of both CESG (GCHQ's front operation) and DRA, as well as a policeman and the data protection registrar. The IEE's phone number is 0171 240 1871. Ross RTf 06/10 1355 UK to license information encryption services LONDON, June 10 (Reuter) - The British government unveiled proposals on Monday aimed at meeting the demand for encryption services to safeguard the confidentiality of electronic information transmitted on public telecommunications networks. Technology minister Ian Taylor published a paper proposing a licensing system for so-called "Trusted Third parties," or TTPs, to provide encryption services. "The TTPs would offer digital signature, data integrity and retrieval, key management and other services for which there is a commercial demand," Taylor said in a written parliamentary answer. Taylor said encryption services would facilitate the development of electronic commerce, thus helping to maintain Britain's competitiveness. The licensing policy would aim to protect consumers as well as to preserve the ability of intelligence and law enforcement agencies to fight serious crime and terrorism, Taylor said. This would be done by establishing procedures for disclosure to them of the encryption keys, under safeguards similar to those which already exist under the Interception of Communications Act, he added. Taylor said officials in his department had already held preliminary discussions with industry groups on the concepts set out in Monday's paper. Following consultation by the Department of Trade and Industry on detailed proposals, the government intends to bring forward legislation, Taylor added. PA 06/10 1808 MOVE TO STRENGTHEN INFORMATION SECURITY By Parliamentary Staff, PA News The Government tonight announced plans to strenthen the security of information sent electronically over public telecommunications networks. Technology Minister Ian Taylor, in a Commons written reply, disclosed proposals to licence trusted third parties to provide encryption services -- the process of transforming text into an unintelligible form that can only subsequently be recovered by someone possessing the corresponding decryption key. These services cover the digital signature, an electronic equivalent of a hand-written signature, of electronic documents and the protection of the accuracy and privacy of contents. Mr Taylor said: "There is a growing demand for encryption services to safeguard the integrity and confidentiality of electronic information transmitted on public telecommunications networks. "The Government therefore proposes to make arrangements for licensing trusted third parties who would provide such services." These would include digital signature, data integrity and retrieval and key management services. "The licensing policy will aim to protect consumers as well as to preserve the ability of the intelligence and law enforcement agencies to fight serious crime and terrorism by establishing procedures for disclosure to them of the encryption keys, under safeguards similar to those which already exist for warranted interception under the Interception of Communications Act." Mr Taylor, who disclosed publication of a paper, said it was intended to bring forward proposals for legislation after consultation on detailed policy proposals. The Trade and Industry Department said increased use of IT systems by British business and commerce was a major factor in their improved competitive position, but had brought increased security risks -- especially concerning integrity and confidentiality of information passed electronically between trading bodies. Prime candidates to be trusted third parties could include banks, network operators and trade associations. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close...........(v)301 56 LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead........vr vr vr vr.................20915-1433

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Re: Slander of Catholic Church
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> Paul Penrod <furballs(a)netcom.com> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Paul Penrod <furballs(a)netcom.com> wrote: = On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Timothy C. May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: <snip>... => => --Cardinal Timothy May => => (Who believes all cults and religions are basically the same shuck and => jive, and who thinks the "Church of Scientology" is actually a little bit => less foolish that the Church of Mormon, with its "baptism of dead = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = It's The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. = = If your going to criticize it, at least get the name right. = = > ancestors" into the Church, the concept is easy once you consider the sanctity of eternal "life" and the relation of the spirit. the principle is in the gospels of the disciples in numerous places. = the funny underwear people have to secretly = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = Do you wear yours on the outside like Madonna? = = > wear, etc. However, I have great respect for the practical tactics of = > the Mormons, and no respect for the day to day behavior of the CoS.) = > = > actually, I am curious as to when Tim wore his set of "funny underwear" sounds like a good topic for the Cypherpunk Enquirer! = = Frankly, I think this discussion needs to be put back into = alt.flame.the.religion.of.your.choice. It's bad enough to watch a = discussion on anonymous transactions devolve into useless drivel on whale = ownership and the questionable philisophical ruminations of a Piled = Higher and Deeper, without flinging this prarrie muffin on the pile too. = = ....Paul ** Reply to note from Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com> 06/11/96 = Tim , = You should stick to your own religion and not criticize other = peoples. It is unforunate that the esteem that I once felt for you is = dwindling because of your anti-Mormon trash. Perhaps you do not realise = that some people take more than an academic interest in their religion = ;this is unforunate . It is pitiful. You are becoming the ugly = American that foreigners hate; always having an opinion about everything. = moroni too strong, moroni --remember _our_ values; not those of a critic. last night in FHE I covered the first mob in Jackson County where Bushop Partridge turned the other cheek to make it easier after the first was tarred by the mob. -- The result of today's 'government' is new world disorder, unfolding at warp velocity.

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Comments on MicroPayments and the Web
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I do not see micropayment schemes gaining any acceptance in the long run. Here is why... 1) I expect a few scam artists out there to pull something like with what has been done with 976 numbers. Put up something that looks like a "hot page" and then charge you lots of cash when you hit the site. (Instead of a fraction of a cent, a quarter or twenty bucks?) If they are a heavy web surfer, the ream of paper needed to find the offending page would be pretty obnoxious. Most would just pay the bill. (Leading to even more scams of this type.) 2) If a dialog comes up for each site that wants to ding you for a bit of money, these sites are going to resemble the pay toilets of the net. People will go there if they have to, but avoid them (or crawl under with an old browser) if they can. All in all, it just sounds like another scam dreamed up by someone in marketing to Make Money Fast off the Internet. --- |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: plugging in
by Alex Strasheim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Indeed -- the notion is that one could do things like put support for > encrypted/signed pages or other cryptographic tools (I haven't checked > if Netscape mail handles plugins, too) directly into Netscape where > ordinary users could smoothly use them. Doing tech support at my ISP has made me very skeptical of anything that requires a plug in. Most people aren't willing or able to download and install them. Obviously that's not a problem for large organizations who want to run something internally -- they can make people install them and provide support to make sure it happens. But if you want to publish to the mainstream of people who use the net, using a plug in is a very bad idea. (I don't know anyone that doesn't design web pages for a living who's installed the shockwave plugin, for example. I'm sure that people do, just not the people I know. Only a marketing hack would download a couple of megabyte plug in to look at a soda company's web page.) SSL has a lot of problems (Verisign's pound of flesh, signatures on sites rather than documents, etc.), and those problems make a PGP based system attractive. But SSL's ubiquity (is that a word?) and the inherent kludginess of a PGP based plug-in make me think that the latter wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of catching on.

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Venture capital financing/partnering for unique website ideas/entrepreneurs
by Ventureweb＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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