December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Sad state of affairs
by bofur＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's a pretty sad statement of how poorly this list is functioning when the RC2 source can be publically released but people would rather sling mud over glorified keystroke trappers and rant about Nazi deathcamps. Our friends at the NSA must be pleased with the slow death of this group. Sadly, Bofur. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bofur bofur(a)alpha.c2.org PGP available from PGP key servers Key fingerprint = 81 0C 8F 88 0A 4F 67 3F ED 52 DE 3C 55 34 26 25

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Re: Opinion piece in NYT; responses needed
by andreas＠horten.artcom.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "Rich" == Rich Graves <llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu> writes: Rich> Is DT going to block TCP port 80 and UDP ports 7000-7029 Rich> from every machine in the world? We'll see. I told the Admin of dfn.de nicely that his routing seems to be broken. If he responds with pointing to the Zuendel site, I'll send him the other URLs and ask him to stop routing to these sites as well. Andreas P.S.: I need some fodder. Anyone else mirroring the site? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAgUBMQ3XXUyjTSyISdw9AQEvgQP+MyHBlF7JmcIBHEceFCxECnyMbuPHBnPa MvoHGdLZwIxWmEpa8YwTHb06mQ5J3oO2AiWNWLgw480krWGV10R8bhMIOBP51Htz 7Odl6S1S1NLtxE/yyzkSH4D4AukFT4BrMviPWVDGnArGwS8XioTyyxhYC4JKyjfu ahrCdu9nha8= =SWyn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Politics of Mistrust
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:31 1/28/96, John Young wrote: > > While not directly related to technical crypto, a number > of findings parallel discussions here about the diminution > of personal and economic security. Samples: My personal reason for mistrusting the Government is that it uses Coercive Power to steal money from me (via "taxes" such as FICA) claiming that I am buying Benefits for myself such as SS and Medicare yet it does not meet the obligation to supply these services under the promised terms when I need/want them. If SS and Medicare were run by a private company and operated the way the Government changes the rules, all of Top Management would be in Prison for Fraud (and a number of other charges). Any Benefits program that the Government uses its coercive power to force me to join and pay for should be REQUIRED to maintain the terms in place when the payments were collected (ie: There should be no unilateral alteration of the terms by the Government). The ONLY program that I can think of where this has even partly occurred is with IRAs (all payments prior to year X are treated under the original tax rules while payments into an IRA after that date have a new tax status). All other programs are subject to rules modification (ie: reductions of promised/paid-for Benefits) or Congress defunding at a moments notice.

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Re: [rant] A thought on filters and the V-Chip
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:38 PM 1/26/96 -0800, Rich Graves wrote: >On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, jim bell wrote: >> On the other hand, this would be an EXCELLENT "argument" to bring in front >> of a Congressional committee considering the adoption of any V-chip type >> proposal. Once they discover that a ratings system could be used for the >> diametrically opposite reasons of their reason for having it in the first >> place, they'll try to modify their proposal to prevent this. >> >> If we're lucky, this'll have the effect of killing the whole concept of >> government-sponsored (required?) V-chip-type technology. >> >> OTOH, I agree with other posters who think that truly voluntary content >> selection would be an excellent addition to television: In effect, an >> automatic, programmable TV-Guide search engine. > >While it's hard to find a general theme here, I think I disagree. What? You mean you LIKE to read TV guide every week, cover to cover, in advance, to scedule your TV viewing habits? >Anyway, >I don't think that even truly voluntary content selection is a good idea, >because it reduces art to numbers, which is wrong. Aw, admit it. You're just still pissed 'cause I called you a f------ statist. <G>> Me, I'd like to be able to tell my "TV-Guide search engine" to: 1. Look for this particular show or movie. 2. Look for this particular star, director, or other participant.. 3. Follow a subject thread, say on the news. 4. etc. Maybe even a more complex (artificially intelligent) agent that "knows" me well enough to anticipate my desires. > lead to a balkanization that diminishes the common >culture. I think it was good the way network TV was limited to the lowest >common denominator, but with variety. People who wanted something with a >little more flavor than WonderBread [tm] were able to find it, but they >did have to look, which often involved *meeting other people* with common >interests, and they still tuned in to Ed Sullivan to see what the Joneses >were watching. Give people 1024 bits' worth of channels to choose from, >classified by arbitrary criteria involving no human contact, and you get >something entirely different. I'm not sure what's happening now, but I >don't think I like it. You're entitled to NOT like it. But I'm equally entitled to use modern technology to sift through 60+ cable channels, or 300+ DSS-type channels.

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Re: Over-reacting?
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:38 PM 1/28/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >At 05:42 PM 1/28/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >>We already have enough traffic here, and don't need replies from a bunch of >>other lists, be they libertarian lists, digital commerce lists, human >>rights lists, or java lists. >> >>The latest example of this is the rantfest invvolving these players: > >I really don't know why I'm being "killed" by May in this way. He cites a >rant by a local (Portland, Oregon) crackpot named "Jack Hammer." I even >took the time to apologize for his existence, while I do claim a certain >lack of responsibility: Basically, I'm being targeted because Hammer can't >stand my essay. (Whether May will even see my apology is in doubt, I >suppose...) While May certainly has the right to "killfile" whomever he >wishes, it might be a bit more logical to do this in a graduated fashion, >"killing" Hammer and then waiting to see if the rest of us follow in his >habits. The reason for the killfiling is your habit of adding multiple additional mailing list into the To: and cc: list. I have seen more than one post where you have added a Libritarian list and the "Democracy Now Channel 2' list into the fray, not to mention other individuals. THAT is why you are getting the golden killfile, not your association with Jack "Acid" Hammer. (Though that may help...) The only individual I have killfiled (so far) is Dr. Fred. (At least on mailing lists. Usenet is another matter...) Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ Is the operating system half NT or half full?

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NOISE: Borenstein's Fatal Spam (Was: Plonk, Dr. Fred)
by P.J. Ponder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please don't try to make sensible replies to this type of tar-baby garbage. What's the point in arguing with someone who only wants you to argue with them and make sure you spell their name right? First Virtual, you lost a lot of ground with me. (sounds like others feel the same way, too). ... that sucking sound is your reputation capital being snarfed off your keyboard and encrypted by tempest-bots lurking just under your tinfoil helmet. I'd be worried. The corrupted keyboard buffer of "W. Kinney" <kinney(a)bogart.Colorado.EDU> wrote: . . . > Followed by an hysterical essay on how FV has "discovered" the keyboard > sniffer. Oh, please. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. To which FV's own replied: I trust you've seen by now that we made no claim to have discovered keyboard sniffers. Please read our claims more carefully, and I'd be delighted to discuss them rationally. -- Nathaniel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ delighted to discuss them at all, I would bet. Anyone interested in a discussion of whether or not keyboard sniffers work? a pox on your virtual house for a bad spam, poorly aimed at this list, in particular. NEVER TYPE CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM IN THE TO: LINE

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AOL privacy (not)
by Edgar Swank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

AOL RECORDS USED TO SOLVE MURDER CASE Fairfax County, Va. police recently obtained a search warrant for electronic files relating to participants in an American Online chat room in an effort to solve a murder in New Jersey. The victim had met his alleged assailant through a "men for men" chat room, and investigators say several other chat room participants helped in disposing of the body. One of them, a 24-year-old woman, is now charged with tampering with the evidence. An AOL spokeswoman said that it is the company's policy to comply with subpoenas, and that although it does not keep records from chat rooms, it does keep records of e-mail for five days before they are purged. "We certainly respect and abide by our customers' right to privacy, but we are also going to follow the law. We have 4.5 million customers -- that's the size of a city. When we have some problems, we have to deal with it responsibly." (St. Petersburg Times 28 Jan 96) *************************************************************** EDUPAGE is what you've just finished reading. (Please note that it's "Edupage" and not "EduPage.") To subscribe to Edupage: send a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu and in the body of the message type: subscribe edupage Emmitt Smith (assuming that your name is Emmitt Smith; if it's not, substitute your own name). ... To cancel, send a message to: listproc(a)educom.unc.edu and in the body of the message type: unsubscribe edupage. (Subscription problems? Send mail to educom(a)educom.unc.edu.) -- edgar(a)Garg.Campbell.CA.US (Edgar Swank) The Land of Garg BBS -- +1 408 378-5108

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PGP commercial usage
by Dave Roberts 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have read and reread the documentation that is included with the PGP distribution (although my copy is over a year old now), and am still trying to work out if commercial use of 2.6ui is allowed outside the USA. Could someone elaborate for me, or perhaps point me to some up to date reference documentation. TIA - Dave. Dave Roberts | "Surfing the Internet" is a sad term for sad people. Unix Systems Admin | Get a board, find a beach, surf some REAL waves and SAA Consultants Ltd | get a *real* life. Plymouth, U.K. | -=[For PGP Key, send mail with subject of "get pgp"]=-

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PoM 3: Angry Females
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Today's third article of The Washington Post series on "The Politics of Mistrust" is: "Angry Female Voters a Growing Force." Remember angry white males? Well, hear now from the women. They are more likely than men to have become anxious about the economy and distrustful of govermnent. But what separates men from women in this worried segment of the electorate is that they seem less concerned with their own plight than they are with the economic prospects for their children and their neighbors, including the poor. Next: The anti-government electorate. Series to date available at: http://www.replay.com/young/

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x-app/pgp-encrypted
by gorkab＠sanchez.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know of a web server that uses PGP instead of SSL or STT or whatever is the new acronym of the week for secure web transactions? A server would have its public key available for anyone get. All transactions that need encrypting would be encrypted to the server by using the public key. PGP 3.0's API would make this even easier (or so I've heard). The reverse could also be implemented. By using some identifying characteristic of the user (maybe a user defined name) and the corresponding PGP key, data could be transmitted securely to the user. ---------- Brian Gorka Key fingerprint = ED 7D 78 7E 95 E8 05 01 27 01 A1 74 FA 4B 86 53

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