December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09.59 PM 6/1/96 -0400, Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> wrote: >I'm afraid that some courts have explicitly held that "the child does not >have a right to liberty but only a right to custody." That is old law, >however. Kids have lost many rights recently too including gun rights, etc. I've known for a while that I have no rights as a minor. [ironic smilie] >Of course curfew laws only control the inarticulate and scruffy. Well >dressed children (coat and tie for the boys dress or suit for the girls) who I'll wear a suit if it means I won't get picked up ... :) >can claim that they are out doing tons of protected things like work and >school and worship and political campaigning and "trying to save street >children for Jesus" will not be picked up. They can also say things like >"Ossifer, I'm peaceably assembling to petition the government for redress of >grievances. It's in the First Amendment. You could read about it and >everything." You suggest that we minors stand up for ourselves? How odd. I'm sure no one has ever thought of that before, President Clinton especially. Since any nationally imposed curfew wouldn't have a leg to stand on in the first place, this can only improve the situation. >Home schooled children face this problem frequently and can usually find >something to say. Kids older than 15 or so can claim to be "emancipated >minors." Parents can emancipate their children by signing a simple >declaration to back up this claim. A good idea in any case. This sounds interesting. What are the particulars of being an emancipated minor? >"Whose children never got stopped by cops because at 14 they passed for 21. >Clothing and bearing alone can do it." I wish I were so lucky. At 15 I seem to pass for ... 12. I guess if the cops read from right to left ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. - --- "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." ----- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbNsyxguzHDTdpL5AQGvfwP/f2PDE5JPiczwY/5EFt/ziT9UePbcxCV0 UCbYdkbl9hoNlMphUu+O+zneGntCVOIiEoPZLTpK35TYFgA/MCOQhuiCYnvbInMo pZlmnTvyoUI1rkHTUzf2cHRg1+18ieJqDDqBqBb58ZxaLxxJ1crUDrL+QHC/QZE9 mAiLT9tnwgc= =/+GV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

list cypherpunks

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The problem with encryption, period.
by nelson＠crynwr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The problem with encryption is that 1) it takes effort, and so 2) you must have a non-empty threat model. With (2), you have to trust that you're really encrypting, which takes 3) a certain sense of paranoia. For most people, all three are lacking, which is why proposals like s/mime are succeeding. One button, no security, encryption. -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | It's no mistake to err on Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | the side of freedom.

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Re:
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:46 AM 6/4/96, qut(a)netcom.com wrote: >ncr terminals are the most 31173 D0Dz Kenneth, what is the frequency? Kenneth, what is the frequency? --John Hinckley, First Disciple of AP

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Re: Why PGP isn't so ubiquitous (was NRC Session Hiss)
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3 Jun 96 at 11:27, Bruce Baugh wrote: > Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 11:27:33 -0700 > At 04:33 AM 6/3/96 +0000, Deranged Mutant wrote: > > >In part because it's not well integrated with mailers. That could > >change with a PGP3 DLL. > > I have a growing feeling that PGP 3 is never going to happen. Or that if it I'm soft-of having that feeling too. Or what's going to happen is that enough people will get impatient and international versions will start to appear. > does, it will happen only after the passage of more draconian anti-privacy > laws, and the guys working on it will be forced to include sundry backdoor > stuff or drop it altogether. More likely drop it altogether, or be openly admit they were forced to include GAK (people will want the source, anyway). > I suspect someone could do quite nicely by going ahead and developing a > 2.6.2 or 2.6.3 DLL. There's been talk. But just talk. Rob. --- No-frills sig. Befriend my mail filter by sending a message with the subject "send help" Key-ID: 5D3F2E99 1996/04/22 wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com (root@magneto) AB1F4831 1993/05/10 Deranged Mutant <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a message with the subject "send pgp-key" for a copy of my key.

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Re: Multiple Remailers at a site?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I don't think multiple remailers at the same site help anything. Assume Alice, Bob, and Carol are on abc.com and Xenu, Yak, and Zut are on xyz.com. Remailing between Alice, Bob, and Carol doesn't make appear to make much difference, but it does reduce the damage if one of the remailer's keys is compromised. On the other hand, mail from Alice -> Xenu -> Bob -> Yak -> Carol -> Zut adds traffic to the system, and makes traffic analysis more difficult, even if the Bad Guys are watching site abc.com and have stolen Alice, Bob, and Carol's keys. The other threat it helps with is that if XYZ.COM gets complaints about that evil user Zut, she can kick her off (Bad Zut!) and still leave Xenu and Yak alone; if the remailer service were provided by the machine owner herself she might be directly liable. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Rescind Authority!

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Internet solution for law enforcement
by caal＠hopf.dnai.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone seen this yet? Looks like it's two weeks old. Internet Police! >[BizWire] 5/20/96 > > (SUN/PSI-INTL)(SUNW) PSI International, Sun partner, unveils Java- > based Internet solution for law enforcement agencies; "Internet in > Blue" Police Internet/Intranet Application Suite Available in July > 1996 > > Business Editors/Computer Writers > > Highlights: > -- Internet in Blue, one of the first Java-based solutions aimed > at fighting crime, is being introduced by PSI International, a > strategic partner of Sun Microsystems Federal, and includes other > Sun products. > > -- Internet in Blue combines the power of Java and Netra servers > to enable law enforcement agencies and police departments to quickly > leverage the capabilities of the Internet and intranets. > > -- This solution is the latest evidence of Sun taking advantage > of the significant market opportunity for crime prevention > technology. Last year, Sun Federal announced a dedicated Criminal > Justice Operation, which is working with police departments and law > enforcement agencies around the world to help them use technology in > fighting crime. > > MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- May 20, 1996--One of > the first Sun(TM) Java(TM)-based solutions aimed at fighting crime > was introduced today by PSI International, a strategic partner of > Sun Microsystems Federal, a subsidiary of Sun Microsystems, Inc. > > Called Internet in Blue(TM), the solution combines the power of > Sun's Java technology, its Netra(TM) Internet servers, its Java > WorkShop(TM) development tools, and PSI's relational database > software. This solution fully leverages the capabilities of the > Internet for the benefit of law enforcement agencies because of the > inclusion of Java, the revolutionary Internet platform from Sun that > makes possible fast, easy, operating-system-independent use of the > Internet. > > To be offered by PSI, Internet in Blue will enable police > departments and other law enforcement agencies to leverage the > latest Internet technology to fight crime and promote citizen > involvement and community-based policing. From a citizen's > perspective, having a local police force with an Internet presence > gives people the opportunity to report problems online and play a > more active role in fighting crime in their neighborhoods. > > Besides utilizing the Internet, the PSI solution also allows > local police to build an "intranet," which is a greatly enhanced > internal information network to handle departmental processes as > well as to speedily access any internal database of interest. > Examples of these databases include local crime data such as > patterns of crimes, gang affiliations, data on previous suspects and > arrests. Currently, many police departments must locate such data > via a paper trail, which is very inefficient. > > "Law enforcement agencies are quickly realizing the power of the > Internet and intranets as strategic tools in fighting crime," said > John Marselle, president of Sun Microsystems Federal. "The Internet > in Blue solution from PSI -- based on Sun technology -- takes > advantage of Java's security features, platform independence and > database access capabilities. It should make it much easier for > police departments and other criminal justice organizations to get > online and to leverage the capabilities of the network." > > With Java WorkShop, a visual development environment for Java > that can be included as part of the Internet in Blue solution, > police departments can design, test, deploy and maintain Internet > and intranet applications based on Java with speed and simplicity. > Java WorkShop runs on the Sun Solaris(TM) environment and Windows > 95/NT. Using Java, the PSIBase relational database management > system can access Web browsers across any hardware platform. > > "The Internet is the next frontier in the development of law > enforcement information systems," said Paul Wormeli, program > director for law enforcement at PSI. "Our Internet in Blue solution > will enable law enforcement agencies to quickly exploit the latest > technologies like Java." > > Internet in Blue includes the following: > > A starter kit with a Sun Netra Internet server and PSI software > and services needed to set up a site on the World Wide Web, as well > as technical assistance from PSI for developing content and training > for a Webmaster. > > A full set of applications to create a police intranet providing > secure internal access to selected crime information, standard > operating police procedures and other infrastructure services. > > An interactive, community-based communications medium to > facilitate crime reporting over the Internet and community-based > policing. > > Suggestions for services that law enforcement agencies can > develop in order to offset the cost of the Internet project, such as > providing online crime reports and accident report information to > authorized outside organizations including legal firms and insurance > companies. -0- > > The Internet in Blue product will be available in July, 1996. > Pricing will vary depending on customer needs. > > PSI International, Inc. has provided systems integration and > services for over 14 years to federal, state and local governments. > The company specializes in law enforcement and public safety > solutions, consulting services, and integration of software and > hardware. With a staff of over 250 professionals in the information > system and services industry, PSI has a team of people that have > both technical and industry knowledge of public safety and justice > applications, including computer aided dispatch, records and > investigative management, imaging, telecommunications, and mobile > computing. > > Sun Microsystems Federal, Inc., headquartered in Vienna, > Virginia, is a subsidiary of Sun Microsystems, Inc. Sun Federal's > charter is to develop, deliver and sustain markets for Sun products > in governments worldwide. > > With annual revenues of $6 billion, Sun Microsystems, Inc., > provides solutions that enable customers to build and maintain open > network computing environments. Widely recognized as a proponent of > open standards, the company is involved in the design, manufacture > and sale of products, technologies and services for commercial and > technical computing. Sun's SPARC(TM) workstations, multiprocessing > servers, SPARC microprocessors, Solaris(Tm) operating software and > ISO-certified service organization each rank No. 1 in the UNIX(TM) > industry. Founded in 1982, Sun is headquartered in Mountain View, > Calif., and employs more than 16,000 people worldwide. -0- > > Note to Editors: Sun, the Sun logo, Sun Microsystems, Java, Java > Workshop, Netra and Solaris are trademarks or registered trademarks > of Sun Microsystems, Inc. in the United States and in other > countries. All SPARC trademarks are used under license and are > trademarks or registered trademarks of SPARC International, Inc. in > the United States and other countries. Products bearing SPARC > trademarks are based upon an architecture developed by Sun > Microsystems, Inc. UNIX is a registered trademark in the United > States and other countries exclusively licensed through X/Open > Company, Ltd. > > Internet in Blue is a trademark of PSI, International and is > properly written in boldface italics, all lower case. > > Press announcements and other information about Sun Microsystems > are available on the Internet via the World Wide Web using a tool > such as Netscape or NCSA Mosaic. Type http://www.sun.com at the URL > prompt. > > --30--css/sf* > > CONTACT: Burson-Marsteller (for Sun) > Jane Rauckhorst, 212/614-4880 > or > PSI International > Martha Hill, 703/352-8700 > > KEYWORD: CALIFORNIA > INDUSTRY KEYWORD: COMPUTERS/ELECTRONICS COMED > INTERACTIVE/MULTIMEDIA/INTERNET PRODUCT GOVERNMENT > > REPEATS: New York 212-752-9600 or 800-221-2462; Boston 617-236-4266 > or 800-225-2030; SF 415-986-4422 or 800-227-0845; LA 310-820-9473 BW > URL: http://www.businesswire.com >

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Re: You're a Twit! [ ] [And, a jackass]
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The message with headers below has been received and set aside for careful > handling by carbon-based units. Thank you so much for your contribution to > global understanding. > > Love, > Rich's Twit Acknowledger > > >From qut(a)netcom.com Thu Jun 6 14:34:48 1996 > Received: from boron.Stanford.EDU (boron.Stanford.EDU [36.56.0.10]) by Networking.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA20426 for <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:48 -0700 > Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (qut(a)netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by boron.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16925 for <llurch(a)stanford.edu>; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:45 -0700 (PDT) > Received: (from qut@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) > id OAA12280; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:46 -0700 > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:34:46 -0700 > From: qut(a)netcom.com (harman.david) > Message-Id: <199606062134.OAA12280(a)netcom2.netcom.com> > To: llurch(a)stanford.edu Oh, did I miss the Cypherpunk announcment or something? Do I care? Isn't cypherpunking rather elitist? Isn't elitism a signatory of worthless knowledge? Hey, look at me, I'm elite! -- Love, Qut(a)netcom.com

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Re: Anonymous stock trades.
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu writes: > >He's a Cato fellow. I don't think that implies anything more than > >he he gets some money from them. > > Nope, he is listed in "senior staff". He's listed in the staff section, but he's clearly labeled as a fellow. P.J. O'Rourke is also listed in the same column as a fellow. I suppose he's working at Cato full time and only moonlights at Rolling Stone. The fact that neither of them lives within striking distance of Cato headquarters (O'Rourke lives in New Hampshire) makes your claim ever more interesting. > I'm working on digital signature systems under a DARPA contract. We shall therefore have to declare you to be a U.S. Government employee. .pm

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Fwd: Re: Clipper III analysis
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 16:51:18 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Fwd: Re: Clipper III analysis > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >From: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >To: "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> >Date: Thu, 30 May 96 01:16:32 >Reply-To: "Chris Adams" <adamsc(a)io-online.com> >Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: PMMail 1.5 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Subject: Re: Clipper III analysis > On 29 May 1996 14:53:30 pdt, tcmay(a)got.net wrote: >> A good Questioned Document Examiner will be able to demonstrate >> that the signed document in question was not authored by Joe >> Blow, even if it contains his digital signature. > >I was of course talking about digital signatures, not handwritten signatures. > >I would be very interested to hear how a "Questioned Document Examiner" can >possibly determine that a digital signature was not applied by a particular >person. I believe he was referring to document analysis. By closely comparing a questionable work with those of known authorship, a skilled analyst can hopefully find enough [dis]similarities to say whether a document was authored by a given person. This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== /* From Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> on a Warped PC running a proudly unregistered (for now) PMMAIL 1.5! The Enigman Group - We do Web Pages! */ This Message Was Sent With An UNREGISTERED Version Of PMMail. Please Encourage Its Author To Register Their Copy Of PMMail. For More Information About PMMail And SouthSide Software's Other Products, Contact http://www.southsoft.com.

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