December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by kreidl＠newrock.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by agil.home＠mail.telepac.pt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Bad news from Judge Richey
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:35 PM 4/4/96 EST, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote: >"E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU> writes: >> Umm... one would guess that a federal judge would be against the >> whole Assasination Politics idea, whether or not he himself became a target. > >It's worth noting that one of the new newsgroups that Rich Graves mentioned is: >talk.politics.assassination Assassination Politics >My congratulations to Jim Bell on getting his own newsgroup! Hey, it's news to me! I'll have to check it out... BTW, are you sure it's not an old one? After all, there have been enough assassination conspiracy theory discussions (Lincoln, Huey Long, JFK, RFK, King, etc) over the decades that I'm sure they'd merit a discussion area. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: So, what crypto legislation (if any) is necessary?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: jim bell <jimbell(a)pacifier.com> >Far more acceptable (and useful to us) would be a rule which would mandate >the government's allowing the export of any program that had, say, the key >security provided by IDEA or less, regardless of what it did with that >encryption. (Not that I want _any_ restrictions; it's just that such a >limit would make it impractically large to attempt to crack.) As I pointed out earlier, one way (that would cause the NSA types problems trying to stop) would be to make legal for export anything which was no harder for the NSA to break than what's already out of the country. -Allen

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by agil.home＠mail.telepac.pt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Bad news from Judge Richey
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: tcmay(a)got.net (Timothy C. May) >At 3:28 AM 3/26/96, jim bell wrote: >>I realize that this may appear to be a rather disrespectful tactic, but have >>you considered reminding the judge that if you are not allowed to profit by >>exporting encryption that the government doesn't want to see exported, >>you'll just have to make money in some other way, and this may lead you to >>talk to Jim Bell about implementing a program using encryption that doesn't >>_need_ to be exported...legally anyway. >Whoahh! Hold on there, Jimbo! You're crossing the line. >You're coming perilously close to actually calling for the killing of a >federal judge. My recollection is that a couple of folks have been arrested >and charged for calling for the killing of judges. Umm... one would guess that a federal judge would be against the whole Assasination Politics idea, whether or not he himself became a target. I doubt that pointing AP out would do any good... but one can point out to a judge that, say, a mugger might mug him next without being threatening. -Allen

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Re: Note: Problems Confronting the Asset Concealer [Part 1 of 2 ofVolume I]
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A very interesting essay, although I haven't had time to read over it in full (3 papers and an oral presentation due). I do have one question, and it concerns the introduction. You state that you are leaving out material that is currently in use - i.e., some of the most useful material. Why? I know that you don't currently have a fully anonymous nym... but if that was the reason, why not just release it under a fully anonymous nym? Mistrust of the remailers, or what? -Allen

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Re: So, what crypto legislation (if any) is necessary?
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been doing some thinking about the whole key escrow retrieval matter. There are a couple of situations in which I can see real reasons for doing voluntary key escrow of sensitive material: A. You're afraid of losing the key. B. Your organization is afraid that you'll lose the key or be unavailable. The second can be handled internally via key sharing; if all the people you share the key with have as much to lose by the information getting out as you do, then they should be trustworthy and as hard to subpoena as you are. Encrypting the shared section with another, appropriate key should take care of the cop-stealing problem (i.e., they break into the machine). The first is more of a problem. If where you've entrusted your keys is known, then the cops can come in and strong-arm/subpoena your keys away. Thus, the basic protection mechanism should be denying them that knowledge. (Another protection mechanism is key sharing between key escrow organizations.) In other words, anonymous remailers with stable nyms for the key escrow organizations, together with fully anonymous digital cash. One problem in this is how the organization's reputation originally is established so people will deal with them so they can get a reputation.... etcetera. The basic method of doing so appears to be to post a digital cash bond. (I don't know the mathematics well enough to tell whether one could post verifiable digital cash with it still not being usable without a decryption step. If one can't, that's a real problem... but I suspect that one can.) The encryption on such a bond should be put into the hands of a group of above-ground "judges" via secret sharing, who would be a group of people chosen by the key escrow organization in hopes of their being trusted to resolve any disputes. Of course, digital receipts would be a big help here... -Allen

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A new law in the making?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:24:08 -0500 (EST) > From: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU> > Subject: FC: CDA Court Challenge: Update #4 > > The court wasn't happy with Boe's response. It gave Shea and the > government until April 17 to decide to include the entire record of > the Philly lawsuit -- and said that if they don't, the court would > appoint its *own* computer expert to demo the Net and blocking > software on April 30. This is a great idea if carried a little farther. Require courts in cases using technical or otherwise special evidence to appoint an indipendant expert to compare compare with the defence and prosecution experts. > litigators who do their homework." (Of course, Taylor conveniently has > deluded himself into believing the CDA is constitutional.) Are *any* of the current legal actions involved using either the 9th or 10th Amendment in their case? > We're back in court on 4/12, 4/15, and possibly 4/26. Good luck! Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: unsubscrive * Peter.Posch@koeln.netsurf.de
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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