December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fwd: Re: INteresting tidbit
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Wed, 29 May 96 22:36:17 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: INteresting tidbit > >On the Encryption note, and I swear not along the lines of the 'DOJ' >and 'FBI Snooping' Big-Brother events, I heard another story recently. > ># begin story > >A person working on the MBONE project did an unannounced experiment >across the internet using Triple-DES for MBONE, and the very next day, >'ATF' agents knocked on his door and warned him against exporting >munitions. The experimentor was shaken by the fact that agents >approached him so quickly after the experiment. > ># end story > >Extrapolations of fact: > 1. Internet traffic is monitored. > 2. The ability to snoop for encrypted traffic is present > 3. The ability to identify encryption levels is present > (How else can they differentiate DES-1 from DES-3?) > 4. The ability to crack DES-1 in near real-time mode is present. > (See above). First, this has been loosely confirmed for ages. Someone was mentioning that FBI offices supposedly have software that (on a 486) can crack a DES-1 key in under an hour. Multiply * modern high capacity computers = problem. However, this does not nessesarily follow from #3. First off, you could probably tell the encryption used from a file format; the software on the other end has to know what it's getting. Secondly, you could probably tell quite a lot about what was used by some intense analysis. Finally, if their software cannot read it and analysis suggested it was more than DES-1 then they might go after someone w/o being able to read the document in question. > 5. If above=true, then Feds dropping the Zimmerman PGP case probably > also points to it also being crackable in a similar manner. Not necessarily. This freemen issue shows that the FBI is getting gunshy about bad publicity, which they were getting. > 6. Using encryption only flags traffic for capture and decryption, > using strong encryption makes you all that more interesting. Sounds like the old argument for encrypting everything... >Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll try not to start a threads about >electro-plasma propulsion craft at Area 51, metallic-ceramic skin >and pulse-jets on the Aurora spy plane, heat-imaging video cameras >on satellites and planes that can watch you through your houses' roof, >etc. :) What??? Now you're going to tell us X-Files is just a TV show? <g> This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Fwd: Re: forged addresses
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:32:54 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: forged addresses > On 29 May 1996 19:38:16 pdt, nobody(a)nowher.com wrote: >Hi, I'm not sure if there was ever a thread on this, but I was wondering if >anyone can determine your real email address, if you were to fake it to your >email client. > >I hope that this doesn't offend anyone, since this is a high traffic list, but >I was wondering if this would work. To try it out, I setup my client to think >I was someone else, and sent myself an email. I could only figure out what >ISP it came from. > >What I would like to know is, can any of the experts on this list determine my >address from the header of this post?? I didn't receive anything except your nobody@... address. >again, if this is something that I shouldn't have done, just let me know, and >it won't happen again. > Hmmm... I'm going to have to play around with this. I can get outbound email access through my school district's mailserver simply by filling in the appropriate fields in netscape (we have a WAN hooked up to a T1). It would seem to me that this would be rather secure for several reasons, if for no other than that NO logging is made... In a large district, like mine (probably 10-15 thousand potential users), I doubt they would have the resources to track any of the 100 or so Internet machines on my campus alone, even if they could tell it came from here. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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ID this 31173 NCR keyboard
by unknown＠example.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

! At 05:46 PM 6/3/96 -0700, you wrote: ! >ncr terminals are the most 31173 D0Dz ! ! I'm guessing that "D0Dz" is a variant on "dudes"; ! is "31173" supposed to be an upside-down "ElliE"? ! Having worked at NCR, I like their cash-machines and cash-registers, ! dislike the Microchannels in some of their PCs, ! dislike the terminals they used to make (I think SunRiver ! is the current manufacturer for that product line) ! and like their Teradata descendants. ! # Thanks; Bill ! # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com ! # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs ! # Rescind Authority! Oops. I wrote that just looking at the keyboard. Picked it up at Seattle's Ex-Pc for $3. It's so old, I think it requires a non-PC BIOS. No manual, labels etc. Anyone have a clue as to what this is: NCR F1 F2 [...] F18 F19 F20/RESET| ESC [...] TAB |[five direction keys] CONTROL Q [...] }/] CONTROL |CLR 7 8 9 / CAPS_LOCK A [...] ~/` |NEW | - 4 5 6 * [up] |/\ Z [...] [upup] |LINE | + 1 2 3 |NEW [space] | 0_ 00 . |LINE It was designed for easily customizing your keytable, being an actual flat terminal with square keys easily pulled out and interchanged. The back of the keyboard has three switches for the boolean selection of languages: US English, UK/Int. English, French, German, Swedish/Finnish, Danish/Norwegian, Spanish, Italian. So, where to get a NEW keyboard like this: FLAT, with a full set of SQUARE, EASILY pulled out keys.

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Senate Staff Report...
by Lile Elam 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Does anyone know the location on the web of the Senate staff report that was presented on some Wednesday? I read an article about it on the sjmercury that says people with computers do not consider security a high priority... I am curous what else the report says... thanks, -lile

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"Fascism is corporatism"
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:18 PM 6/6/96, Rich Graves wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Bruce Baugh, who usually knows better, wrote: > >> Fascism has no intrinsic link to genocide. It is a theory of economics, >> basically, in which the state has ultimate authority over production and >> distribution without (as in socialism) actually _owning_ the means of >> production or distribution. This is generally accomplished through >> cartelization, the creatin of industry-wide councils in which the >> representatives of the most powerful firms set policy in conjunction with >> the representatives of the government. ... >Yes, I'm afraid these ahistorical myths are widespread. What _do_ they teach >in these schools? > >Pick up anything by Renzo De Felice to gain a basic historical understanding >of what fascism was about, from someone who was sympathetic to them. Rich, I don't think it nearly so clear as you are claiming. The definition of fascism, that is. Without resorting to the usual ploy of quoting Webster's (a ploy I usually am not impressed by), let me cite an "anti-fascist" radio personality, Dave Emory, who I have been listening to nearly every week for several years. Dave is undeniably anti-fascist, an unusual mixture of left-leaning views and National Rifle Association sympathies, and he often quotes Mussolini's famous "Fascism is corporatism" line. That is, a view more similar to Bruce Baugh's point that fascism is primarily an economic theory, about the organization and ownership of production systems, than about hatred of any particular ethnic group. It is certainly true that Italian and German fascism (and the important variant of "national socialism") become intertwined with certain forms of racism, with which we are all familiar, but I don't think Bruce is at all wrong in his definition of fascism. That Hitler and his group combined fascist economic theories with occultist views of racial superiority does not mean the two viewpoints are identical. ("Fascism is corporatism" is of course not an overall indictment of all corporations. "Corporatism" is basically a view that government should identify key industries and corporations and then pick the winners and support them while suppressing their competitors. This oversimplifies what Mussolini, Emory, myself, etc. mean by "corporatism," but I hope this gives at least a glimpse. And we could get off into discussions of "state capitalism" and how the Soviet and Chinese forms of government were essentially examples of "state capitalism," but this would be a long and involved debate.) >I'd also recommend a biography of the very influential and gifted American >modernist poet Ezra Pound, who led the Italian fascist propaganda effort >from 1941 to 1943 and spent six months in an American POW camp, followed by >some time in mental hospitals as his rants against jewish conspiracies under >every bed became increasingly incoherent, for his trouble. Like Orwell's >very complicated views towards socialism and Stalinism (see Homage to >Catalonia), e. e. cummings' anti-government pacifism, Whitman's queerness, >and Byron's essential kookiness, this is something your high school english >teacher probably failed to mention. My high school teachers failed to mention much of anything, but this was hardly surprising to me--I never expected them to. Fortunately, I knew how to read, and so I learned all of these things. (Except for Pound, whom I didn't encounter until my first year in college.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Hackers prevent Crackers!
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> ** Reply to note from Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> 06/06/96 03:05am -0400 = > Actually, he's probably right. If all the cypherpunks, say, turned = > "bad," there'd be no government and no economy, because so many big = > systems are so insecure. = = One could make the case that this would actually make the United = States(if c'punks concentrated their attentions there) the most data = secure country on the planet over time. = regardless of their opinion on hackers, that is what secuirty is all about. the same is not true for crackers --maybe we need to run a campaign with the slogan of: Hackers (help) prevent Crackers! -- the last free election in the United States was in 1860.

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WWW servers.
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does there currently exist a system which permits webservers to restrict access to clients who have a given certification? What is the current certification practice? How easy is it to certify a given client? Are webserver certifications sufficently secure today? What are the best servers to use for secure web pages and certification currently in the United States? --- My preferred and soon to be permanent e-mail address:unicorn@schloss.li "In fact, had Bancroft not existed, potestas scientiae in usu est Franklin might have had to invent him." in nihilum nil posse reverti 00B9289C28DC0E55 E16D5378B81E1C96 - Finger for Current Key Information Opp. Counsel: For all your expert testimony needs: jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: You're a Twit! [ ] [And, a jackass]
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The message with headers below has been received and set aside for careful > handling by carbon-based units. Thank you so much for your contribution to > global understanding. > > Love, > Rich's Twit Acknowledger > > >From qut(a)netcom.com Thu Jun 6 14:34:48 1996 > Received: from boron.Stanford.EDU (boron.Stanford.EDU [36.56.0.10]) by Networking.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA20426 for <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:48 -0700 > Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (qut(a)netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by boron.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16925 for <llurch(a)stanford.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:45 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from qut@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) > id OAA12280; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:46 -0700 > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:46 -0700 > From: qut(a)netcom.com (harman.david) > Message-Id: <199606062134.OAA12280(a)netcom2.netcom.com> > To: llurch(a)stanford.edu Oh, did I miss the Cypherpunk announcment or something? Do I care? Isn't cypherpunking rather elitist? Isn't elitism a signatory of worthless knowledge? Hey, look at me, I'm elite! -- Love, Qut(a)netcom.com

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Fwd: Re: Clipper III analysis
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 16:51:18 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Fwd: Re: Clipper III analysis > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:16:32 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: Clipper III analysis > On 29 May 1996 14:53:30 pdt, tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >> A good Questioned Document Examiner will be able to demonstrate >> that the signed document in question was not authored by Joe >> Blow, even if it contains his digital signature. > >I was of course talking about digital signatures, not handwritten signatures. > >I would be very interested to hear how a "Questioned Document Examiner" can >possibly determine that a digital signature was not applied by a particular >person. I believe he was referring to document analysis. By closely comparing a questionable work with those of known authorship, a skilled analyst can hopefully find enough [dis]similarities to say whether a document was authored by a given person. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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ID this 31173 NCR keyboard
by unknown＠example.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

! At 05:46 PM 6/3/96 -0700, you wrote: ! >ncr terminals are the most 31173 D0Dz ! ! I'm guessing that "D0Dz" is a variant on "dudes"; ! is "31173" supposed to be an upside-down "ElliE"? ! Having worked at NCR, I like their cash-machines and cash-registers, ! dislike the Microchannels in some of their PCs, ! dislike the terminals they used to make (I think SunRiver ! is the current manufacturer for that product line) ! and like their Teradata descendants. ! # Thanks; Bill ! # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com ! # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs ! # Rescind Authority! Oops. I wrote that just looking at the keyboard. Picked it up at Seattle's Ex-Pc for $3. It's so old, I think it requires a non-PC BIOS. No manual, labels etc. Anyone have a clue as to what this is: NCR F1 F2 [...] F18 F19 F20/RESET| ESC [...] TAB |[five direction keys] CONTROL Q [...] }/] CONTROL |CLR 7 8 9 / CAPS_LOCK A [...] ~/` |NEW | - 4 5 6 * [up] |/\ Z [...] [upup] |LINE | + 1 2 3 |NEW [space] | 0_ 00 . |LINE It was designed for easily customizing your keytable, being an actual flat terminal with square keys easily pulled out and interchanged. The back of the keyboard has three switches for the boolean selection of languages: US English, UK/Int. English, French, German, Swedish/Finnish, Danish/Norwegian, Spanish, Italian. So, where to get a NEW keyboard like this: FLAT, with a full set of SQUARE, EASILY pulled out keys.

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