December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: LACC: proposed anti-pseudospoofing law in Georgia
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:18 AM 5/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >Can you please post the text of the bill? It was posted to cyberia-l on April 19th, among other dates, by Mike Godwin, titled "Georgia's amazing new internet law". Use altavista to find it. It's probably on www.eff.org also. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com, +1-415-442-2215 # goodtimes signature virus innoculation

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Re: PICS & CyberAngels
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"declan+(a)CMU.EDU" "Declan B. McCullagh" 4-MAY-1996 12:28:04.26 >Indeed. Under SafeSurf, I've rated the fight-censorship mailing list >archive site as suitable for all ages, which I believe it is, though the >CyberAngels think otherwise. I wonder what will happen now? SafeSurf is >supposedly sending me "an end-user license agreement" to sign... I believe this is another case, like that of the SafeSurf dislike of the mention of illegal drugs in any but the standard PDFA (sp?) manner, in which the Guardian Angels' politics are coming through. They may claim to be anti-CDA, but given their harrassment of various sexually-oriented businesses ("cleaning up Times Square" et al) their real opinions seem to be showing through. They'd make themselves even more unpopular if they were honest about it, of course. I have no doubt that, if the CDA is upheld (God forbid), they'll be secretly reporting violations to the DOJ. They already appear to have a policy of reporting allegedly "obscene" material. -Allen P.S. Feel free, anyone, to forward this (and my other stuff on the CyberAngels) to them. I'd like to see their defense, unless they're going to admit they don't have any.

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Gemplus' Crypto Cards
by Ben 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyoneknow anything about the Gemplus Smart Card systems? Specifically: http://www.gemplus.com/gpr400.html They claim that they're secure and can do things like 40Mbits/second in a PCMCIA form factor for Digital signatures and other uses. Thanks! Ben.

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Re: the cost of untracability?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"frantz(a)netcom.com" 13-APR-1996 01:00:57.74 >At 7:42 PM 4/12/96 -0400, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >> Another method would be for ecash to have a label on it as to when >>the issuer would redeem it. Until then, if you want cash from it, find >>someone else to trade to. ... >And if you are using a "first to clear gets the money" system like >Digicash, the holders can race to see who gets the money. What I had in mind is that the bank would still process the ecash if you sent it to them - for an equal quantity of ecash with the same label. If you want to convert it into a normal bank account or other ecash, you have to send it to the bank at the time of labeling, or trade it to someone else. If you trade it to someone else, they will want to send it to the bank to change it for more ecash _before_ sending you your compensation. Admittedly, all this then gets into the standard digital receipt, etcetera problems. -Allen

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Re: A MODEST PROPOSAL (fwd)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com" "Bill Stewart" 13-APR-1996 02:38:40.77 >>From: "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)mbcl.rutgers.edu> >> In other words, majordomo is broken. I should have suspected as much, >No, it's not broken, it just interacts badly with anon.penet.fi. >Of the two of them, majordomo is doing the obvious unsurprising thing, >while anon.penet.fi needs a bit more complicated support because of >difficulties with its implication and the workarounds it uses. >Somebody did comment that they modified majordomo to handle this, >but presumably vanilla majordomo can at least pattern-match block an######, >and if it can't, you can always pre-process with egrep or sed. The reason I say majordomo is broken is that it shows up with the address of the original sender, not the address of the list, as the From address. Other mailing list software does not do this. -Allen

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Re: Kid Gloves or Megaphones
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"shamrock(a)netcom.com" 21-MAR-1996 21:29:06.87 >It is true that the issuer is unable to discover that double blinding is >being used. The real problem with the protocol is that it requires >payor/payee collusion, which may make it difficult to execute. Can the payee discover that the payor isn't colluding before the bank can figure out who the payee is? -Allen

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Re: [Political Rant] Was: examples of mandatory content rating?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"hal9001(a)panix.com" "Robert A. Rosenberg" 15-APR-1996 03:46:01.05 >At 18:52 4/14/96, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: >>I'm not sure if the major use for ratings may not be searching for >>material that the raters don't like. I'd be interested in many things the >>fundys don't like, for instance. One could even do this via one of the >>"services" that mails out listings of places to be locked from kids - just >>sign up one of your anonymous employees, and get the data and put it on your >>anonymous web access site. Doing so - if you don't admit you've done it - may >>be cheaper than doing the research yourself. Of course, you'll need to check >>out each such site to make sure that it isn't a decoy that they've inserted. >When you do the checking, make sure it is from an IPN that does not point >back at you (or at least only points to a Server Supplied not a Dedicated >IPN). You might also want to watch out for "Canary Trap" Decoys (where each >list has an unique set of Decoys [or at least one unique Decoy] so they can >tell which copy was compromised). I'm assuming that the Decoy is a "valid" >[possibly virtual] domain address which is being logged. The way to get around the second problem is to sign up with such a "service" twice, then filter out anything not appearing on both. Since at least some of the parental censorship "services" have customization for the parent, doing more than one would also be a means to pick up more specific evaluations of the sites in question. -Allen

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Re: Smartcards are coming to the US
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"shamrock(a)netcom.com" 21-APR-1996 21:08:17.34 >At 15:15 4/21/96, Brad Dolan wrote: >>Saw a CNN story Friday about an interesting special debit card >>application in Mexico. They're being issued to poor Mexicans, who can >>use them to buy tortillas and a few other foodstuffs. The cards are tied to >>a behavior-control database and failure to send kids to school, get >>mandatory medical exams/treatments/vaccinations, etc. results in card >>deactivation. >My first response was: he is making this up. But it shoudn't come as a >surprise to any reader of this list. Expect to see more of it. Ever read _The Bell Curve_? -Allen

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by Fredric_Olsson＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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They are obtaining information that will not only help them with this business venture but others as well. They also are obtaining the rights to reproduce the reports. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! ------------------------------------Testimonials:-------------------------- --------- "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. (It is a good idea to purchase bulk email lists, which generally cost around $35.00 for 100,000 names. Or you can start out the way I did, simply mailing out a few hundred to acquaintances and people who post to newsgroups.) 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SVENSKAR, LÄS!!! Skicka 40 SKR (2x20) istället för 5dollarsedlar för enkelhetens skull. Vem vill gå och växla 10000 femdollar sedlar??? Glöm inte e-mail adressen i brevet med sedlarna så du får dina reports! Ha ett bra liv!

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Re: Bank transactions on Internet
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"watt(a)sware.com" "Charles Watt" 16-APR-1996 13:06:06.52 >First, the U.S. banking system is very nice to account holders. The banks, >rather than the customers, assume all risk associated with security problems >in telephone banking, ATMs, etc... Internet banking is no different, which >explains why so few banks have jumped onto the net with real transactions. >If an SFNB customer should lose any funds due to a security problem, SFNB >pays, not the customer. That would depend on whether the customer can prove a security problem, because otherwise you're going to get a lot of con artists making a lot of money off of you. >Second, in order to break the SSL-protected password of an SFNB account >holder, you need access to the encrypted data. This is not easy to obtain >over the Internet, and would generally require illegal activity in order >to gain control of a host within the Internet infrastructure or collusion >with the account holder. Should an attacker crack the key and obtain >the account number and password of an SFNB account holder, they are clearly >warned upon login that they are engaging in illegal activity. Once they One, ever heard of a packet sniffer? If the account holder is on an Intranet, then someone within it could easily get such information. Two, somehow I suspect that the penalties for computer breakins are significantly less than those for bank fraud/grand theft; they aren't going to matter if you're willing to take the risk. >have logged in, there is no way to transfer money out of the account >without leaving a target address and phone number for the recipient. >Furthermore, any payment to an individual or unknown entity would be >made in the form of a physical check that would have to be cashed at >a physical bank. The whole process is heavily audited with real-time >audit filtering and pattern matching capabilities -- SFNB is, afterall, >running on a military grade secure operating system (see SWP at >www.secureware.com) Any security system that is deployed should be >compared against the value you are trying to protect. It seems like a >pretty big risk to an attacker -- and I assure you SFNB will prosecute. Target address and phone number? Make fake ID, get yourself a PO box and a telephone forwarding/answering service (giving the PO box as the address), then target it there. Use the fake ID at a check-cashing place. You can make the fake ID in whatever name you want, which makes it easier. >Finally, I whole-heartedly agree that 40-bit encryption is far too weak >for many applications, and that the current export limitations are absurd. I'm glad you realize that. I've edited out what look to be improvements, which I hope for your stockholders' sake you've implemented. -Allen

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