December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Anonymous stock trades.
by hallam＠Etna.ai.mit.edu 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

>I suppose it depends on what you call "open", eh, Phill? >If by "open", you mean financial markets where, as Milton Freedman says, >each new regulation raises the cost of entry and protects the surviving >firms by killing their smaller competion with red tape, then we have "open" >markets. Well, Milton Friedman's method for saving the whale is to leave it to the free market, if people want whales in the oceans they won't buy whale meat. The point that even if no US person eats whale, a few thousand "gourmets" in Japan can eat their way through the remaining stocks of many species in a few years escapes him. So forgive me if if find you authority somewhat less than compelling. Adam Smith makes the point rather better in his analysis of monopolies and how they affect the market. But remember that although regulations may be instituted as protectionist mechanisms that is not the only purpose that regulations are introduced. >If by "open", you mean that people can't purchase the attention of their >favorite politician fair and square, without having to play zero-sum games >with barnyard animals, then we have "open" markets. ;-). There are so many negatives in that sentence I can't figure out which way you are arguing. Certainly there are many senators, congressman etc who can be bought for a contribution to their election fund or a huge advance on their memoirs. >Nothing personal, Phill, but it does seem like it's more a question of what >you're afraid of, than what *is*, right? No, it is a case of whether you are applying ideological judgements or prepared to analyse the system itself. I do not believe in the idol of the free market. I do not consider ecconomists to have justified the level of inane self-satisfied certainty about their field that they exude. I was talking to a professor at the Sloane school yesterday who made precisely this point. Deciding what is right implies an ethical judgement. Are you basing your argument on Kantian or consequentialist assumptions? I can argue either but since most of my thesis is based on a logical positivist approach I'm far more sympathetic to the utilitarian point of view. The free market is not in itself an ethical basis - that would be creating an ought from an is. The problem which libertarian idelogues are affraid to face up to is that markets have required regulation to keep them open and free. Its all very well for people to jump up and down, stampt their feet and claim the opposite but this is what every government in the free world believes. The effects of deregulation in the savings and loans area make it unlikely any further experiments in that area will be tried for a while. Phill

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Re: Norton Eyes only
by minow＠apple.com 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

> >Has anyone been able to analyse the 'patent pending', 'on-the-fly' >encryption in Norton's 'For your eyes only'? > Why bother? If it's freely exportable, we have a good estimate of it's cryptographic strength :-) Martin.

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Re: ID this 31173 NCR keyboard
by Bill Stewart 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Does it have any identifying numbers? NCR OEMed a line of ADDS Viewpoint terminals for a while, and while the numbers no longer come to mind (unless they're like 2920), they might look familiar if I saw them. This keyboard sample doesn't look quite like them, though. Most of their keyboards like that were for terminals, not for PCs. Are the connectors even PC-like? Also, if there are function keys through F20, it might very well be a 3270-emulator of some sort. At 01:52 PM 6/6/96 -0700, you wrote: >Oops. I wrote that just looking at the keyboard. >Picked it up at Seattle's Ex-Pc for $3. >It's so old, I think it requires a non-PC BIOS. >No manual, labels etc. > >Anyone have a clue as to what this is: > >NCR > >F1 F2 [...] F18 F19 F20/RESET| >ESC [...] TAB |[five direction keys] >CONTROL Q [...] }/] CONTROL |CLR 7 8 9 / >CAPS_LOCK A [...] ~/` |NEW | - 4 5 6 * >[up] |/\ Z [...] [upup] |LINE | + 1 2 3 |NEW > [space] | 0_ 00 . |LINE > >It was designed for easily customizing your keytable, >being an actual flat terminal with square keys easily >pulled out and interchanged. > >The back of the keyboard has three switches for >the boolean selection of languages: US English, >UK/Int. English, French, German, Swedish/Finnish, >Danish/Norwegian, Spanish, Italian. > >So, where to get a NEW keyboard like this: > >FLAT, with a full set of SQUARE, EASILY pulled out keys. > > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Rescind Authority!

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Re: Cost of brute force decryption
by Bill Stewart 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

At 02:44 PM 6/5/96 -0700, you wrote: >> > "For example a 40-bit key takes about $10,000 worth of supercomputer >> > time and two weeks to crack. Although this key may be adequate to >> > protect my checking account, it's probably not large enough for the >> > accounts of a major corporation. >> The figures look familiar. No references around. I'm not sure it would >> require a whole two weeks for 40-bits, though. Possibly less than a >> day? (Or was that why you asked baout the figures?) It was from The Newspapers, of course :-) The "$10,000 of supercomputer time" was in an initial press release description by somebody in Netscape or RSA after the RC4/40 Netscape crack, and was way high. (Check Altavista...) However, it's not too far off for the cost of a DES crack, where "supercomputer" is defined as "a special-purpose cracking machine" rather than "a Cray".. (Maybe an order of magnitude high for that.) And the description of $10,000 as "maybe enough to protect my checking account, but not large enough for the accounts of a major corporation" is about right. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Rescind Authority!

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Re: Class III InfoWar
by Chris Adams 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

On 2 Jun 1996 03:06:14 pdt, hal9001(a)panix.com wrote: >At 21:33 -0400 6/1/96, winn(a)Infowar.Com wrote: > > >>The article discussed the advanced information warfare techniques used by the >>perpetrators. "According to the American National Security Agency (NSA), they >>have penetrated computer systems using 'logic bombs' (coded devices that >>can be >>remotely detonated) > >Unless the definition has changed recently, a "logic bomb" is normally a >piece of code in a program that is triggered when a specific event occurs >(such as the programmer's name not appearing in a payroll file for a >designated period of time [which might trigger a salami round off routine >to start cutting checks 2 months after s/he is no longer working for the >company]). I believe that is what they were referring to. However, the press garbled it as usual. It seems like the original was something like 'logic bombs' (bits of code that can be triggered remotely). Probably sounded more impressive the reporter's way... This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Fwd: Second email address
by Chris Adams 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "sysop(a)io-online.com" <sysop(a)io-online.com> >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 96 19:50:50 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Second email address > How much would it be to get a second email address? (Just POP access. Doesn't even need to be able to send mail) That way I could have an address to send stuff like mailing lists to. Also: Web pages - I believe I saw something that mentioned that some space was included w/the subscription. How much, and how do I access it? This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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MEETING: SF Bay area Cypherpunks meeting for June 8th
by Hugh Daniel 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

What: Monthly meeting of San Francisco area Cypherpunks & Stanford PGP Club When: Saturday June 8th 12:00 noon Where: Turing Auditorium, Stanford University (Directions below) Dinner: Fanny & Alexander's 412 Emerson, Palo Alto, +1 415 326 7183 Topics: Random, PGP Keys siging, More on Crypto GUI's, Random. Directions: If you have a GPS receiver, head for 37.4296875N 122.1783752E. If you have excellent hearing, call 415-853-9080 and follow the ringing. Or, get to Stanford's Campus Drive via 280-Sand Hill or 101-El Camino Real-Embarcadero. From 280, take Campus Drive left (clockwise). From 101, take Campus Drive right (counterclockwise). Turn South (centripetal) at Panama Street and take an immediate left into the Jordan Quad parking lot (empty on weekends). Walk between Pine and Redwood Halls to Polya. Turing is between Polya and Cypress. It doesn't appear on most campus maps, but it's there, honest. Entrance to Turing Auditorium is by the Pac Bell payphone sign. Maps: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/Transportation/PGrid4.html (parking) http://www.stanford.edu/gifs/campus.1620-63-4.gif (800K campus map) http://www.stanford.edu/home/visitors/vicinity.html (note: upside down!) Socialized transportation: CalTrain to the Palo Alto station; 20-minute walk or arrange to be picked up by a local. 7F bus. See http://www.stanford.edu/group/Transportation/ Notes: The short notice is my fault, I was hoping to get some folks to talk at the meeting and waited far too long to give up on them. Thanks: Much thanks to Rich Graves and the Stanford PGP Club for the wonderful meeting space.

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Re: WWW servers.
by Bill Stewart 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

Black Unicorn: >> Does there currently exist a system which permits webservers to restrict >> access to clients who have a given certification? Sameer: > Yup. .... > =) Stronghold: The Apache-SSL-US, coupled with XCert >Sentry. What else? Of course, there's a simpler approach; restrict access to people who have logins and passwords, and only give those to people who have the certification... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Rescind Authority!

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Fwd: Re: INteresting tidbit
by Chris Adams 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Wed, 29 May 96 22:36:17 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: INteresting tidbit > >On the Encryption note, and I swear not along the lines of the 'DOJ' >and 'FBI Snooping' Big-Brother events, I heard another story recently. > ># begin story > >A person working on the MBONE project did an unannounced experiment >across the internet using Triple-DES for MBONE, and the very next day, >'ATF' agents knocked on his door and warned him against exporting >munitions. The experimentor was shaken by the fact that agents >approached him so quickly after the experiment. > ># end story > >Extrapolations of fact: > 1. Internet traffic is monitored. > 2. The ability to snoop for encrypted traffic is present > 3. The ability to identify encryption levels is present > (How else can they differentiate DES-1 from DES-3?) > 4. The ability to crack DES-1 in near real-time mode is present. > (See above). First, this has been loosely confirmed for ages. Someone was mentioning that FBI offices supposedly have software that (on a 486) can crack a DES-1 key in under an hour. Multiply * modern high capacity computers = problem. However, this does not nessesarily follow from #3. First off, you could probably tell the encryption used from a file format; the software on the other end has to know what it's getting. Secondly, you could probably tell quite a lot about what was used by some intense analysis. Finally, if their software cannot read it and analysis suggested it was more than DES-1 then they might go after someone w/o being able to read the document in question. > 5. If above=true, then Feds dropping the Zimmerman PGP case probably > also points to it also being crackable in a similar manner. Not necessarily. This freemen issue shows that the FBI is getting gunshy about bad publicity, which they were getting. > 6. Using encryption only flags traffic for capture and decryption, > using strong encryption makes you all that more interesting. Sounds like the old argument for encrypting everything... >Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll try not to start a threads about >electro-plasma propulsion craft at Area 51, metallic-ceramic skin >and pulse-jets on the Aurora spy plane, heat-imaging video cameras >on satellites and planes that can watch you through your houses' roof, >etc. :) What??? Now you're going to tell us X-Files is just a TV show? <g> This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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Fwd: Re: forged addresses
by Chris Adams 18 Dec '03

18 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:32:54 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: forged addresses > On 29 May 1996 19:38:16 pdt, nobody(a)nowher.com wrote: >Hi, I'm not sure if there was ever a thread on this, but I was wondering if >anyone can determine your real email address, if you were to fake it to your >email client. > >I hope that this doesn't offend anyone, since this is a high traffic list, but >I was wondering if this would work. To try it out, I setup my client to think >I was someone else, and sent myself an email. I could only figure out what >ISP it came from. > >What I would like to know is, can any of the experts on this list determine my >address from the header of this post?? I didn't receive anything except your nobody@... address. >again, if this is something that I shouldn't have done, just let me know, and >it won't happen again. > Hmmm... I'm going to have to play around with this. I can get outbound email access through my school district's mailserver simply by filling in the appropriate fields in netscape (we have a WAN hooked up to a T1). It would seem to me that this would be rather secure for several reasons, if for no other than that NO logging is made... In a large district, like mine (probably 10-15 thousand potential users), I doubt they would have the resources to track any of the 100 or so Internet machines on my campus alone, even if they could tell it came from here. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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