December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Fwd: Re: Class III InfoWar
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Sun, 02 Jun 96 18:04:15 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: Class III InfoWar > On 2 Jun 1996 03:06:14 pdt, hal9001(a)panix.com wrote: >At 21:33 -0400 6/1/96, winn(a)Infowar.Com wrote: > > >>The article discussed the advanced information warfare techniques used by the >>perpetrators. "According to the American National Security Agency (NSA), they >>have penetrated computer systems using 'logic bombs' (coded devices that >>can be >>remotely detonated) > >Unless the definition has changed recently, a "logic bomb" is normally a >piece of code in a program that is triggered when a specific event occurs >(such as the programmer's name not appearing in a payroll file for a >designated period of time [which might trigger a salami round off routine >to start cutting checks 2 months after s/he is no longer working for the >company]). I believe that is what they were referring to. However, the press garbled it as usual. It seems like the original was something like 'logic bombs' (bits of code that can be triggered remotely). Probably sounded more impressive the reporter's way... This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: forged addresses
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 29 May 1996 19:38:16 pdt, nobody(a)nowher.com wrote: >Hi, I'm not sure if there was ever a thread on this, but I was wondering if >anyone can determine your real email address, if you were to fake it to your >email client. > >I hope that this doesn't offend anyone, since this is a high traffic list, but >I was wondering if this would work. To try it out, I setup my client to think >I was someone else, and sent myself an email. I could only figure out what >ISP it came from. > >What I would like to know is, can any of the experts on this list determine my >address from the header of this post?? I didn't receive anything except your nobody@... address. >again, if this is something that I shouldn't have done, just let me know, and >it won't happen again. > Hmmm... I'm going to have to play around with this. I can get outbound email access through my school district's mailserver simply by filling in the appropriate fields in netscape (we have a WAN hooked up to a T1). It would seem to me that this would be rather secure for several reasons, if for no other than that NO logging is made... In a large district, like mine (probably 10-15 thousand potential users), I doubt they would have the resources to track any of the 100 or so Internet machines on my campus alone, even if they could tell it came from here. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: INteresting tidbit
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On the Encryption note, and I swear not along the lines of the 'DOJ' >and 'FBI Snooping' Big-Brother events, I heard another story recently. > ># begin story > >A person working on the MBONE project did an unannounced experiment >across the internet using Triple-DES for MBONE, and the very next day, >'ATF' agents knocked on his door and warned him against exporting >munitions. The experimentor was shaken by the fact that agents >approached him so quickly after the experiment. > ># end story > >Extrapolations of fact: > 1. Internet traffic is monitored. > 2. The ability to snoop for encrypted traffic is present > 3. The ability to identify encryption levels is present > (How else can they differentiate DES-1 from DES-3?) > 4. The ability to crack DES-1 in near real-time mode is present. > (See above). First, this has been loosely confirmed for ages. Someone was mentioning that FBI offices supposedly have software that (on a 486) can crack a DES-1 key in under an hour. Multiply * modern high capacity computers = problem. However, this does not nessesarily follow from #3. First off, you could probably tell the encryption used from a file format; the software on the other end has to know what it's getting. Secondly, you could probably tell quite a lot about what was used by some intense analysis. Finally, if their software cannot read it and analysis suggested it was more than DES-1 then they might go after someone w/o being able to read the document in question. > 5. If above=true, then Feds dropping the Zimmerman PGP case probably > also points to it also being crackable in a similar manner. Not necessarily. This freemen issue shows that the FBI is getting gunshy about bad publicity, which they were getting. > 6. Using encryption only flags traffic for capture and decryption, > using strong encryption makes you all that more interesting. Sounds like the old argument for encrypting everything... >Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll try not to start a threads about >electro-plasma propulsion craft at Area 51, metallic-ceramic skin >and pulse-jets on the Aurora spy plane, heat-imaging video cameras >on satellites and planes that can watch you through your houses' roof, >etc. :) What??? Now you're going to tell us X-Files is just a TV show? <g> This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:54 PM 6/6/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >(There may be cases people can dig up where some newspaper or newsletter >was "shut down," but I think such cases would be hard to find in the last >several decades. Am I wrong on this?) Not newspapers but a number of radio stations of course. Licensure. Even under CDA, we are not subject to license, however. Though I wonder how the FCC will behave as TV stations join the radio and "radio" stations that are already netcasting beyond its control. DCF

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Fwd: Re: [crypto] crypto-protocols for trading card gam
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "ogren(a)concentric.net" <ogren(a)concentric.net> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 02:30:30 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: [crypto] crypto-protocols for trading card gam > >Disadvantages: > >The entire integrity of the system relies on the security of the >game company's key pair. If the secret key is comprimised, either by >Cards are not transferrable. In order to make cards transferrable the >game company must be able to invalidate cards which have been traded >to others. In other words if Alice wants to give a cards to Bob she >must: I would just have multiple validators w/separate keys. sign w/each. This would not eliminate the problem but could reduce it... >1. Contact the game company and tell them she wants to give the card >to Bob. 2. The game company must issue a new card to Bob with a new >serial number and with Bob's public key rather than Alice's. 3. The >game company must invalidate Alice's old card. Since there is no way >that the game company can make sure all copies of the card have been >destroyed it must create a "invalid serial number list" and have the >players dial into that list everytime the game is played. > >Since step 3 is so costly to implement, I think it is unlikely that a >cryptography-based trading card game will have tradable cards. Much easier - with each card, store its ownership history. EACH time it is transfered, have it be signed by the previous owner. Originally, the game company signs it as a valid card. On selling it, they record the purchaser's identity (email address, etc)and seal the card with the company key (or set of keys - see above). Repeat as needed. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Fwd: Re: Idea 'bout banning the internet
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "jwilk(a)iglou.com" <jwilk(a)iglou.com> >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 20:36:49 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: Idea 'bout banning the internet > On 3 Jun 1996 19:48:48 pdt, jwilk(a)iglou.com wrote: >What if in the future a country banned the internet and all things that had >to deal with it (ie- telnet, irc). It would be the "underground" thing. >Just a thought, it would really suck! As I think about it it is impossible >or is it???? Hell the usa cant even ban porn let alone the whole thing. They >could ban it like they did fizzies. Hey there making a comeback did you here >now they have nutrasweet in them. If you know what fizzies are than your >pretty kewl. I'm only 13 and love then they are the drink of the future!!!! > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Gaa- 3.69 ><jwilk(a)iglou.com> Record- 2-4-4 >Age- 13 Final Standings- 2nd Place (Beat in Championship) > >President & Founder: > >Revolution Software "I have the fastest glove in the east!" >Profanity Software "Hackers never stop hacking they just get caught" >VSoft > >My life- Rarely eat or sleep, Hack til' 7:00a, goto school, play goalie >til' 8:00p, hack til' 7:00a >Hank Aaron- d:-)!-< Pope- +<:-) Santa Claus- *<:-) The Unabrower |:-) > >Current Girlfriend(s)- Lindsey Wilcox, Laura Schubring > >Personal Quote- Mr Plow, thats my name, that name aguin is Mr. Plow >-Homer Simpson >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > You know, even counting the header, your signature is longer than the message... BTW, I doubt most of us care about your current love life or soccer standings. We won't even mention Homer Simpson... This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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RISKS: YAJSH
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reposted from RISKS: Yet Another Java Security Hole: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 07:46:20 +0000 (BST) From: David Hopwood <david.hopwood(a)lady-margaret-hall.oxford.ac.uk> Subject: Another Java attack There is another serious security bug in the class loading code for all currently available Java browsers: Netscape up to versions 2.02 and 3.0beta4 (except Windows 3.x) Oracle PowerBrowser for Win32 HotJava 1.0beta 'appletviewer' from the Java Development Kit up to version 1.0.2 Sun, Netscape, and Oracle have been sent details of the problem (which is partly related to the ClassLoader attack found by Drew Dean, et al. in March). The attack works by exploiting a design flaw in the mechanism that separates JVM classes into different namespaces. Using this bug, an attacker can bypass all of Java's security restrictions. This includes reading and writing files, and executing native code on the client with the same permissions as the user of the browser. The only way to avoid this problem at the moment is to disable Java. For more details see http://ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk/~david/java/bugs/ Technical details will be posted when Sun, Netscape, and Oracle release patches. David Hopwood david.hopwood(a)lmh.ox.ac.uk http://ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk/~david/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:15:46 -0700 From: mrm(a)doppio.Eng.Sun.COM (Marianne Mueller) Subject: Another Java attack David Hopwood, a Java researcher in the UK, has uncovered a new security bug in Java [RISKS-18.18]. In simple terms, he has been able to manipulate the way objects are assigned and the way they collaborate, in order to undermine the applet security manager. Hopwood contacted JavaSoft directly re: the bug, and we have had a team working on a fix for the past 72 hours. In addition, we are applying Hopwood's model to conduct a security review, to determine if there are other bugs that may apply. We are currently thoroughly testing the fix, and plan to release a patch as soon as possible. As we complete more testing of the fix, a more detailed description of the bug and the fix will be added to the JavaSoft security FAQ at http://java.sun.com/sfaq/. JavaSoft is grateful for the internet security community's active interest in reviewing our code and we welcome feedback that makes Java better technology. ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | Technology (n): | | A substitute for adulthood. stevenw(a)best.com | Popular with middle-aged men.

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Fwd: [Fwd: Welcome!]
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "Jerry Kuhn" <jerry.kuhn(a)f0.n206.z1.fidonet.org>, > "Gary Orthuber" <nccorthu(a)rain.org> >Date: Tue, 28 May 96 00:01:11 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.DS3KHZ138764=_=_=_" >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Welcome!] > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Message-ID: <1082295506(a)bbs.io-online.com> >From: adamsc(a)io-online.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zzzz408284d220bc8563io-online.cozzzz" >To: Adamsc >Date: 28 May 1996 12:31:14 pdt >Subject: [Fwd: Welcome!] > This message has been generated solely to deliver this file attachment. This file attachment was originally included in another message, which had multiple file attachments. This message was automatically generated. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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INFO: Discuss crypto with Sen. Burns online the night before hearings!
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

============================================================================= ____ _ _ _ / ___|_ __ _ _ _ __ | |_ ___ | \ | | _____ _____ | | | '__| | | | '_ \| __/ _ \ _____| \| |/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| | |___| | | |_| | |_) | || (_) |_____| |\ | __/\ V V /\__ \ \____|_| \__, | .__/ \__\___/ |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/ |___/|_| CRYPTO HEARINGS (S.1726) SET FOR 6/12/96 IN WASHINGTON D.C. MEET AND SPEAK TO SENATOR BURNS ON HOTWIRED THE NIGHT BEFORE! SEN. CONRAD BURNS (R-MT) SCHEDULED FOR HOTWIRED CHAT 6/11/96 10-11PM EST Date: June 7, 1996 URL:http://www.crypto.com/ crypto-news(a)panix.com If you redistribute this, please do so in its entirety, with the banner intact. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents News Press Release on Hearings How to receive crypto-news Press contacts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWS In what is becoming the newest way for Congress to read the net.community's opinion on issues, Senator Conrad Burns will be on HotWired on June 11th @ 10pm EST to discuss the encryption issue with all attendees. The next day, Senator Burns will be coordinating a day of hearings on the encryption issues with industry luminaries. Never before has the public had this much access to legislators without geographical proximity. Cheaper than teleconferencing, and more direct and unfiltered than the traditional press, online chats allow the public to directly question and hear the answers of Congress. Have a question about encryption policy that you've never been able to find out from the government? Come to the HotWired chat and ask Senator Burns to be your advocate, to press the witnesses and the White House on these issues. The online chat is on June 11 at 10pm EST, the night before the hearings HotWired's WiredSide chat is at (http://www.hotwired.com/wiredside) Information on Senator Burns' legislation is available at http://www.crypto.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS RELEASE ON HEARINGS Senator Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) WEB SITE http://www.senate.gov/~burns/ For immediate release: Contact: Matt Raymond Thursday, June 6, 1996 (202) 224-8150 Randall Popelka (202) 224-6137 First Pro-CODE Hearing Slated Burns' Subcommittee to Hear High-Profile Executives, Witnesses WASHINGTON, D.C. _ Montana Senator Conrad Burns today announced the first of two Senate hearings on S. 1726, the Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era Act of 1996, or "Pro-CODE." The hearing will take place in the Commerce Subcommittee on Science, Technology and Space, of which Burns is chairman. The hearing is scheduled Wednesday, June 12, at 9:30 a.m. in room 253 of the Russell Senate Office Building. Scheduled to testify are: Michael Zisman, president and CEO of Lotus; Jim Barksdale, president and CEO of Netscape Communications; Jim Bidzos, president and CEO of RSA Data Security; Tim Krauskopf, V.P. and co-founder of Spyglass Inc.; Kenneth Dam, chairman of the National Research Council; Douglas J. McGowan, director of the SmartCard Alliance for Hewlett-Packard; Computer Systems Policy Project representative (invited); Joe Holmes, chief technology officer for EDS; Joel S. Lisker, senior V.P. for security and risk management at MasterCard; Danne Buchanan, president of Zion's Data Services Company; Jack Valenti, executive director of the Motion Picture Association of America; Aharon Friedman, chairman, founder and chief technical officer of Digital Secured Networks Technology Inc.; Steve Case, president and CEO of America Online (invited); and Robert Bigomy, senior V.P. and director of strategic marketing, government and space technology group, for Motorola. Burns said the focus of the hearing is on commerce and business issues. He said a second hearing, which will focus on privacy, law enforcement and national security issues, is scheduled in his subcommittee on June 26. The bipartisan Pro-CODE bill would ease export restrictions on computer security, or "encryption," for software and hardware. It would also prohibit mandatory systems in which users or companies would have to place a code-breaking "key" in the hands of a third party. # # # ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO RECEIVE CRYPTO-NEWS To subscribe to crypto-news, sign up from our WWW page (http://www.crypto.com) or send mail to majordomo(a)panix.com with "subscribe crypto-news" in the body of the message. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS CONTACT INFORMATION Press inquiries on Crypto-News should be directed to Shabbir J. Safdar (VTW) at +1.718.596.2851 or shabbir(a)vtw.org Jonah Seiger (CDT) at +1.202.637.9800 or jseiger(a)cdt.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- End crypto-news =============================================================================

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Thank you for the Archives 100 messages
by qut4.qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apologies, but rich has deleted me from his mailboxes, and for a few days now, somebody has placed a global cancel bot on me. I'm gonna have plenty of fun figuring this out. Kwow any good sniffers? I agree the list should be public usenet: A mail gate-way to a usenet group that ALSO permits unmoderated posts. This would be a nice way to combine a strict moderated mail-list, with a standard netnews group.

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