December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: ecash thoughts
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:26 PM 7/4/96 -0400, Mark M. wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, jim bell wrote: > >> At 05:53 PM 7/3/96 -0400, Simon Spero wrote: >> Low, maybe a tenth of an American cent. But probabilistic payment should be >> used to allow the minimum average payment to go way below this, perhaps to >> an unlimited extent. The reason is simple: The cost of providing net >> transactions, and electronic transactions in general, can be expected to >> drop exponentially, just like the cost of telecommunications and CPU power >> do. Any arbitrary limit to how low they can go will act somewhat akin to >> the minimum wage: It will deter development of any product or service whose >> perceived value is less than this arbitrary minimum. > >If the value of a Turing is one tenth of an American cent, then it would >actually just be a pseudocurrency backed by U.S. dollars. I should have said, "about a tenth of a cent." I didn't mean to imply a linkage. >The inflation of >ecash would be the same as the inflation of U.S. money. However, I do agree >that the value of one unit should be low. > >You use Moore's Law to state that the cost of electronic transactions drops >exponentially. However, this is only true if the electronic transactions >use the same amount of bandwidth. As chip processing speed and transmission >bandwidth double, the cost of building the equipment also doubles. At any given time, that's true, but over time the cost of that processing (per unit transaction) will drop, probably in some exponential fashion. For an optical fiber transmission system, the cost of the fiber does NOT go up with the speed, since it's nowhere near its limiting capacity. End-termination systems will be more expensive, but I suspect that's a relatively small fraction of the overall cost. CPU cost will be significant, but then again the Moore's law trend will predominate. CPU's probably have 1000 times the power, per unit cost, than they did in 1980 or so. It would probably be over-optimistic to think that they'll drop the same ratio over the next 15 or so years, but it'll be enough of a reduction so that whatever costs appear to be limits today won't be then. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Altair emulator?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So you always wanted to run an Altair... http://www.nwlink.com/~tigger/altair.html Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Lack of PGP signatures
by vinnie moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks it's time to shit or get off the pot. If what is holding us back is a PGPlib, (even though I personaly belive it's a bit late, S-MIME is becoming pretty popular) then either finish it, or make it available for someone else to finish it. I know that at least on the Mac if there was a there was a PGPlib, you would have seen more than one native email plug-in from the last Mac hack. Maybe Macintosh developers havent done crypto for a variety of reasons, whether it be NSA strong arming or not, BUT... I tell you as soon as someone releases a Mac CFM library that does crypto, thats when you will see interfaces that Joe-sixpack will use. And none of this silly telnet/unix shell I can't send my passphrase over the wire crap. Hello...Thats why they (we) make powerbooks. OH and I would suggest that you do make the interfaces/doc public in several well-known places (TM) ASAP. cause like the AT&T commercial says, have you ever been visited by the men with dark suits..you will. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Philly Inquirer: More old, conterfactual "Hate on the Net" "news"
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is fucking amazing. In the last month, the two most well-known young neo-Nazi activists on the net, having been exposed to a true diversity of opinion and true free speech on the Internet, repudiated their former beliefs (I'm buying one of them a beer next week); the most well-known neo-Nazi propagandist on the net, frustrated by having her daily newsletter posted publicly to Usenet, lashes out at DejaNews for building a case against her (she knows her own words are her best refutation); and serious attempts by neo-Nazis to rmgroup and vertical-spam two newsgroups where neo-Nazi movements are discussed and refuted failed without a single spam-cancel or account closure that could be mischaracterized as "censorship." And yet Reid comes out with the old Horsemen fear-mongering about "Hate on the Net." He even quotes an old piece from *former* net.nazi Milton Kleim WHICH MILTON NO LONGER SUPPORTS. The Dreaded Nazi Threat to the Net is in disarray, and the totally discredited and impotent kook Don Black (the man who would be king of the island of Dominica, but his coup failed) gets a front-page story in the Philadelphia Inqirer to sneer at America on July 4th. Unbelievable. No wonder Don was happy to send the full text of the article, below, to his ever-shrinking pool of supporters (and others) on his Stormfront mailing list (send "archive stormfront-l" in the body of a message to listserv(a)stormfront.org if you'd like to browse the last 100 messages, half of which talk about the recent breakdown in "the movement"). It seems they're determined to beat on the Four Horsemen even when it's patently obvious that they're dead. Reid Kanaley's email address is rkanaley(a)voicenet.com, but it seems he's only interested in talking to "experts" who are way, way out of touch with current events. -rich censor internet now! http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/ boycott fadetoblack! http://www.fadetoblack.com/prquest.htm ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:13:53 GMT From: "don.black" <dblack(a)jbx.com> To: rich(a)c2.org Subject: SF: More "Hate on the Net" news >From this morning's Philadelphia Inquirer <http://www2.phillynews.com/inquirer/96/Jul/04/front_page/HATE04.htm>... Happy Independence Day! --Don Page One Thursday, July 4, 1996 Hate groups reaching vast Internet audience They are reaching a vast audience. Some Web sites are ``very, very slick says an observer. By Reid Kanaley INQUIRER STAFF WRITER Don Black, who was once national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and now runs a site on the World Wide Web called Stormfront, recognized early that the Internet was the place to be. ``The potential of the Net for organizations and for movements such as ours is enormous,'' Black, 42, of West Palm Beach, Fla., said in an interview. ``We're reaching tens of thousands of people who never before have had access to our point of view.'' Those who monitor the activities of extremists such as right-wing militias, neo-Nazis, Holocaust-denial groups and others agree that the Internet is proving irresistible to those organizations for communication, propaganda and recruitment. In a written response to an interview request e-mailed to Minuteman Press Online, a militia-oriented Web site, someone identified as R.A. Mann declined to be interviewed yesterday, but added: ``Militias use the Internet in the same way other groups do: data verification, urgent updates, tips on everything, legislation overviews, etc.'' Begun in the late 1980s as an electronic bulletin board for the so-called ``white nationalist'' movement, Stormfront was moved by Black to the Web in March 1995. The site is decorated with German-gothic text, white-pride graphics, and letters urging African Americans to thank whites for slavery. ``At the time of the Oklahoma City bombing [ in April 1995 ] , maybe two or three racist groups had Web pages,'' said Rick Eaton, senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. ``There are now dozens, if not over 100 outright racist Web pages. There's a lot of new players that we never saw before, and most importantly there is a sense of communication and instant gratification -- that they're not alone.'' And many of their online efforts amount to ``very sophisticated advertisements for their groups,'' said Paul V. Fleming, a mass communications graduate student at Oklahoma State University, who has co-authored a research paper on Internet hate speech. ``Some of these sites are just very, very slick,'' with good graphics and downloadable ``hate music,'' Fleming said. Several watchdog groups, including the Anti-Defamation League and the Wiesenthal Center, are attempting to closely monitor hate speech on the Internet. The Wiesenthal Center, Eaton said, now focuses up to 80 percent of its research activity on the worldwide linkage of computer networks where cheap, unfettered and often anonymous global discourse points up both the blessings and curses of free speech. Black said he oversees an e-mail discussion group with 380 subscribers and an electronic mailing list for 1,200 people. But since March of 1995 he says his web site has been visited by thousands more. ``What we've done is begin to break that monopoly'' of the mainstream media, said Black. ``Anyone, of course, can set up a Web page, and in our case we've been pretty successful at it as far as the traffic we've gotten.'' ``Up to now, you had a guy like Don Black . . . sitting there and basically playing at being a Nazi when the lights are out. Now all of a sudden there is a double sense of empowerment: Their message, theoretically, gets out to hundreds of thousands or millions of people . . . and they're in touch with each other instantaneously,'' said Mark Weitzman, director of the Wiesenthal Center's Task Force Against Hate. Groups serious about using violence are not likely to be using the relatively insecure Internet to communicate, several experts said. Eaton said he had not previously heard the names of any of those arrested this week as part of an alleged plot by the Viper Militia in Arizona to bomb buildings in Phoenix. Were the Vipers on the Internet? ``Nope, I can't find 'em,'' said Richard Bash of Portland, Oregon, who maintains an electronic mailing list for the academic discussion of terrorism, and is writing a doctoral dissertation about militias. Most extremist-group members are ``blowhards'' who migrated from such innocuous activities as ``bowling leagues.'' Rarely, he said, do they pose a threat to society. Weitzman said, however, that increasing electronic communication among these extremists could be inspiring more to violence. ``With the arrests in Arizona, you see more people willing to go to the extreme,'' he said. ``As the communications increase between them, there is a sense: We have this link, we can start doing something about society.'' He said impressionable young people are the propaganda targets of many extremist groups. ``They see the Internet as an incredible recruiting tool. It is wide open for kids and, essentially, the younger the better, because they can get them before they develop all the intellectual resources to combat what they're saying,'' Weitzman said. ``Organizations have recruited through Stormfront, and through their Web pages that we've linked to,'' said Black. Some experts say that the nature of the Internet makes it difficult to stumble upon extremist material without looking for it. But Eaton contests that. He pointed out that a Web search for the term ``Talmud'' on the Infoseek service turns up a page from Stormfront titled ``The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed,'' in the top 10 of 353 references. In another search, the first and third of 415 references found for the word, ``Auschwitz,'' were links to the Web site of an organization that denies the Holocaust took place. And an online essay by white supremacist Milton Kleim Jr., 25, of Roseville, Minn., urges a campaign by ``cyber guerrillas'' to proselytize in the Internet discussion groups called Usenet news groups: ``Usenet offers enormous opportunity for the Aryan Resistance to disseminate our message to the unaware and the ignorant . . . We MUST move out beyond our present domain, and take up positions on `mainstream' groups.'' In his paper titled ``An Examination of Hate Speech, Censorship and the First Amendment on the Internet,'' presented in March to a Las Vegas conference on American popular culture, Fleming and co-author Torey Lightcap said, ``The Internet is accused of not only giving hate groups an uncontrolled platform but also legitimizing them.'' But the paper concludes that ``like the non-electronic world, citizens of cyberspace will probably have to live with hate speech as one of its liabilities in order to enjoy the wide range of benefits the Internet offers.'' Cyberspace libertarians severely criticized the Wiesenthal Center earlier this year when it sent thousands of letters to Internet service providers asking them to deny Web space to hate groups. Eaton said he was disappointed that barely a score of providers responded. ``We would like to see providers say, `This stuff is crap, and we're not going to put it on,''' he said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To: Multiple recipients of the Stormfront-L Mailing List Host: Don Black <dblack(a)mail.stormfront.org> Finger for PGP public key. Post to 'Stormfront-L(a)stormfront.org' with 'SF:' prepending the subject. To unsubscribe, send e-mail to 'Listserv(a)stormfront.org' with the line 'unsubscribe Stormfront-L' in the message BODY, not the subject. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Processed with Listserv v2.92 for Wildcat v4

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InfoTrends ISTrends - Issue 55 (fwd)
by P. J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anybody know what this is about? I noticed it in the current issue of Information Society Trends. Thanks. Happy Independence Day USA! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:00:49 +0200 From: ISPO Administrator <root(a)www.ispo.cec.be> To: istrends(a)www.ispo.cec.be Subject: InfoTrends ISTrends - Issue 55 Information Society Trends Issue number: 55 - (13.6.96 - 27.6.96) [big piece snipped out here] TECHNOLOGY The Japanese Ministry of International trade and Industry (MITI) is planning the launch in 1997 in collaboration with Japanese electronics and computer firms of trials for an electronic certification system which would be used for the transmission of formal documents as well as to provide a high level of security for electronic commerce. [more stuff snipped out here] __________________________________________________________________________ DGXIII - The content of "Information Society Trends" does not necessarily reflect the European Commission's views. Also available electronically: http:/www.ispo.cec.be/ispo/press.html E-mail subscription: Majordomo(a)www.ispo.cec.be; enter SUBSCRIBE ISTRENDS + your e-mail address

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Re: Net and Terrorism.
by vinnie moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since this has become terror-punks I guess I should throw my e$.02 into the fray. I have to agree with the entity that call himself snow that one of the reasons that you don't see so much civil induced terrorism in the US, (as oposed to terrorism the Feds do) is because there is so many channels for free speach here. This helps to vent and depresurize the situations. There is little need for organizations to underground, since most things can (or used to be) be better done out in the open. In fact you will attract less governement attention that way. Take Greedpiece (typo) GreenPeace for instance, they are able to perform thier forms of terrorism very overtly, same for Anti-Abortionists. Sometimes I am astounded by the lack common sense that government officials display. Bill Klinton and his media budies (Ted Copulate etc) are the best recruiters for Militia groups, After the OKC bombing, his accusations of Militia involvement pissed off so many middle of the roaders that memberships showed a marked increase. Thanks to Sen Fineswine, Semi-Auto purchases had a record year in California. (does she have stock in Norinco?) There is no conspiricy on the governements part, just plain stupidity. >Then why do you float ideas such as buying out the Soviet arsenal if you >think it isn't possible? actually I know of an individual who did just that: he bought out an DDR arsenal, and flew it into Ohio on a Soviet transport. Scared the shit out of the ATC working the airport that day. Result: large supply of Soviet SKS, Moisan-Naggant and AK's for gunshops, just in time for the Fineswine blue light special. he made big bucks. >however, we will probably > see that again in parts of the world as many cultures do not have the >basic > respect for life we do. the first time you witness a small child begging > for chocolate exploded by a remote control pressed by her father, you > understand --you do not necessarily like it, it's just survival. > and faced with a decision of giving up 'n' "friendlies" for 1000n, or even > more, to survive, I know where I stood, and still stand Yes it does have a way of changing the way you look at the world. I only wish the clowns in office who make the decisions that the grunts guarding the embassies should have empty mags, could see any of this shit. War does suck, and suck in a big way, and when your there, and I don't mean watching it on CNN, you ARE in a world of hurt. > if the U.S does adopt the police state tactics Bubba > is espousing, the U.S. will be faced with _real_ terror, not staged > incidents to justify the martial law, etc. Roger that, an I for one don't want to see that war fought on US soil. This is the part that scares me the most. So my point is, the more the government inflates a non existant problem, the bigger the problem gets. The part that really bothers me is that too many times these are all diversion from important issues. The American people seem to be on a steady diet of OJ and CNN, when the war, the real war that will shape the future gets no media coverage. Things like education, and economic strategy are just not sexy enough for TV. >However, you will never be able to buy out the religious terrorists > --they are on a "mission." I was always taught They have nothing left to lose..make em happy and send em to Allah (or whatever) as quickly as you can. >There is no cure for the "revolutionary" terrorists .. > If we do not even print their obit, there is no glory! Tim, you are asking for the liberal media to act responsibly.. what were you thinking? speaking of liberal media, I have lost all creditibility with my Bostonian friends this week trying to tell em about the feature I saw in the San Jose TV news, where some animal expert actually suggested admininstrating tranquilizers to the family poodle in preparation for 4th of July festivities..something do with fireworks. OK maybe in Santa Cruz the animals (at least the ones downtown) are already on tranquilizers. But who wants a dog that can't deal with loud noises anyways, he'd be useless for huntin. But what do I know.. I just practice law Samoan style. Vinnie Moscaritolo ------------------ "friends come and friends go..but enemies accumulate." http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A

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Re:What remains to be done: keeping info free
by Sherry Mayo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hal Finney writes.. > From: Black Unicorn <unicorn(a)schloss.li> > > A. Methods to run secure websites on insecure servers. > > [...] > > A software solution which permits local decryption makes traffic analysis > > less useful, presents the opportunity to use front end and disposable www > > pages on domestic ISPs while imposing no liability on the ISP itself, and > > opens several more effective traffic analysis deterants. > I don't quite understand what is being proposed here. If the > information on the web site is encrypted, who is supposed to be able to > decrypt it? Just one person, or some select group of people? My If the objective is to keep information available then check out Ross Andersons "eternity service" proposal (http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk:80/users/rja14/#Lib) which outlines a "highly distributed, resilient and anonymous file store. Once a document is published on it, the courts will simply not be able to find and delete all the copies" Sherry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMdyPeOFu4n6w1qeBAQF4igP/bhD22woqB8W2kglF6r6Z4rdUVDzGrXk4 N9Iav/KnUtAlmWb/yItHg9+uwAPRtomkTeOZye5UcmJzYI8WERyBYi5Y4OghA48a vo9C/Qo4znljc2J3+J1nWuuDp1khSVB/b+B1/r2zqN/Uv7YvwkF9cext/bf8XV/G uxPJz0DvSLE= =jiix -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Word lists for passphrases
by AwakenToMe＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-07-04 16:37:24 EDT, fair(a)clock.org (Erik E. Fair) writes: >You could just snarf up a week's worth of netnews... > > Erik > > > There are many out there. And I doubt the net would have anything like Antidisestablishmentarianism heheh I believe it was an 8 meg wordlist I got off the net. Just use the good ole search utils!!

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Mix for PC: Mixmaster Remailer FAQ
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Frequently Asked Questions about Mixmaster Remailers FAQ Verson 1.8 July 4 1996 by Lance Cottrell This document is a semi-technical discussion of Mixmaster remailers. I wrote this to answer questions often asked by new users of Mixmaster, and to explain why you would want to use Mixmaster remailers. ***Announcements*** 4 July 1996: Mixmaster for Dos and Windows is now available! I am pleased to announce the release of Mixmaster 2.0.3 It contains many bug fixes, and a much improved Makefile which makes compiling a snap! ***What is Mixmaster?*** Mixmaster is a new class of anonymous remailers. Inspired by the existing "cypherpunk" remailers and discussions on the Cypherpunk mailing list (cypherpunks(a)toad.com) Mixmaster is the next generation in the evolution of remailer technology. ***What is an anonymous remailer?*** Quoting from Andre Bacard's remailer FAQ: An anonymous remailer (also called an "anonymous server") is a free computer service that privatizes your e-mail. A remailer allows you to send electronic mail to a Usenet news group or to a person without the recipient knowing your name or your e-mail address. For a non-technical introduction to remailers (not including Mixmaster), I recommend Andre's FAQ. It is posted regularly to: alt.privacy alt.privacy.anon-server alt.anonymous or you can get it by sending mail to: To: abacard(a)well.com Subject: Help1 Message: [Ignored] There is also a version on the World Wide Web at <http://www.well.com/user/abacard/remail.html>. ***What do I need to use Mixmaster remailers?*** Unlike other remailers, you can't just make your own message and send it to the remailer. Mixmaster's security comes in part from using a special message format. The disadvantage of this is that you need a special program to make the message for you. Once you have that program (the client) remailing is as easy as running the program, and telling it which remailers you want to use. ***How do I get the Mixmaster client software?*** There are two sites for distribution. The first is at my site <http://www.obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html/>, or ftp to ftp.obscura.com and read /pub/remail/README.no-export</A>. The other is by anonymous ftp to jpunix.com. You will have to follow the instructions there to get Mixmaster. Because Mixmaster contains cryptography, it may not be exported from the U.S and Canada. The reason for the circuitous route to download Mixmaster is to show my good faith efforts to keep Mixmaster from being exported. I understand that Mixmaster may be available in Europe from ftp://utopia.hacktic.nl/pub/replay/pub/remailer ***How do I get the software to run a Mixmaster remailer?*** The remailer software is available from the same sites as the client. ***But I only see one Mixmaster distribution?*** The same program is used for both the client and the remailer. The only difference is in the installation. For the client you just compile it and you are ready to go. For the remailer, you need to set up mail forwarding and cron jobs. ***What kinds of computers does Mixmaster run on?*** Unfortunately, not PCs or Macs. But it is being ported to those right now. Mixmaster runs under UNIX. The only machine it is known not to work on is Dec Alpha. It has been tested on Linux, FreeBSD, SunOS 4.1.3, Solaris, and several others. It has been compiled and tested on Netcom. If you use it on a machine or service not on this list, please let me know so I can add it. ***How does Mixmaster work, and why should I use it?*** You should use Mixmaster if you want the highest level of anonymity available, or if your are tired of building remailer messages your self. A discussion of how Mixmaster provides this level of security is beyond the scope of this FAQ, but I put an essay on the subject on my home page. <http://www.obscura.com/~loki/remailer/remailer-essay.html> ***Does Mixmaster use PGP?*** No, Mixmaster uses the rsaref package from RSA. Mixmaster uses its own keys and key file formats. To add a key to a key ring, simply append the key to your key file using your favorite text editor. ***Can Mixmaster post to News?*** Yes, like older remailers some Mixmaster remailers can post to news. Also like older remailers, not all Mixmaster remailers can post to news. Request the remailer's help file to check if it supports posting. Do this by sending mail to the remailer with the subject line remailer-help ***When Was Mixmaster Released?*** Mixmaster was originally released on an experimental basis in late 1994. There were only ever two remailers running Mixmaster 1.0. Mixmaster 2.0 was released on May 3, 1995. There are now 18 publicly available Mixmaster remailers. ***What is the latest version of Mixmaster?*** Version 2.0.3 for Dos and Windows was released July 4 1996. Version 2.0.3 was released on Nov 27, 1995. This version uses a new Makefile, which makes compiling it a snap. Several bugs were also fixed, and some esoteric functions added. Version 2.0.2 was released on Sept 22, 1995. Mixmaster remailers can now accept messages containing multiple Mixmaster packets. Mixmaster can be told to choose a random set of remailers to chain your message through. It will now route multiple packet messages over independant chains. Several minor bugs were fixed. Version 2.0.1 was released on May 27, 1995. The only changes from 2.0 are some improvements in the documentation, and the inclusion of a more up to date list of remailers. ***What remailers run Mixmaster?*** The most recent list of remailers is available on my homepage, <http://www.obscura.com/Welcome.html#list-files> along with the remailer list and key file for Mixmaster. You can simply replace your current type2.list and pubring.mix files with these. They are also available from <http://www.jpunix.com>. My list is simply a mirror of the one on Jpunix, which is maintained (through much hard work) by John Perry. <P> Please send any questions you think should be here to: loki(a)obscura.com. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMdxm51Vkk3dax7hlAQGfwgP9FediBro7gdVMMjCffWToLyhr6HUagxSI qcHhQU4jL1EWdebMwR6wqUBWuxDgrAsrSRT4WhftfSxTtCHCiSk9yXqg7HlRVPkx VQ+7SCF5/gnTE3a/rvj+EbH2hjBdRZWLEOdOnv+Ej00rhCB4A9T2ASQjpcZZB1iT zT+cSIlW3go= =qKtd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Computer-Aided Revolution
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> I've thought of an application for a "revolutionary" program for peaceful >> protest, but one that requires that a substantial number (1000) of people >> have access to computer time synchronized to 1 second, ideally 0.1 second. >> How good would a time sync over the net typically be? Well, in Europe you could just buy a 40$ hardware (DCF-77 receiver) which syncs with the standardized broadcasted atomic clock. you could sync the stations every second with an accuracy of better than 10^-3 secs, like a GPS, only much cheaper. (although, you wouldn't know you geographic location ;-) ----------< fate favors the prepared mind >---------- Remo Pini Fon 1: +41 1 350 28 82 mailto:rp@rpini.com Fon 2: +41 1 465 31 90 http://www.rpini.com/remopini/ Fax: +41 1 350 28 84 --------< words are what reality is made of >--------

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